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mistamonsta
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The less time I spend with people, the less time I want to spend with people 7
#26941643 - 09/18/20 02:47 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Not sure really how to begin, it has been a fair while since I posted a thread on here.
Feeling trapped, feeling lost, disconnected and disillusioned. 6 months of Melbourne iso lockdown got me all crazy
I am kinda disgusted with the whole of humanity right now; greed, racism, sexism, queerphobia, the new woke "thought police", cancel culture, Q-anon, Karens, Trump, my own disgusting and corrupt Australian government, climate deniers, coronavirus deniers, land rights deniers, human rights deniers  I really don't understand the world around me any more and the less time I spend with people, the less time I want to spend with people despite the crushing loneliness it brings. Maybe Im just a whiny malcontent as I was labelled 25 years ago  I used to be one of those liberal left wing douchebags who loved challenging authority and trying to make positive change as I saw necessary. I worked hard to learn to value both sides of an argument or issue and now somehow Im labelled centrist and get told that Im no longer relevant. You can't voice a balanced view any more, pick a side I am told.  "If your not with us, you are against us" sounds pretty familiar these days Why can't we all live and let live to some extent, be accepting/understanding of and compassionate to those we disagree with? Why is every single social, cultural and political issue divided into left vs right? When did humanity get so caught up in winning the argument as opposed to solving the problems we all face?  As I stated in the title, the more distance and detached I get the more distance I want. Part of me just wants to get out, leave somehow and forget the world as it is. I really feel like I don't fit in or belong any more and in truth, I kinda don't want to be a part of this shit show. I no longer feel justified in my actions for change, it is no more right for me to enforce my beliefs and opinions on others than it is for them to enforce theirs upon me. There are just too many competing voices in the world at the moment so I think I will keep mine to myself from now on
Can anyone offer any insights into these feelings of nihilism, misanthropy and apathy? And perhaps some advice on either overcoming or accepting it?
Cheers fellow shroomerites
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Re: The less time I spend with people, the less time I want to spend with people [Re: mistamonsta]
#26941649 - 09/18/20 02:57 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Nothing wrong with a bit of disconnection from media and the bullshit it offers. Focus on your world around you and your local community. It seems like people obsess over the macro scale of everything and become disillusioned with the real world around them. Kick social media and mass media out the door and never look back. You'll feel better.
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Re: The less time I spend with people, the less time I want to spend with people [Re: GreenHorns] 1
#26941657 - 09/18/20 03:15 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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My friend, get offline asap.
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Re: The less time I spend with people, the less time I want to spend with people [Re: tomnl] 1
#26941670 - 09/18/20 04:02 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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You are definitely not alone. I've avoided people already before this show started. And if I spend time with people then it's mostly with people that I've picked very carefully. I stopped watching the news just one month after the lockdown started as things seriously began to annoy me. And why do I really need to know what a politician has to say or about all the shitheads out there living out their destructive behavior?
Now I spend time doing what really matters to me. Raising my children, taking care of my garden, reconnect with nature and get creative in all kinds of ways.
You don't necessarily need people in your live, especially not the negative ones.
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Re: The less time I spend with people, the less time I want to spend with people [Re: mistamonsta]
#26941677 - 09/18/20 04:12 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Have you seen the film- into the wild, by sean penn? I think you would enjoy it. I've watched it heaps of times! Its my go to movie when i get the shits with society.
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Re: The less time I spend with people, the less time I want to spend with people [Re: The Thing]
#26941692 - 09/18/20 04:51 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks for commenting people, I really appreciate the input 
I wish it was as simple as turning off social media and news in general. I take in very little of that mind pollution as it is. I find the same issues and attitudes coming through in the conversations about politics, social issues and cultural problems, with coworkers, friends and family. Even Netflix has begun pushing agendas leaving me little escape or reprieve. I would think that disengaging with social media altogether would make me feel more ostracised, excluded and dislocated from the world, it was for this reason that I started using it four years ago after shunning it all my life Also consider that I am six months into a lockdown where I can't even leave my house for anything except essential reasons so there is little else to distract me. I haven't been allowed to work (Im a Chef) for six months. Hell, I can't even leave my 5km/3 mile local area to get some much needed time out in nature...
