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OfflinePatlal
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Ruth Bader Ginsburg just died
    #26942888 - 09/18/20 05:45 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/18/politics/ruth-bader-ginsburg-dead/index.html

Sad news for America.

Do you think Trump will expidite the process of replacing her before the election?


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Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg just died [Re: Patlal]
    #26942890 - 09/18/20 05:46 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

do you not?

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Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg just died [Re: qpc]
    #26942907 - 09/18/20 05:56 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I wonder who's gonna be even farther right than Boof Cryenough.

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Senate Republicans have promised to try to fill the vacancy even in the waning days of his first term.




So much for Moscow Mitch and his election years.

To paraphrase President Trump, maybe some Second Amendment folks could straighten it out.

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Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg just died [Re: Kryptos] * 1
    #26942937 - 09/18/20 06:14 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

This all but guarantees that a democratic senate gets rid of the filibuster and expands the court to 11 seats

No more mr nice guy


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Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg just died [Re: Patlal]
    #26942944 - 09/18/20 06:19 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

All I can say is "Of Fuck". The poor woman held out as long as she could.

I don't think the Democrats will be able to block this in time. But you watch, the stimulus impasse debate will be over in a heartbeat now, so the Senate can move on to this.


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Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg just died [Re: koods]
    #26942946 - 09/18/20 06:19 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Earlier today Murkowski said she would not vote for a new justice before Inauguration Day.


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Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg just died [Re: koods]
    #26942948 - 09/18/20 06:21 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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This all but guarantees that a democratic senate gets rid of the filibuster and expands the court to 11 seats

No more mr nice guy




Yes, and add D.C. and Puerto Rico. Too can play at this game.


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Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg just died [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26942952 - 09/18/20 06:22 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

How do you guys appoint new Supreme Justices?

I've never done any serious research on that process.  Can anyone give me a clue?


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Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg just died [Re: koods]
    #26942953 - 09/18/20 06:23 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Earlier today Murkowski said she would not vote for a new justice before Inauguration Day.




Yes, and she also promised me a flying pig and a unicorn. You and I both know that's bullshit. She will fall in line, and so will Collins.

Pretty happy I'm a dude, but I'm still gonna get some abortion pills under an inert atmosphere on ice just in case. They saved my ass once already.

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Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg just died [Re: Patlal]
    #26942954 - 09/18/20 06:24 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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How do you guys appoint new Supreme Justices?

I've never done any serious research on that process.  Can anyone give me a clue?




President nominates, Senate confirms.

Or, in this specific case, Federalist Society nominates, Senate rubber stamps.

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Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg just died [Re: koods]
    #26942957 - 09/18/20 06:25 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Earlier today Murkowski said she would not vote for a new justice before Inauguration Day.




If we get Romney, then we only need one or two others, right.

If nothing else it might pressure them to nominate someone from the center. Or even better, nominate a conservative and fail at the confirmation.


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Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg just died [Re: Kryptos]
    #26943009 - 09/18/20 07:15 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Quote:

Patlal said:
How do you guys appoint new Supreme Justices?

I've never done any serious research on that process.  Can anyone give me a clue?




President nominates, Senate confirms.

Or, in this specific case, Federalist Society nominates, Senate rubber stamps.




Regular 50+1 Senate or special vote Senate?


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Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg just died [Re: Patlal]
    #26943072 - 09/18/20 08:08 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Collins said she’s out for an October nomination

2 down one to go. Romney?


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Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg just died [Re: Patlal]
    #26943095 - 09/18/20 08:29 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/18/politics/ruth-bader-ginsburg-dead/index.html

Sad news for America.

Do you think Trump will expidite the process of replacing her before the election?



Yes it is and yes I do. He's probably jumping for joy


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Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg just died [Re: koods]
    #26943142 - 09/18/20 09:01 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Patlal said:
Quote:

Kryptos said:
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Patlal said:
How do you guys appoint new Supreme Justices?

I've never done any serious research on that process.  Can anyone give me a clue?




President nominates, Senate confirms.

Or, in this specific case, Federalist Society nominates, Senate rubber stamps.




Regular 50+1 Senate or special vote Senate?




50+1, republicans got rid of the SCOTUS filibuster the day Obama left office to ram through Gorsuch.

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Collins said she’s out for an October nomination

2 down one to go. Romney?




One of murkowski, collins, or romney will vote for whoever is at the top of the Federalist list. The other two will vote against. Whoever is losing the least in the polls will vote for, the other two will vote against. Republicans will ram through another SCOTUS judge by the end of the week with 51 votes.

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Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg just died [Re: Kryptos]
    #26943173 - 09/18/20 09:29 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

:vibin::vibin::vibin::lmafo::rockon::cookiemonster:
Go to hell bitch. thats what you get for killing 23 million unborn:elmo:


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Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg just died [Re: JHOVA] * 1
    #26943184 - 09/18/20 09:40 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Yup, that's about what I expect from the right wing. Celebration.

Fuck republicans. Either the next president fills the seat, or Joe Biden expands the court and packs it with liberals. We need to take the senate and the presidency, and go scorched earth on the GOPnik motherfuckers. Make them feel it.

And if that doesn;t work, well, to paraphrase republican president trump once again, maybe the second amendment folks can open up a few vacancies.

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Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg just died [Re: Kryptos]
    #26943197 - 09/18/20 09:52 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/18/politics/ruth-bader-ginsburg-dead/index.html

Sad news for America.

Do you think Trump will expidite the process of replacing her before the election?




:rolleyes:

Oh sorry I meant

:crying:

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qpc said:
do you not?




This is the most important part. Caring.

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Yup, that's about what I expect from the right wing. Celebration.

Fuck republicans. Either the next president fills the seat, or Joe Biden expands the court and packs it with liberals. We need to take the senate and the presidency, and go scorched earth on the GOPnik motherfuckers. Make them feel it.

And if that doesn;t work, well, to paraphrase republican president trump once again, maybe the second amendment folks can open up a few vacancies.




Ah yes. One extreme party direction is better then the other. No balance. Yes lets fill The House and Senate with all Liberals only the Liberal agenda and with no one to balance out the other si... Err to fight true Justice and Democracy Congress will just fall into place. Not being sarcastic at all. Not even a little bit. No.


