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amanita disapointment
    #2694298 - 05/18/04 01:53 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

ive never heard of aminita not working in all the experiance ive read. this weekend me and a freind each ate 15 grams of grade a caps from iamshaman. nothing, no effects or side effects? i ate a little and he had a empty stomach. is this possible


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Re: amanita disapointment [Re: AhronZombi]
    #2694436 - 05/18/04 02:31 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

You prolly gonna die soon, Amanitas are not hallucinogenic.


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Re: amanita disapointment [Re: AhronZombi]
    #2694498 - 05/18/04 02:46 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Amanita is a sorry ass shroom that has caused more harm than good...
It isnt even an active


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Re: amanita disapointment [Re: OldSpice]
    #2695045 - 05/18/04 07:16 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Amanita's contain Muscarin(sp?)not psilocybine/psilocin.
Yes,they are a Hallucinagenic.
Yes,they are active.

If I'm wrong,would you please point me in the right direction,cause everything I have read on them state just what I have said.

I just dont understand why you two-Alounacara and Hallucinogen are saying they are not active,could you guy's explain this?


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Re: amanita disapointment [Re: doc34]
    #2695051 - 05/18/04 07:27 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Amanitas are very active, and i can`t see all the "more harm than good" they have caused either. however they arent similar to psilocybe mushrooms in effect and many gets disapointed when eatin amanitas because they expecting something else.

Amanitas contains Muscarin as you say (and Muscimol ++).

This mushroom has been used by shamans in spiritual healing for a long time and it has its powers. but this is maybe not the best choice of mushrooms if your goal is to get toxicated only.


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Re: amanita disapointment [Re: shamantra]
    #2695062 - 05/18/04 07:39 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

No,NO not me,I was just trying to clear that up about them not being active.I know,from what I read,that I have no intentions of taking them anytime soon,or ever.

They just dont seem to pleasing as compared to cubes.But,from what I have read that they are not for the beginner at all.

Me no eat no amanita's!


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Re: amanita disapointment [Re: AhronZombi]
    #2695423 - 05/18/04 11:50 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: amanita disapointment [Re: AhronZombi]
    #2695424 - 05/18/04 11:51 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Your experience with Amanitas is very common.
50%-60% of the people who (i know) try to trip on them for the first time, have little to no effects at all.

From my personal experiences, i believe that it must have something to do with your bodys chemical condition.and/or set & setting.(Asuming that your shrooms are potent of course)

Amanitas gathered at the end of the season are said to induce very light effects as oposed to those gathered at the beggining of the seasn close to summertime.

I think that the only safe way to trip on the king of shrooms , is to collect them yourself.

Another thing i have learned from my last 5 years of experimentation with them, is that the whole hunting experience, is a intro to their trip.

I think that people who want to experiment with it, need to have the magical introduction (which means to carry your ass on the mountains and trip withought even eating them)

Anyone who has seen this shroom in its natural environment knows what i am talking about.The beauty is so shiny and strange, that you trip just by looking at this odd existance.

Sometimes i eat alot, and i dont trip at all. Other times i eat very small doses and i travell to other galaxys. (And i always grind & mix them to ashure i have the same potency always)

From an other aspect, each and every time i have taken them, expecting something from my trip (even waiting for it) something completely different happened.

It is so unexpected, but thats the whole magic in it.It makes you leave all your expectations behind, in order to take the trip.
You need to chace the trip on this one......

It is the most powerfull drug i have ever tried when dosing high enough.
It is one of the best ego-killers out there, best time distortion ever had (time exit) and for shure the best memory destruction ever made by a psychedelic (forgot my name etc.)

The great difference i see as oposed to the Psilocybin trip, is that Psilos, SHOW you the vision thru the visual distortions and colours.sounds etc.... when the king of shrooms takes you by the hand, and MAKES you FEELyou are part of the vision.
there is a huge difference in feeling something after looking at it, and feeling something because you are it.
It connects you to anything you concetrate on. But not in a visionary way. In a complete sober and awaken way.


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Re: amanita disapointment [Re: Sterile]
    #2695430 - 05/18/04 11:55 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Sterile- I have read that to prepare Amanita Muscarias they have to be activated by heat (i.e. in a frying pan or what have you), have you ever tried this method? Also, love the Leary in your signature.


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Re: amanita disapointment [Re: CptnGarden]
    #2695523 - 05/18/04 12:34 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

ShroomieOfDoomie said:
your not gonna die ignore hallucinogen...




I was joking you ass clown, dont get your thongs in a bunch :rolleyes:


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Re: amanita disapointment [Re: McKennaFan200]
    #2696214 - 05/18/04 03:24 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

You guys reminded me of one of my experiences with the king of shrooms, i just wrote it down on the "dream thread" check it out. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat...o=&fpart=13



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Re: amanita disapointment [Re: McKennaFan200]
    #2696276 - 05/18/04 03:36 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Your McKenna sig has made me cry in the past man...