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Fridgedoor said: You are definitely not alone. I've avoided people already before this show started. And if I spend time with people then it's mostly with people that I've picked very carefully. I stopped watching the news just one month after the lockdown started as things seriously started to annoy me. And why do I really need to know what a politician has to say or about all the shitheads out there living out their destructive behavior?
Now I spend time doing what really matters. Raising my children, taking care of my garden, reconnect with nature.
You don't necessarily need people in your live, especially negative people.
This about where I am at. I am very eager to tune out of society at large and focus on my little microcosm but I feel guilty for it, like it is just another form of escapism. It feels like giving up to some extent and i find it hard to make peace with.
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The Thing said: Have you seen the film- into the wild, by sean penn? I think you would enjoy it. I've watched it heaps of times! Its my go to movie when i get the shits with society.
I actually watched this a few weeks back and didn't enjoy it. The lack of consideration that the main character shows for the people in his life and the lack of understanding or respect for nature and the power she wields kinda bothered me. I feel like the kid had a death wish and he got what he wanted... In saying that, yes I do feel like running away and doing something similar. I'm a big fan of Survivorman by Les Stroud, watch a few episodes of that and you can see where old mate from Into The Wild went wrong. Also check out the series Alone if you haven't already, that has been my go-to lately to remind myself that its not as simple as just running into the wild.
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Re: The less time I spend with people, the less time I want to spend with people [Re: mistamonsta] 1
#26941701 - 09/18/20 04:58 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Fuck everything else that's going on in the world, just only do and think things that are enjoyable or beneficial to you. Nothing about being nihilistic or apathetic, just focus on what you're doing and get your meaning or satisfaction from that. I also have no real interest any more in what's going on, call it conscientious objection or something
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Re: The less time I spend with people, the less time I want to spend with people [Re: mongo lloyd] 1
#26941710 - 09/18/20 05:08 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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...to remind myself that its not as simple as just running into the wild.
Exactly!
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Re: The less time I spend with people, the less time I want to spend with people [Re: The Thing]
#26941742 - 09/18/20 05:39 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Move to Alaska. Never see another stranger unless you want to. Never get stuck in traffic. Never wait to be seen at the emergency room or DMV. Join the Clown Party, heck you could run as ťheir candidate!(yes this is really a political party recognized by the state, its on my voter id). Be a nihilist, no one will care, because they are all nihilists! Become friends with people that also are not into people. Wear carhartt and work boots to meetings and interviews. Go pick out all of your new furniture at the community dump. Buy the latest fashions at Walmart, Costco or the grocery store. It's the Alaska way of life. Be the master of your own destiny, and fuck what other people think. And whether you stay where you are or drop out, make sure to vote in every single election you can so that your concerns can be heard, and you can feel a little less powerless. This too shall pass. Keep hope alive, get lots of hobbies, like house plants and growing edible and medicinal shrooms, learn about microdosing, become as self sufficient as possible. Don't rely on other people for happiness, and don't punish yourself for being yourself. This is what I do, hope it helps.
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Re: The less time I spend with people, the less time I want to spend with people [Re: mistamonsta] 6
#26941834 - 09/18/20 07:05 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Most major religions and philosophies have come to the same basic conclusion: the world is uncontrollable chaos, the importance lies in how you navigate through it and how you control the things you can control, your mind and actions.
If you're looking at an evil or dumb person and getting mad at them for being evil or dumb, essentially that's on you. You're not accepting reality as it is, you're wishing it to be what it will never be.
That's not to say you have to just be okay with everything going on, you just have to keep your focus in the present. If someone is in front of you telling you the earth is flat, correct them with a smile if you can, and the second they walk away, let it go. If you step outside and take a breath, things usually are pretty good. It's not the world the internet portrays. The mindlessness of others doesn't need to lead to mindlessness in yourself.