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Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg just died [Re: Patlal] * 1
    #26943201 - 09/18/20 09:53 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

She can finally vote by mail.


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Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg just died [Re: JHOVA] * 1
    #26943202 - 09/18/20 09:55 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I hope Trump replaces her before the election.  Not that he needs to, but to set a precedent.

Row vs Wade was awful, everything she stood for was unholy.


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Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg just died [Re: Kryptos] * 1
    #26943204 - 09/18/20 09:56 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Cocaine Mitch already said a couple months ago that they were going to push a nominee through if a seat opened up. Fuckin smirk on his fucking face and everything.Cuz that cocksucker did everything he coukd in 2016 to block Obamas nomination. We are so fucked now even if Biden wins trump will just contest the election an take it all the way to his supreme court.

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Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg just died [Re: koods]
    #26943206 - 09/18/20 09:57 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Earlier today Murkowski said she would not vote for a new justice before Inauguration Day.



Thay's ok, there are "Democrats on paper" too.  Cannotnwait for those to vote the justice in.


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Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg just died [Re: BeardedWizard] * 1
    #26943208 - 09/18/20 09:58 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Biden will lose and Trump will get 2 more Supreme court nominees.  Enjoy it!


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Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg just died [Re: meltdowner]
    #26943212 - 09/18/20 10:00 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

id love to see democrats stop a hispanic woman nominee with the usual sexual allegations. its happening and even if it doesnt get through by the election this is a rallying cry for all those that hate killing babies and pedophilia. :vibin:


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Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg just died [Re: meltdowner]
    #26943216 - 09/18/20 10:01 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Biden will lose and Trump will get 2 more Supreme court nominees.  Enjoy it!




Here we go again with all these certainties in the outcome of the election. What information are you basing these electoral prediction outcomes on besides personal preference?


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Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg just died [Re: imachavel] * 1
    #26943219 - 09/18/20 10:03 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Not being a brainless MSM washed lunatic.  Its clear even NYC could flip red at this point.


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    #26943223 - 09/18/20 10:04 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Yay more mouths for conservatives to bitch about having to feed while subsadizing big ag its ok though to dole out the money as long as its not to the poor blacks and mesicans or to immigrants

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    #26943229 - 09/18/20 10:07 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I jilust want people to be treated equally under the law, keep taxes low, freedom high and not be bothered by crime or thievery  on a daily basis.  If thats conservative, sign me up!  Oh and no tax payer funded healthcare OR welfare.  U work for the money!


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Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg just died [Re: BeardedWizard] * 1
    #26943232 - 09/18/20 10:08 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

All about more babies and not really careing what happens to them as long as they are born though right? Who really cares about quality of life unless its their own quality

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Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg just died [Re: JHOVA]
    #26943233 - 09/18/20 10:09 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Is that going to wipe out Biden in electoral power? Trump gets NYC? Shit after 8 months living in NY and among 8 million people like 7 million of them I learned are hipsters and I am actually supposed to believe NYC will flip red?

Ok but lets say for a minute I believe you are right in this argument. Why would anyone enjoy Trump getting 2 supreme court nominees? Why more Trump? For that matter why Biden? But why more Trump?

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id love to see democrats stop a hispanic woman nominee with the usual sexual allegations. its happening and even if it doesnt get through by the election this is a rallying cry for all those that hate killing babies and pedophilia. :vibin:




AOC is a hispanic Democrat. Also not that I am taking Biden supporter's sides but aren't the usual sexual allegations from a hispanic women towards Trump raping her?


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Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg just died [Re: BeardedWizard] * 1
    #26943235 - 09/18/20 10:09 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Yay more mouths for conservatives to bitch about having to feed while subsadizing big ag its ok though to dole out the money as long as its not to the poor blacks and mesicans or to immigrants




I mean :shrug: pretty much


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Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg just died [Re: meltdowner]
    #26943239 - 09/18/20 10:12 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

libertarians can stay losing with that NAP shit. freedom is byproduct of order first and foremost. the state must be wielded and for the world view you want. its either 1776 or 1619 racial grievance forever. dont ever forget that spain would be a hellhole if it wasnt for franco putting those filty communists under his boot. theres no peace with communists.

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Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg just died [Re: meltdowner] * 1
    #26943240 - 09/18/20 10:12 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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I jilust want people to be treated equally under the law, keep taxes low, freedom high and not be bothered by crime or thievery  on a daily basis.  If thats conservative, sign me up!



I'm with you.

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Oh and no tax payer funded healthcare OR welfare.  U work for the money!



You lost me here.  Medicare for All would be far more affordable for at least 95% of working class Americans.  Everyone pays in the same percentage of their income, so everyone gets "treated equally under the law".

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Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg just died [Re: imachavel]
    #26943243 - 09/18/20 10:14 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Im not saying Bidens my guy by anymeans. But he isnt Trump. Freedom? Get WOKE

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Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg just died [Re: Kryptos]
    #26943246 - 09/18/20 10:15 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Yup, that's about what I expect from the right wing. Celebration.

Fuck republicans. Either the next president fills the seat, or Joe Biden expands the court and packs it with liberals. We need to take the senate and the presidency, and go scorched earth on the GOPnik motherfuckers. Make them feel it.

And if that doesn;t work, well, to paraphrase republican president trump once again, maybe the second amendment folks can open up a few vacancies.




Biden is a conservative, why would he pack the court with liberals?  :lol:

Either way, the SC is a political institution and it really doesn't matter.

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    #26943247 - 09/18/20 10:16 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Freedom =  :minigun:

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Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg just died [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26943249 - 09/18/20 10:17 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Welfare causes illegals to flood in and take our jerbs.  Seriously.  Everyone wants to come to america for that sweet sweet welfare system.  Pass.  If taxes, housing, property werent inflated so high, people wouldnt mind losing their job or a few years.  We have bigger problems than to bandaid everything with "raise taxes and redistribute money".  Another time.


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    #26943251 - 09/18/20 10:18 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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I jilust want people to be treated equally under the law, keep taxes low, freedom high and not be bothered by crime or thievery  on a daily basis.  If thats conservative, sign me up!  Oh and no tax payer funded healthcare OR welfare.  U work for the money!