Ok from what i know Amanitas must be heated dry before you consume them in order to convert the delerious iboternic acid into the psychoactive muscimol.

I do this by hanging them next to my fire, where i camp in the forest.
But thats only because i dont have a fireplace to do it like Santa. :laugh:
We had better results when we dried them by hanging them in a kitchen with a fellow shroomerite, and by leaving the oven open overnight.
That way the original colour and shape where preserved.
Those shrooms where the most potent i have ever experienced by the way....hmmmmm...

MJShroomer told me once, that he knew some Shamans dried them just by hanging them somewhere outside.
I find this to be quite strange cos every time i tried to do something like that, either the shrooms rotted, = became hundreds of transparent white worms.

Milder effects where felt when smoked, and a sweet euphoria when made as tea as from my experiences.

I know that some people  (us) find 10x extract that is quite a blast. Anyone know about this???

These guys contain alot of water.The largest i have found was 50cm cap diameter.



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Re: amanita disapointment [Re: AhronZombi]
    #2700009 - 05/19/04 06:33 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

I've heard that the amanita trip is quite different and not nearly as cool as cubes for instance..... but I've just HEARD that so I dunno heh haven't tried them


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Re: amanita disapointment [Re: Strumpling]
    #2700281 - 05/19/04 10:25 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

wont the poison make you neaseous in small dosages and quite sick if you eat plenty of those?


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Re: amanita disapointment [Re: AhronZombi]
    #2700549 - 05/19/04 11:55 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Amanaita Muscaria dose NOT contain muscarine, it contains Muscimol and ibotenic acid.


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Re: amanita disapointment [Re: AhronZombi]
    #2702441 - 05/19/04 07:35 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

I've heard that one of the great dangers of amanitas are in misidentifying another VERY dangerous mushroom for amanitas, so I'd keep that in mind if you want to go shroom hunting.


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Re: amanita disapointment [Re: PoC]
    #2703798 - 05/20/04 01:08 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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PatternOfChaos said:
I?ve heard that one of the great dangers of amanitas are in misidentifying another VERY dangerous mushroom for amanitas, so I?d keep that in mind if you want to go shroom hunting.





What?s the risk of mistaking A. Muscaria for some other Amanita mushroom? I?d guess it?s < 1/100000



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Re: amanita disapointment [Re: Amanita_Muscaria]
    #2705997 - 05/20/04 03:51 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

it's really hard to mistake red muscaria with other amanitas


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Re: amanita disapointment [Re: gdman]
    #2710153 - 05/21/04 08:36 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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amanita Muscaria contains: Muscarine (poison), Muscimol (slightly hallucinogenic), and ibotenic acids (im not sure but probably adds to the hallucinogenics). This mushroom IS active along with amanita Pantherina which has LSD like effects




What the??? DON'T EAT A. PANTHERINA... This is the bastard responsible for most of the deaths caused by eating Amanita mushrooms...


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Re: amanita disapointment [Re: AhronZombi]
    #2711237 - 05/21/04 02:46 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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ive never heard of aminita not working in all the experiance ive read. this weekend me and a freind each ate 15 grams of grade a caps from iamshaman. nothing, no effects or side effects? i ate a little and he had a empty stomach. is this possible




If you decide to have a go at it again try making a tea or soup of some kind. Use this recipe I found on erowid, its worked for me.

1. boil an amount of water you don't mind drinking once it tastes like shit (because it will).
2. add a few crushed up vitamin c pills or lemon juice (this adds acidity to the water all though I am not sure this is neccessary)
3. add your mushies
4. boil for 15 minutes
5. for the last three minutes of boiling add a tea bag to cover up the taste of the shrooms.
6. strain mixture; discard mushies.
7. let cool and add a large amount of sugar.
8. drink it down


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Re: amanita disapointment [Re: ZiggyStardust]
    #2729261 - 05/25/04 09:00 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