Outside of those with serious medical or mental health issues, most of our distress is our own doing, and most of it is caused by a lack of accepting things for how they are. Our egos seem to create a fairly rigid worldview in order to reinforce their own existence, and the existence of any other side or "enemy" creates a constant threat of destruction to an ego built on how it thinks the world should be.
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Re: The less time I spend with people, the less time I want to spend with people [Re: feevers]
#26941910 - 09/18/20 07:54 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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feevers said: Most major religions and philosophies have come to the same basic conclusion: the world is uncontrollable chaos, the importance lies in how you navigate through it and how you control the things you can control, your mind and actions.
If you're looking at an evil or dumb person and getting mad at them for being evil or dumb, essentially that's on you. You're not accepting reality as it is, you're wishing it to be what it will never be.
That's not to say you have to just be okay with everything going on, you just have to keep your focus in the present. If someone is in front of you telling you the earth is flat, correct them with a smile if you can, and the second they walk away, let it go. If you step outside and take a breath, things usually are pretty good. It's not the world the internet portrays. The mindlessness of others doesn't need to lead to mindlessness in yourself.
Outside of those with serious medical or mental health issues, most of our distress is our own doing, and most of it is caused by a lack of accepting things for how they are. Our egos seem to create a fairly rigid worldview in order to reinforce their own existence, and the existence of any other side or "enemy" creates a constant threat of destruction to an ego built on how it thinks the world should be.
   
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Re: The less time I spend with people, the less time I want to spend with people [Re: feevers] 1
#26949945 - 09/22/20 07:07 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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feevers said: Most major religions and philosophies have come to the same basic conclusion: the world is uncontrollable chaos, the importance lies in how you navigate through it and how you control the things you can control, your mind and actions.
If you're looking at an evil or dumb person and getting mad at them for being evil or dumb, essentially that's on you. You're not accepting reality as it is, you're wishing it to be what it will never be.
That's not to say you have to just be okay with everything going on, you just have to keep your focus in the present. If someone is in front of you telling you the earth is flat, correct them with a smile if you can, and the second they walk away, let it go. If you step outside and take a breath, things usually are pretty good. It's not the world the internet portrays. The mindlessness of others doesn't need to lead to mindlessness in yourself.
Outside of those with serious medical or mental health issues, most of our distress is our own doing, and most of it is caused by a lack of accepting things for how they are. Our egos seem to create a fairly rigid worldview in order to reinforce their own existence, and the existence of any other side or "enemy" creates a constant threat of destruction to an ego built on how it thinks the world should be.
Thanks for your input however I do find this to be a bit assumptive and reductionist in thinking. I have accepted that the universe is chaos yet also understand that we as conscious thinking beings wish to impose order upon it. I don't get mad at "people for being evil or dumb"; in fact it is quite the opposite: I treat all others opinions as if they are valid and try to understand their motivations, actions or beliefs. This is in part what I mean by my having a centrist view of political, social and cultural issues.
Upon reflection, I feel like my dislocation with the world at large stems from being too humble and modest. Perhaps it is from my "ego-death" experiences or the many times I have spent in deep contemplation and introspection. Those who know me might say that I suffer from low self esteem or a lack of confidence because I don't feel the need to inflict or enforce my beliefs and opinions on others. I just don't feel like I want a place in this world of oppressive politics, massive ego, active narcissism and overt self promotion.
The concept of democracy is not so much this current view of bipartisan politics where we are divided into factions and only the majority get what they want or need but that we should be fair, equitable, considerate, compassionate and understanding of those who disagree with us. I long for a society where we are genuinely inclusive and maximise benefit and security to all. If one does not perceive that they will get benefit from interacting with and contributing to a society then it is very unlikely for that individual or group to want to engage with said society. This is currently how I feel...
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Re: The less time I spend with people, the less time I want to spend with people [Re: mistamonsta] 1
#26951931 - 09/23/20 09:51 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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mistamonsta said: Can anyone offer any insights into these feelings of nihilism, misanthropy and apathy? And perhaps some advice on either overcoming or accepting it?