Which you get with a Republican this year? Who helped with all this? Trump? What policies has he passed that have protected all that? If I did know any better I would think he spent 4 years simply attacking any person he could blame for why things are not functioning correctly. How is the conservative? What has he done in 4 years besides just blame anyone for anything that did not work right besides himself? How can anyone be conservative and want him around? What about him equals conservative?

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All about more babies and not really careing what happens to them as long as they are born though right? Who really cares about quality of life unless its their own quality




Ah yes the abortion argument. People against abortion generally do not tend to care who will actually raise the child or if it will have a good life. They are just against abortion. You know I think I will lean left on this one. Truthfully people who do not believe in killing babies should totally believe in school reform and foster care reform and orphanage reform since people who do not want to keep the baby generally will not try to keep it after its born. I feel bad for a kid who does not have a chance to grow up and have a good life but then also I feel bad for a kid who is forced to stay in a shit life with a shit family who has no chance.


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    #26943252 - 09/18/20 10:19 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Yup, that's about what I expect from the right wing. Celebration.

Fuck republicans. Either the next president fills the seat, or Joe Biden expands the court and packs it with liberals. We need to take the senate and the presidency, and go scorched earth on the GOPnik motherfuckers. Make them feel it.

And if that doesn;t work, well, to paraphrase republican president trump once again, maybe the second amendment folks can open up a few vacancies.




Biden is a conservative, why would he pack the court with liberals?  :lol:

Either way, the SC is a political institution and it really doesn't matter.



He is indeed but i did just get some shit in the mail the other day about Biden being the radical left because that how freakin far to the right the gops gone i guess 🤷‍♂️

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    #26943256 - 09/18/20 10:21 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Welfare causes illegals to flood in and take our jerbs.  Seriously.  Everyone wants to come to america for that sweet sweet welfare system.  Pass.  If taxes, housing, property werent inflated so high, people wouldnt mind losing their job or a few years.  We have bigger problems than to bandaid everything with "raise taxes and redistribute money".  Another time.




How about boot the illegals out, get rid of birth right citizenship and then tax the rich and provide decent social services for US citizens? 

You do realize we have been redistributing the wealth in the US for over 40-50 years now?  What wrong with having it go in the other direction for once?

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Yup, that's about what I expect from the right wing. Celebration.

Fuck republicans. Either the next president fills the seat, or Joe Biden expands the court and packs it with liberals. We need to take the senate and the presidency, and go scorched earth on the GOPnik motherfuckers. Make them feel it.

And if that doesn;t work, well, to paraphrase republican president trump once again, maybe the second amendment folks can open up a few vacancies.




Biden is a conservative, why would he pack the court with liberals?  :lol:

Either way, the SC is a political institution and it really doesn't matter.




biden is going to die and he picked the most liberal senator by govtrack.us. she voted for an anti lynching bill with corey booker for jussie maga country smollett.

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I jilust want people to be treated equally under the law, keep taxes low, freedom high and not be bothered by crime or thievery  on a daily basis.  If thats conservative, sign me up!



I'm with you.

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Oh and no tax payer funded healthcare OR welfare.  U work for the money!



You lost me here.  Medicare for All would be far more affordable for at least 95% of working class Americans.  Everyone pays in the same percentage of their income, so everyone gets "treated equally under the law".

Welfare helps ensure everyone has food and shelter if they run into tough times.




I am totally not against welfare as starving dying sick people are bad for communities in every way possible. But how in the world can back your claim up? Welfare is affordable for all? Its a major burden on the tax payer among other things.

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Yup, that's about what I expect from the right wing. Celebration.

Fuck republicans. Either the next president fills the seat, or Joe Biden expands the court and packs it with liberals. We need to take the senate and the presidency, and go scorched earth on the GOPnik motherfuckers. Make them feel it.

And if that doesn;t work, well, to paraphrase republican president trump once again, maybe the second amendment folks can open up a few vacancies.




Biden is a conservative, why would he pack the court with liberals?  :lol:

Either way, the SC is a political institution and it really doesn't matter.




Did you just call Biden a conservative? Did you see how much money Obama spent? I mean Biden was his VP.

:facepalm: good lord

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Welfare causes illegals to flood in and take our jerbs.  Seriously.  Everyone wants to come to america for that sweet sweet welfare system.  Pass.  If taxes, housing, property werent inflated so high, people wouldnt mind losing their job or a few years.  We have bigger problems than to bandaid everything with "raise taxes and redistribute money".  Another time.




That has nothing to do with why illegals come over here. They come over here to not have to sleep in their own shit every night. For real build a wall between Canada and the US for gods sakes if you believe that.

Oh and drug dealers never intend to become citizens if that is the argument to keep them out.


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Yup, that's about what I expect from the right wing. Celebration.

Fuck republicans. Either the next president fills the seat, or Joe Biden expands the court and packs it with liberals. We need to take the senate and the presidency, and go scorched earth on the GOPnik motherfuckers. Make them feel it.

And if that doesn;t work, well, to paraphrase republican president trump once again, maybe the second amendment folks can open up a few vacancies.




Biden is a conservative, why would he pack the court with liberals?  :lol:

Either way, the SC is a political institution and it really doesn't matter.




biden is going to die and he picked the most liberal senator by govtrack.us. she voted for an anti lynching bill with corey booker for jussie maga country smollett.

the supreme court can reverse roe v wade and thats a big deal to Christians and conservatives.




Well facts are facts.

Not to be so pessimistic. This is the political forum. You have to drop facts first before solutions can be sort through.

Not that either of these candidates winning constitutes as a solution.


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What's up Jhova, haven't seen you around in a while.

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    #26943270 - 09/18/20 10:30 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I do realize that.  Hard to say.  Show me how bad poor people have it.  In NYV all the poor jobless people drive Mercedes with their 4 kids.
Immigrant families from saudi arabia and china do the same.  They come into NYVwith their monopoly money artificially inflated by china and buy up houses and flip them.  I just feel like we have some serious priorities out ofnwack here.  A dilapidated house behind me just sold for 700k to a chinese family who dont even live in it.  The house went on sale in the 90s for 134k.  If you want to start addressing wealth, start with the outrageous property values across the country and high taxes to boot.