I'm new here but was just kind of looking around and decided I wanted to relate my experiance with amanita muscaria which I had just last night. This is not at all like psylocibin mushrooms. This trip is much different. It was both very frightening and very euphoric at once. I was both certain I was going to die and elated because of it. At one point I felt no fear of death and was certain I had accidentally eaten the wrong mushroom because of the effects. I also took the advice to start low on the dose and still got hit with a ton of bricks. They were sun/air dried then made into a tea that was just below boiling. The effects took nearly 2 hours to convince me that I was actually tripping. Then when I thought I had taken too little they surpirsed me and told me I had taken way more than enough. Some of the worst side effects I have ever experianced in an pschoactive substance happened last night. First off was the deceptive nausea, accompanied by cold swet and profuse salivation- he nausea was not as bad as cubensis have been for me at times but more irratating in certain ways. Serious bladder and intestinal irratation- the bladder being the worst part. In fact the need to urinate/irratation was down right painful for a short time. I was also unable to urniate for a little while because of severe muscle twitching/tension that seemed to begin in my groin and later spread though-out my entire body. Once this shaking had migrated away from my groin the bladder irratation subsided and shortly disapeared. Immeadiately following that I began to get severe shakes/shivering. I felt as though my bones were going to snap for a few minutes from the raw tension in my muscles- this is when the effects really changed. I continued to feel the shivering but could calm the effects down if I focused on my breathing. Once I quieted my mind down I realized that I no longer had any fear. I could have made a mistake and eaten a Death Cap (amanita phalloides) and I still didn't care. I also felt extremely hot coming up but now felt very cold and needed to cover myself with heavy winter cloths and blankets. I then had the urge to dance partly out of exstatic euphoria, partly out of irratation. I also began stroking my head and neck to sort of console myself while thoughts of death/life/rebirth/existance/religion rolled around in my head. Soon after that began I felt so euphoric that I would describe it as MDMA X 10. I then felt most of the previous side effects subside and a great joy and interest in the world came over me. At once I realized the pointlessness of my life and at the same time found everything very important and profoundly interesting. This effect lasted until I came to the next stage of wanting to pass out or go to sleep as if I had taken mulitple sleeping medications. This is the most dangerous part of the trip in my oppinion since my breathing was somewhat arrested the entire time. In fact I did find myself being jolted awake by a rush of adrenalin in order to find myself not breathing. During the previous euphoric phase I had very intense closed eye hallucinations that would all but disapear when my eyes were open. These were not the patterns and flowing objects of psylocibin mushrooms but instead a sort of landscape and 3-D shape movement. Some shapes were extrememly specific every day things- others were alien objects. Most if not all had much more organization to them than the fractile chaos of cubensis. Later I passed out and awoke after an unknown amount of time. I had to urinate again and upon standing felt a extreme head rush- nearly strong enough for me to black out. After releaving myself I went back to sleep for another 4-5 hours and woke up tired with a sort of foginess similar to an alcohol hangover. I have done a fairly decent amount of research and read many accounts- my trip was pretty much A-typical and yet I was completely unprepared. The side effects were worth dealing with in some respects for the lessons the trip imparted on me but it wasn't "fun" by any means. I've had way harder trips actually on other substances but this one left me with feelings of awe and respect far beyond anything except maybe salvia divinorum as a close second. Upon further consideration this day after I know I will probably do them again but not for a long, long, long time. I also likend the effects to exactly what the FDA classifys them as- neuro-toxins. Yes they are profound and enlightening. Yes they are hallucinogenic. But they also may have taken my life if the dose was just a bit higher and I fell into a deeper sleep. In that respect they were very similar to a high dose of GHB- with potential for coma, arrested breathing, and an arrested heart. Do not take these lightly. I do consider them a poison which is saying a lot from me since I've tried many other entheogenic plants and never had such a feeling towards the others. It may not leave you with any permament damamge but it may not let you go if you don't respect it and tread lightly.


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Re: amanita disapointment [Re: ZiggyStardust]
    #2731021 - 05/26/04 04:53 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

well i have left overs ill try this thanks homey


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Re: amanita disapointment [Re: AhronZombi]
    #2731215 - 05/26/04 08:29 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

um i would read it after you take some BASIC english lessons and learn how to fu*king use paragraphs!! :laugh:
no hard feelings but i just can't read that!


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Re: amanita disapointment [Re: el_duderino]
    #2735914 - 05/27/04 10:38 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

amanta is a poison all right in larger dosages. I agree with the trend carefully thing. based on your trip report and intense body load with arrested breathing, I will avoid amantas(too risky of OD) shrooms seem much more gentle and psychadelic. also the shroom OD is so high your stomach most likley will rupture first. shrooms do make you feel hot, sweaty, cold and numb and can also make breathing a bit hard in large dosages but I didnt experience any of the effects you did on amantas.


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Re: amanita disapointment [Re: AhronZombi]
    #2735974 - 05/27/04 10:58 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

i wish i had seen this thread earlier, i ordered amantia yesterday (nothin growin here, and they are legal.) the way the shroom wizard told it to me a couple of years ago, these are the strongest shroom trips there is but it is slightly poisonous to humans so you almost definately will at least throw up, then you start to trip balls.

the way i've been lookin at it, the trick would be to not let the nausea make you have a bad trip


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Re: amanita disapointment [Re: prince_toadstool]
    #2736359 - 05/27/04 12:57 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

you should be fine if you start of on a very low dosage, take a bit more at a time and when you feel uncomfortable, thats your maximum dosage right there.


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Re: amanita disapointment [Re: Sterile]
    #3657694 - 01/21/05 10:28 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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I know that some people (us) find 10x extract that is quite a blast. Anyone know about this???





read all the preparations on erowid and they're for whole caps.. how should I prepare 10x powdered extract? Mix with cannabis?
tia


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