I feel you man; the struggle is real when one faces this world with an open heart.
Accepting it is all we can do, should we desire inner peace.
Just like the Buddhists keep saying.
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Re: The less time I spend with people, the less time I want to spend with people [Re: Jokeshopbeard] 1
#26952152 - 09/24/20 03:57 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I long for a society where we are genuinely inclusive and maximise benefit and security to all.
yeah me too, but im a realist
If one does not perceive that they will get benefit from interacting with and contributing to a society then it is very unlikely for that individual or group to want to engage with said society.
careful, this kinda thinking can go either way..
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I can relate to what your saying quite a lot man i just quoted those last two bits because i read them last heh but overall i can see where your comin from. Im not a huge fan of the human race generally speaking. If its living and working with like minded people in an alternative way of living to what your currently locked into.. have you looked into Multiple Occupancy communities? They strike me as the type of people that just gave society the finger and said we can do it our way and thrive. In the end you gotta do what's right for you hey.
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Re: The less time I spend with people, the less time I want to spend with people [Re: The Thing]
#26952322 - 09/24/20 08:22 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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The Thing said: I long for a society where we are genuinely inclusive and maximise benefit and security to all.
yeah me too, but im a realist
If one does not perceive that they will get benefit from interacting with and contributing to a society then it is very unlikely for that individual or group to want to engage with said society.
careful, this kinda thinking can go either way..
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I can relate to what your saying quite a lot man i just quoted those last two bits because i read them last heh but overall i can see where your comin from. Im not a huge fan of the human race generally speaking. If its living and working with like minded people in an alternative way of living to what your currently locked into.. have you looked into Multiple Occupancy communities? They strike me as the type of people that just gave society the finger and said we can do it our way and thrive. In the end you gotta do what's right for you hey.
yeah those communes are not the best environment for people in the long run. Do you see 70's, 80's, and 90 year old people there? Do you see physically and medically compromised people there? What kind of healthcare can a commune provide? What about a dentist? What about childbirth complications? Can a commune environment make needed meds for diabetics etc...?There's too many negatives that outweigh the positives IMHE.
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Re: The less time I spend with people, the less time I want to spend with people [Re: tyrannicalrex]
#26952351 - 09/24/20 08:58 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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yeah those communes are not the best environment for people in the long run. Do you see 70's, 80's, and 90 year old people there? Do you see physically and medically compromised people there? What kind of healthcare can a commune provide? What about a dentist? What about childbirth complications? Can a commune environment make needed meds for diabetics etc...?There's too many negatives that outweigh the positives IMHE.
The ones im thinking of are situated in nice lushes rain forrest areas around byron bay, northern nsw, australia. I really dont know much about actual life in one but its a nice to fantasize now and then. They are mostly not far from all services up there, you dont automatically forfeit all your rights to our free healthcare system if you buy into an MO. And they're not like a cult where you cant leave whenever you want. I still like them as an option over here. Just gotta have cash to buy in cos banks won't lend on em. Everyone helps build each others houses, well they used to. The Aus govmint changed laws directly relating to new MOs basically put the kybosh on new ones. So only way in now is when someone wants out and sells.
Also your kids may grow up a but wierd.
Not like "the village" weird.
Just different.
I dunno.
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Re: The less time I spend with people, the less time I want to spend with people [Re: The Thing]
#26952381 - 09/24/20 09:12 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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When I can't take it anymore, I up and move somewhere else in the country. Kept things fresh for awhile, but is isolating as I get older.
When I was in FL I joined an 'intentional community.' Twisted story short, it was a religious cult. Things are never what they seem, perception is supreme.
Keep to yourself and yours, but don't write off the world simultaneously.
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Re: The less time I spend with people, the less time I want to spend with people [Re: The Thing]
#26952410 - 09/24/20 09:29 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ahhh, Australia may change things a bit as far as the healthcare thing, but still seems to be a young person game/thing.
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