Eveeyone is preying on the poor.  Even with higher taxes on the rich, its unlikely the poor see any real change with the current setup.  99% of the year the poor dont go to the dr.  So selling that dr visit to them like its going to pull them out of the gutter is ridiculous.

Anyway, we have much bigger problems no one wants to address and its property and taxes.


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    #26943271 - 09/18/20 10:30 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

The US should build a wall everywhere. Just build a wall around the entire border of the US. Then give me a few weeks so I can leave, and nuke yourselves.

Probably solve all the issues the US has.

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    #26943273 - 09/18/20 10:33 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

You forgot to say something bad our Prestigeous President Donald J. TRUMP.  (45 stayin alive, unlike Ruthy)


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Not my president. He said so himself.

Plus, I'm an immigrant and an American. I don't give a fuck about you or yours. Individualism, bitch. Don't you know freedom?

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I do realize that.  Hard to say.  Show me how bad poor people have it.  In NYV all the poor jobless people drive Mercedes with their 4 kids.
Immigrant families from saudi arabia and china do the same.  They come into NYVwith their monopoly money artificially inflated by china and buy up houses and flip them.  I just feel like we have some serious priorities out ofnwack here.  A dilapidated house behind me just sold for 700k to a chinese family who dont even live in it.  The house went on sale in the 90s for 134k.  If you want to start addressing wealth, start with the outrageous property values across the country and high taxes to boot.

Eveeyone is preying on the poor.  Even with higher taxes on the rich, its unlikely the poor see any real change with the current setup.  99% of the year the poor dont go to the dr.  So selling that dr visit to them like its going to pull them out of the gutter is ridiculous.

Anyway, we have much bigger problems no one wants to address and its property and taxes.




Yeah I do not think this is the right time for tax increases. Argue it is good or not any other time and its an argument that hardly has an end. But as far as tax increases go we were lucky to avoid the Great Depression #2 with this covid thing and probably like a few trillion in bail out money is the main reason we avoided it.

Is now the time for tax increases? That sounds like suicide. I do not think Biden should approach this the way Obama did the 2008 recession. Not going to work the same. Horrible time for tax increases.

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The US should build a wall everywhere. Just build a wall around the entire border of the US. Then give me a few weeks so I can leave, and nuke yourselves.

Probably solve all the issues the US has.




Quoted for posterity.

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You forgot to say something bad our Prestigeous President Donald J. TRUMP.  (45 stayin alive, unlike Ruthy)




One of his best friends ever was a billionaire child molestor. Fact.

That work?


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First or second generation immigrant?  Are you legal?


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    #26943293 - 09/18/20 10:45 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Biden wont have a chance to do anything. He's going to lose for sure.

Trump was not best friends with that pedo epstein.

NYV = NYC.  Fat fingered.


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The US should build a wall everywhere. Just build a wall around the entire border of the US. Then give me a few weeks so I can leave, and nuke yourselves.

Probably solve all the issues the US has.




Quoted for posterity.




Sweet. I'll make sure I re-read this quote when the US nukes itself into oblivion as I fly back to Russia. It would be a fitting end.

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First or second generation immigrant?  Are you legal?




First, legal, and if it makes you feel better, the federal government paid not only for my college, but also my grad school, because my SATs and GREs were that good. I don;t have student loan debt. I got scholarships. Taxpayers paid for that shit. Remember that when you fill out your taxes next year.

EDIT: Actually, I never even paid the filing fee for my green card or citizenship, since I had an invite from a federally funded college. Those were also both subsidized. Pretty sure US taxpayers paid a full ride for me. Of course, I also pay quite a bit in taxes now, but, ya know, be happy that you helped pay for a decade of schooling for an immigrant like me.

Actually, I kinda fucked up my taxes. I thought investing my 401k overseas meant I still got taxed, turns out it doesn't, so I need to send in an adjustment.

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Biden wont have a chance to do anything. He's going to lose for sure.

Trump was not best friends with that pedo epstein.

NYV = NYC.  Fat fingered.




He was totally best friends.

Once again why is Trump a for sure win? The polls don't say so. Not that I care for polls. But why? Because 'murica?


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    #26943326 - 09/18/20 11:21 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Welfare causes illegals to flood in and take our jerbs.  Seriously.



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Welfare causes illegals to flood in and take our jerbs.  Seriously.



Illegals don't get welfare.  Seriously.




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    #26943425 - 09/19/20 01:15 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Ruth Bader Ginsburg is burning in hell with George Fentanyl Floyd.

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    #26943466 - 09/19/20 02:01 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

There is no hell for Jews. That’s a Christian thing.


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Biden wont have a chance to do anything. He's going to lose for sure.

Trump was not best friends with that pedo epstein.

NYV = NYC.  Fat fingered.




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The US should build a wall everywhere. Just build a wall around the entire border of the US. Then give me a few weeks so I can leave, and nuke yourselves.

Probably solve all the issues the US has.




Quoted for posterity.




Sweet. I'll make sure I re-read this quote when the US nukes itself into oblivion as I fly back to Russia. It would be a fitting end.

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First or second generation immigrant?  Are you legal?




First, legal, and if it makes you feel better, the federal government paid not only for my college, but also my grad school, because my SATs and GREs were that good. I don;t have student loan debt. I got scholarships. Taxpayers paid for that shit. Remember that when you fill out your taxes next year.

EDIT: Actually, I never even paid the filing fee for my green card or citizenship, since I had an invite from a federally funded college. Those were also both subsidized. Pretty sure US taxpayers paid a full ride for me. Of course, I also pay quite a bit in taxes now, but, ya know, be happy that you helped pay for a decade of schooling for an immigrant like me.

Actually, I kinda fucked up my taxes. I thought investing my 401k overseas meant I still got taxed, turns out it doesn't, so I need to send in an adjustment.




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    #26943728 - 09/19/20 08:52 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

That day happens once a week.

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The opinions expressed here do not reflect the majority.

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    #26944291 - 09/19/20 02:27 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)



RBG was never american, always bringing her inherited Talmudic worldview. A worshipper of Moloch rather than of Christ. Imagine a SCJ that doesnt have the slightest respect for the founding documents in a public interview. SA drafting the most antiwhite constitution and pro black is exactly the kind of world she worked to change america into. where they have slaughtered 70000 white farmers for growing the ingrates food for hundreds of years.

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What the fuck is happening to right wingers?


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    #26944597 - 09/19/20 05:16 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Not being a brainless MSM washed lunatic.  Its clear even NYC could flip red at this point.



This one of the most out of touch things you've said in a while. There's even 2 big movements from republicans to vote against Trump and across the board on people that enabled him. Republican voters against Trump has a DHS chief of staff under Trump methodically telling how he has bastardize the Republican party for votes. He tells about Trump responding to the last big Californian wildfire by telling fema to pull funding from people with their houses burnt down because it was a blue state and he didnt think he had much supporters there. He said a LOT of very damning things. Detailed how people in the admin say if they thought Trump was going hard noe he's going to be out of control no holds bard next term. He has never been a never trumper, in fact the opposite highly thought of in the admin until he spoke out. He didn't do it for money he's just telling people what he saw first hand. The other group is the Lincoln project which is in the same vein but isn't as personal as the 1,000s of life long republicans telling why they feel like Biden would be better then Trump. I'd recommend watching some veterans on there talk about their perspectives 



There's been a few more of his admin that have spoken out through the organization all were very much in the Trump cult but I'd really suggest watching this 3 min video it's important also do your own research on the guy he's an upstanding dude and very rabid Trump supporter until he started to see what he was doing


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    #26944821 - 09/19/20 07:54 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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I hope Trump replaces her before the election.  Not that he needs to, but to set a precedent.

Row vs Wade was awful, everything she stood for was unholy.




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    #26944837 - 09/19/20 08:03 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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The US should build a wall everywhere. Just build a wall around the entire border of the US. Then give me a few weeks so I can leave, and nuke yourselves.

Probably solve all the issues the US has.




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    #26944863 - 09/19/20 08:18 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

There is also a chance that Mark Kelly could not only win the special election for Arizona Senator, but also take office in time to vote on this. He's s former combat fighter pilot, space shuttle astronaut, and the husband of Gabrielle Giffords.

One other thing. Trump said he will nominate a woman. Should we expect outrage from those here who condemned Biden for saying he would pick a woman. Of course Trump could change his mind any second, then say he never said it, then say the media outlets who reported him saying are fake news.

I think it will be a mistake for Republicans to push this through if they pick a conservative. The Democrats will go hog wild in retaliation: increase the number of justices, and push through D.C. and Puerto Rico statehood, which means 4 sure thing Democratic Senators.


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    #26944865 - 09/19/20 08:20 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Who in the f*ck cares.

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    #26944964 - 09/19/20 09:18 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

In North Korea they’re brainwashed as shit, they cry and weep in the streets when their supreme leader dies.

Not like in America, where we cry and weep in the streets when our Supreme justice dies.


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    #26945194 - 09/20/20 12:11 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

It was more like mass hysteria being enforced by the government.

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    #26945604 - 09/20/20 07:11 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Those NK's dont just cry, they wail and flail around in a Domino formations. In the "who can cry the most when a leader dies" contest, they still win; after all, thier leaders are gods.


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Who in the f*ck cares.

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    #26946910 - 09/20/20 09:20 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

It's so bad here.  Never come.


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    #26946917 - 09/20/20 09:27 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Not being a brainless MSM washed lunatic.  Its clear even NYC could flip red at this point.



This one of the most out of touch things you've said in a while. There's even 2 big movements from republicans to vote against Trump and across the board on people that enabled him. Republican voters against Trump has a DHS chief of staff under Trump methodically telling how he has bastardize the Republican party for votes. He tells about Trump responding to the last big Californian wildfire by telling fema to pull funding from people with their houses burnt down because it was a blue state and he didnt think he had much supporters there. He said a LOT of very damning things. Detailed how people in the admin say if they thought Trump was going hard noe he's going to be out of control no holds bard next term. He has never been a never trumper, in fact the opposite highly thought of in the admin until he spoke out. He didn't do it for money he's just telling people what he saw first hand. The other group is the Lincoln project which is in the same vein but isn't as personal as the 1,000s of life long republicans telling why they feel like Biden would be better then Trump. I'd recommend watching some veterans on there talk about their perspectives 



There's been a few more of his admin that have spoken out through the organization all were very much in the Trump cult but I'd really suggest watching this 3 min video it's important also do your own research on the guy he's an upstanding dude and very rabid Trump supporter until he started to see what he was doing



LOL @ that kid in the video.  Hes mad Trump wasnt concerned about some HACKERS!  LOL.  DUH, kid there are 1000 more important things than to do something about some HACKERS lol.  He said nothing of value in that video but slander Trump with no evidence.

Then the line at the end..."i dont agree with biden but he will protect us"... LOL FROM THOSE HACKERS?!?!?  HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH.


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    #26946928 - 09/20/20 09:34 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Just because you live in the 18th century, that doesn't mean the rest of the world does.

"A few hackers" can, and have, shut down hospitals in the US. "A few hackers" can easily shut down your access to electricity. And water.

You probably know that garbage cans are effective ways to get water from the local river, right? Assuming your local river isn't polluted, of course.

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Just because you live in the 18th century, that doesn't mean the rest of the world does.

"A few hackers" can, and have, shut down hospitals in the US. "A few hackers" can easily shut down your access to electricity. And water.

You probably know that garbage cans are effective ways to get water from the local river, right? Assuming your local river isn't polluted, of course.




I was a hacker at 14!  Got my name in the chicago sun times.  Im a programmer now.  Hackers dont hurt anything.  They steal credit card numbers and identity theft.  Theyre annoying but they sure as shit arent taking over countries.  The kid in that video was obviously full of shit.


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    #26946943 - 09/20/20 09:42 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Well, let me know when you get a job.

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"A few hackers" can, and have, shut down hospitals in the US. "A few hackers" can easily shut down your access to electricity. And water.



And only the President of the United States is capable of stopping "a few hackers". Amirite?


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    #26947008 - 09/20/20 10:39 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Considering that the President of the United States is the sole individual in charge of US Cyber Command, yes. You are right.

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Only the President of the United States is capable of stopping "a few hackers". Amirite?



Considering that the President of the United States is the sole individual in charge of US Cyber Command, yes. You are right.



I see.  And the Commander of US Cyber Command doesn't have the power to stop hackers.  Got it, thanks.


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    #26947110 - 09/21/20 12:46 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I have one.  I code for a very well known law firm now.


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    #26947450 - 09/21/20 09:16 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

After 87 years on the planet, Ruth Bader Ginsburg was thinking about Trump on her deathbed?




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    #26947496 - 09/21/20 09:56 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

If your an actual patriot that cares about your country and protecting It from fascist fucks why wouldn’t you be thinking about what you see as an incompetent , reckless , self centered ,  clown president on your  deathbed ?
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    #26947528 - 09/21/20 10:18 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

The fact that so much of the progress we've made legally on women's rights rested on the shoulders of one woman is a sign of a broken system. We literally have a "council of elders" situation with the supreme court, and it seriously needs to be nerfed.


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I'm not sure you understand the court's role.


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    #26947939 - 09/21/20 02:53 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Theoretically, or practically?

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Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg just died [Re: Kryptos]
    #26948019 - 09/21/20 03:37 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Perhaps not, but I'm open to being corrected if I made a mistake.


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    #26948058 - 09/21/20 04:02 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

What makes you think that much of the progress rests on one woman's shoulders?


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    #26948151 - 09/21/20 04:48 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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What makes you think that much of the progress rests on one woman's shoulders?



I'm talking about Ginsburg's position on pro-choice abortion rights (which I consider to be an important instance of women's rights), and how significant rulings on legislation surrounding that particular issue have, historically, been determined based on the decision of the Supreme Court. When I was saying it was a broken system, I was commenting on the fact that such power is given to individuals who we, the voting population, have no say in appointing, other than by electing a president who is most likely to fill a Supreme Court seat with a judge who best matches our values.

I don't know how many women would have the right to an abortion today in the US if it weren't for justice Ginsburg. Or, am I wrong about that?


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    #26948166 - 09/21/20 04:55 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

The federal right to an abortion predates Ginsburg's tenure by twenty years.  Still, if Roe v. Wade were overturned tomorrow, that wouldn't ban abortion.  It would just give some states the ability to do so.


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    #26948172 - 09/21/20 04:59 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Which would practically ban abortion for anyone that lives in a state that criminalizes abortion and can't afford a vacation to California.

Not to mention some states possibly criminalizing leaving the state to get an abortion, which IIRC Georgia attempted.

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They can't make it illegal to leave the state.  That would be unconstitutional.  Many more states than California would have legal abortion.


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    #26948228 - 09/21/20 05:45 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I believe Georgia's HB481 explicitly states that a fetus is a human being with full human rights, and therefore taking any action, including leaving the state, for the purposes of abortion could be considered some degree of murder/conspiracy to commit murder.

They didn't criminalize leaving the state, they simply said that anyone who plans to leave the state for the purposes of an abortion is "conspiring" to "commit murder".

Under Roe, this law is blatantly unconstitutional and unenforceable. Without Roe...

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Without Roe it still is unconstitutional.


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    #26948298 - 09/21/20 06:37 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Ginsburg is one voice out of 9.  If she had won a vote 5-4 she only represented 20% of the victory.  If it's a win by more than 5, she represented less and less depending on how many voted like her.


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The federal right to an abortion predates Ginsburg's tenure by twenty years.  Still, if Roe v. Wade were overturned tomorrow, that wouldn't ban abortion.  It would just give some states the ability to do so.



I'm aware Roe v. Wade was before Ginsburg's tenure, but she has made rulings in other cases that were also relevant to a woman's right to abortion, like Stenberg v. Carhart and Gonzales v. Carhart.

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    #26948889 - 09/22/20 07:31 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

She didn't singlehandedly make any of those rulings, though.

Also, whether it's a "regression" in your opinion or not, Roe v. Wade is bad law and was based on other bad law.  I'm as pro-choice as they come, and I believe abortion should be allowed up until the moment of birth and perhaps even for a period of time after that.  Still, if we want a Constitutional right to privacy, we should amend the Constitution.

As far as states banning abortion, it won't make a big difference.  People will leave those states.  Frankly, the only states that would ban abortion are the dirt poor ones anyway.


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Frankly, the only states that would ban abortion are the dirt poor ones anyway.




Is a direct counterargument to:

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People will leave those states.




Poor people generally don't have a lot of mobility. Though I will laugh when Alabamans are applying for asylum in Cali.

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I didn't say anything about poor people.  I said poor states.


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Which brings us back to the theory vs. practice debate.

In theory, people can move to another state. In theory, I can move to Germany and leave the US to the MAGA hats. In theory, I'd love nothing more than to do so. In practice, poor states are full of poor people who cannot afford to leave. In practice, my job application to a position in Germany, which was well in progress, was denied due to the quarantine. In practice, I cannot leave the US because, well, we're the disease-ridden shithole country now.

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the supreme court can reverse roe v wade and thats a big deal to Christians and conservatives.



Maybe they can, but it will NEVER happen, and there's far more important things than the abortion issue. That issue in particular gets people all emotional and upset so it works to get votes from uneducated (about abortion and the actual scientific facts of biology etc..) people who only go by their gut/knee jerk emotional reaction to it. Trisomy 21 was invented for a reason, there shouldn't be ANY down syndrome babies born ever again, ever. Yet they still refuse to test sometimes, and the very poor people around the world don't have good healthcare so they don't get the test either. I say hand out free morning after pills to 8 and 9th graders on up to college and also free condoms in high schools along with the birth control.


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Trisomy 21 was invented for a reason, there shouldn't be ANY down syndrome babies born ever again, ever. Yet they still refuse to test sometimes, and the very poor people around the world don't have good healthcare so they don't get the test either.



I know this is a little off-topic for the thread, but I don't think that a world without ANY down syndrome babies would necessarily be a better world. People with down syndrome can still have a lot to offer, and having down syndrome doesn't necessarily mean a lower quality of life. If someone wants to abort because they aren't equipped to support a child with down syndrome, I think that's completely valid and well within her rights. However, I think using the trisomy test as a tool for eradicating down syndrome isn't the most ethical idea...


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    #26949562 - 09/22/20 03:11 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Maybe they can, but it will NEVER happen




I think it'll happen pretty quickly. Throw some meat to the Evangelical base for their support, and then while they're celebrating, start pumping in the pro-corporate anti-labor agenda, starting with ACA.

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Trisomy 21 was invented for a reason, there shouldn't be ANY down syndrome babies born ever again, ever. Yet they still refuse to test sometimes, and the very poor people around the world don't have good healthcare so they don't get the test either.



I know this is a little off-topic for the thread, but I don't think that a world without ANY down syndrome babies would necessarily be a better world. People with down syndrome can still have a lot to offer, and having down syndrome doesn't necessarily mean a lower quality of life. If someone wants to abort because they aren't equipped to support a child with down syndrome, I think that's completely valid and well within her rights. However, I think using the trisomy test as a tool for eradicating down syndrome isn't the most ethical idea...




I think it's unethical to create a life that is, from the very beginning, crippled. For lack of better term. Sure, there are plenty of people with downs that have provided value to the world, including one of my good friends, who has pretty severe downs and autism, but is a math savant, but there are many more downs people that will need lifelong care.

Even my friend's quality of life is probably not great, because even though he's got a PhD in math and a fairly prestigious position, his social life has been pretty crippled for as long as I've known him since high school.

Then again, I think having kids is kind of unethical, because you're forcing someone to exist without their consent. It's not a very popular opinion. Either way, it's pretty shitty to not give your kid every possible advantage in life, which includes screening for developmental disorders.

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Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg just died [Re: Nonagon Infinity]
    #26949684 - 09/22/20 04:17 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Great point, I was being extreme. Kryptos put it more succinctly. I apologize to anyone I offended with the statement.


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    #26949700 - 09/22/20 04:24 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Humans polute by our own nature. Agree with less human life, but, with that comes less chance of genius and/or destroyer; definitely shaking the dice.


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    #26949709 - 09/22/20 04:29 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Also a good point. I am pro choice and used an extreme single thing to get my point across. I don't think I'd be where I am as a nurse if my life had gone differently. I went through one with a GF. It was an amicable decision with both of us and we knew it wouldn't be best for the child.

This gets me right here about the topic at hand.:

On Monday, McConnell warned that Democrats will try "every conceivable dirty trick" to prevent a Trump nominee from being confirmed.

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Also a good point. I am pro choice and used an extreme single thing to get my point across. I don't think I'd be where I am as a nurse if my life had gone differently. I went through one with a GF. It was an amicable decision with both of us and we knew it wouldn't be best for the child.

This gets me right here about the topic at hand.:

On Monday, McConnell warned that Democrats will try "every conceivable dirty trick" to prevent a Trump nominee from being confirmed.

WTF? Like they didn't?




Same. I would not be where I am without abortion access. I'd probably be a college dropout single dad.

McConnell is a Republican, part of the GOP party.

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    #26950154 - 09/22/20 09:28 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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    #26950177 - 09/22/20 09:45 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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She didn't singlehandedly make any of those rulings, though.

Also, whether it's a "regression" in your opinion or not, Roe v. Wade is bad law and was based on other bad law.  I'm as pro-choice as they come, and I believe abortion should be allowed up until the moment of birth and perhaps even for a period of time after that.  Still, if we want a Constitutional right to privacy, we should amend the Constitution.

As far as states banning abortion, it won't make a big difference.  People will leave those states.  Frankly, the only states that would ban abortion are the dirt poor ones anyway.




I wish you were right. I wish overturning Roe vs Wade made no difference. I wish it was unconstitutional but

"The Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution provides a fundamental "right to privacy" that protects a pregnant woman's liberty to choose whether or not to have an abortion. This right is not absolute, and must be balanced against the government's interests in protecting women's health and protecting prenatal life. Texas law making it a crime to assist a woman to get an abortion violated this right."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roe_v._Wade#:~:text=Supreme%20Court%20of%20the%20United%20States&text=The%20Due%20Process%20Clause%20of,not%20to%20have%20an%20abortion.

So as a Constitutional right it is still as it is possible to overturn and states can "interpret it" as they want. You are spreading bad information.

I mean I don't give a fuck. I cannot care less about Ruth Bader Ginsburg. Much of pro abortion law predates her including Roe vs Wade and like any other law especially an amendment to the Constitution those things do just not pass because of one person. It takes quite a few people to write a law.

I doubt Trump could overturn this. But if states can already ban abortion and Roe vs Wade is a Constitutional Amendment why would overturning the Amendment not make it any easier to ban abortion?

Roe vs Wade is very interpreted. More then anything it seems to protect a person from being charged as a murderer for getting an abortion and in most states it guarantees a persons right to get one. But why would overturning Roe vs Wade not change a states ability to ban abortions. Like you said most states do not want to ban abortion anyway.

A) babies are hard to feed. They cost money. Orphanages cost money. Foster care systems cost money. Welfare costs money. States providing lawyers costs money. Kids displaced from family to family generally grow up to join gangs and go to prison and this costs money.

B) well b is pretty much A. B is that people lobby for A. Lobbying back against A costs money. Fighting lobbyists costs money. Rewriting laws costs money. Basically who needs a baby that cannot be fed loved educated because a right wing group calls it murder? No I am not going pro liberal I am saying those people need to shut the fuck up. All those hardcore right wing anti abortion protestors are not going to feed a baby that a bad irresponsible parent is going to be forced to give birth to.

In a perfect world I call it murder. In a perfect world where a baby is as easy to care for and raise as a puppy I would call it murder to kill one for no reason. With the exception a woman can still die giving birth so in a way its a form of cruelty to force someone to give birth. There are of course C sections. Yet a woman can die in a C section as well.

But I am here to say that states can ban abortions without Roe vs Wade being overturned. So you are incorrect. But if you were correct I would quote it for posterity.

But instead I am denying your claim. For posterity. Or whatever reason. Just some basic clarity.


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    #26950182 - 09/22/20 09:50 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I wish I was straight so I could be responsible for at least a couple abortions


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I didn't know you weren't straight?


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Like you would ram your cock into the babies head and kill the baby?


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    #26950225 - 09/22/20 10:06 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg just died [Re: koods]
    #26950545 - 09/23/20 06:24 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Even if you can't be responsible for conception, you can always be responsible for pushing pregnant women down the stairs.

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Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg just died [Re: imachavel]
    #26950584 - 09/23/20 07:16 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

The Constitutional "right to privacy" is a farce.  It was pure fiction created by the court in Griswold v Connecticut.  That is the foundation that Roe v. Wade was built on.  Griswold should be overturned, which would undermine Roe v Wade. 

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    #26950784 - 09/23/20 09:39 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Then again, I think having kids is kind of unethical, because you're forcing someone to exist without their consent.




I'm still pissed off nobody asked me before I was conceived.

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    #26950802 - 09/23/20 09:52 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

FUCK!



WASHINGTON — There's only one principle at work as Republicans here get ready to nominate and confirm a new justice to the Supreme Court: power.
Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., made that clear when he amended the logic he used in 2016 to justify ignoring the appointment of Merrick Garland, who was President Barack Obama's last pick for the Supreme Court. Back then, McConnell said the Senate shouldn't vote on a Supreme Court justice in an election year.


"The American people should have a voice in the selection of their next Supreme Court justice," McConnell said in February 2016. "Therefore, this vacancy should not be filled until we have a new president.” Now, he says that dictum only applies when the president is from a different party than the Senate majority leader.

"It is blatant hypocrisy," Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, D-New York, said on MSNBC Monday. "Mitch McConnell said let the people decide. He's absolutely full of it."

It may be more that McConnell's true motivations have been revealed. In reality, the confirmation of a new justice to succeed the late Ruth Bader Ginsburg is not about the limited history and precedent he cites, it's not about the sanctity of his institution, and it's not about concepts of consistency and fairness.

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    #26950922 - 09/23/20 11:27 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

They are pushing this through before the election because they think Biden is going to win and the democrats will take the senate. On November 4th if Biden is president elect and the senate will be in the democrats hands come January, the democrats will be able to use the threat of court packing to deter filling the seat. The deal will be either give the nomination to Biden or keep it and Biden adds two more seats to the court.


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    #26950951 - 09/23/20 11:56 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

A Trumpie supreme court means a trumpie election win regardless.

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    #26951149 - 09/23/20 02:15 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Well then we swarm the White House and drag him out by his bitch tits


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    #26951218 - 09/23/20 02:41 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

It's going to be beyond ugly if the supreme court ends up making the decision. Lots of people with nothing to lose right now, lots of them aren't very happy with bunker boy.

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    #26951288 - 09/23/20 03:13 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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A) babies are hard to feed. They cost money. Orphanages cost money. Foster care systems cost money. Welfare costs money. States providing lawyers costs money. Kids displaced from family to family generally grow up to join gangs and go to prison and this costs money.

B) well b is pretty much A. B is that people lobby for A. Lobbying back against A costs money. Fighting lobbyists costs money. Rewriting laws costs money. Basically who needs a baby that cannot be fed loved educated because a right wing group calls it murder? No I am not going pro liberal I am saying those people need to shut the fuck up. All those hardcore right wing anti abortion protestors are not going to feed a baby that a bad irresponsible parent is going to be forced to give birth to.




States aren't cohesive, intelligent, beings. States are groups of people with their own motivations.

For example, a state senator that receives funding from the local prison corporation may be incentivized to provide a "customer base" for the prison corporation. In this case, increasing poverty, increasing family instability, and ultimately increasing crime would be a good thing, from their perspective.

After all, they aren't paying for it personally out of pocket. The taxpayers are paying for the welfare, the lawyers, and the eventual costs of putting people in prison. The "hypothetical" state senator just gets a cut of that taxpayer money in lobbying cash.

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Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg just died [Re: Kryptos]
    #26953886 - 09/25/20 05:27 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

RBG is the first Jew to ever lie in state (you know dead in the coffin sense) at the Capital.

This is pretty fucked up, like 144 years after independence granting women the right to vote fucked up.

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    #26954086 - 09/25/20 08:55 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Christ. She was the first woman too. Unbelievable.

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    #26954096 - 09/25/20 08:59 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Women have no reason to complain about equality, and the Jews control the world. It's so obvious.


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    #26955033 - 09/25/20 07:54 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

If education has a relationship with economic outcomes, women should be ruling the world soon, too.


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Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg just died [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26955042 - 09/25/20 08:02 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Democrats know they are going to lose RBG's seat to a conservative.

Their latest maneuver is to try to pressure the nominee to recuse herself from what appears to be the inevitable January election results case.

I retain one small glimmer of hope that while Romney's approval of a quick confirmation vote appears tp seal the deal, that doesn't necessarily mean the GOP will agree on Trump's first choice. That could delay things and prevent confirmation. But I think there's only a very small chance for this.


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    #26955069 - 09/25/20 08:30 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

The hand writing is pretty much on the wall. They are going to push somebody through just because they know theres a good chance of losing the election.


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    #26955464 - 09/26/20 02:39 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Women have no reason to complain about equality, and the Jews control the world. It's so obvious.



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    #26955484 - 09/26/20 02:54 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Yes he is


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    #26956082 - 09/26/20 12:51 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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    #26956412 - 09/26/20 04:56 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I was genuinely upset about this and without having read the thread I new u people would take this to political squabble instead of paying respects to a great American

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    #26956595 - 09/26/20 07:25 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

This is the political discussion forum, dude.  This isn't the forum to pay respects.


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    #26956622 - 09/26/20 07:42 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Well ur a douchearino

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    #27517580 - 10/25/21 02:31 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

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They are pushing this through before the election because they think Biden is going to win and the democrats will take the senate. On November 4th if Biden is president elect and the senate will be in the democrats hands come January, the democrats will be able to use the threat of court packing to deter filling the seat. The deal will be either give the nomination to Biden or keep it and Biden adds two more seats to the court.




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