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And don't forget this is a very likely to be under counted statistic. We, as a nation, as fellow American's, really set the bar for how to tackle a pandemic. We should all feel collective shame at this, it was partly preventable but nope, we still managed to fuck it up and it's only gonna get worse. I'm thinking 400k+ by March next year. Condolences to anyone who has suffered or knows of someone suffering from this disease or who ha passed because of it. As a whole, the U.S. owes you a great deal more than an apology.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: Ice9]
#26941555 - 09/18/20 12:04 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Meh. The US has been shitting on the world with the 'American Dream' for the last 100 years.
It's a good observation, and a good realisation, but it's certainly nothing new.
I feel for anyone suffering under this cruel regime.
Many IRL friends included.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: Jokeshopbeard] 1
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family friend of mine will be joining that number before long. he is totally unresponsive for the last 48 hours. been hospitalized for, shit, two months? because of covid and resulting complications. hes been on a vent for most of that time and at this point it's inevitable that he isnt going to make it. there was brief period where he seemed to be getting better then he suddenly had a pulmonary embolism and it's been all downhill ever since
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: morrowasted] 1
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I'm so sorry to hear that Morrow.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: Ice9] 1
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I'd like to think that more than half of the deaths were Trump supporters.
There would at least be some poetic justice in that.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: Baby_Hitler]
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: Baby_Hitler]
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There would at least be some poetic justice in that.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: morrowasted]
#26942153 - 09/18/20 10:11 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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My aunt was one of the first to die of COVID in Holland.
Be strong
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: Asante] 1
#26942288 - 09/18/20 11:33 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I really cant see how this is America's fault or how America did anything uniquely wrong.
people have died of it all over the planet.
and the USA hasn't had their healthcare system overwhelmed so there haven't been a bunch of preventable deaths.
People have suggested the numbers could be too low or too high so let's just go with what we have. the USA death rate is far below many countries in Europe.
Many places have had their schools open for a long time. Sweden isn't recomending let alone mandating masks and they didnt lock down at all and now their death rate in trending down quickly as they have had almost no deaths for a long time despite a spike in the beggining.
Trump's travel bans early on were criticized.
I really dont see how the USA is so terrible and out of line with the rest of the world. you are all acting like there is a definite, observable, articulable thing that the USA did so wrong yet I haven't heard it mentioned in this thread. maybe gathering and rioting int he streets for months wasn't a great idea. sure there may have been mismanagement by governors like Cuomo forcing nursing hoke sto take covid positive patients back. but I dont see why everyone looks at the USA as so out of league with the rest of the world when everywhere has been hit.
It sucks that Covid spread to any humans regardlrss of where they are from and my condolences to anyone affected.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: BANANA.MAN]
#26942309 - 09/18/20 11:47 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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You are USA #1 fanboy.
Literally every time criticism of the place comes up, you're there defending it with lots of words.
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Jokeshopbeard said: You are USA #1 fanboy.
Literally every time criticism of the place comes up, you're there defending it with lots of words.
I just don't get what everyone's implying. I dont see what specific, observable actions the USA took that warrant such a disproportionately outraged reaction.
Its not about agreeing with everything USA does and this time its not even about my admiration for the US founding principals. its a disconnection from reality that I'm seeing among blind America haters who say everything is USAs fault. or at least a failure to articulate their problem.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: BANANA.MAN]
#26942319 - 09/18/20 11:56 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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They came out and admitted they exaggerated the numbers. So, they got people to take it seriously. Some people. Because there's a lot of idiots. They made it that way. Back in the 60's I believe the director of the CIA said that if the people don't believe in anything they say then they know their mission is complete. Quite verbatim but those are the facts. So they have to create a reaction for people to listen. Whether or not that is the motive remains to be seen but I think when it put that way it's almost humanitarian. Just try to LOCKDOWN fucking AMERICA the gun haven without a good public response, lol.
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larry.fisherman said: They came out and admitted they exaggerated the numbers. So, they got people to take it seriously. Some people. Because there's a lot of idiots. They made it that way. Back in the 60's I believe the director of the CIA said that if the people don't believe in anything they say then they know their mission is complete. Quite verbatim but those are the facts. So they have to create a reaction for people to listen. Whether or not that is the motive remains to be seen but I think when it put that way it's almost humanitarian. Just try to LOCKDOWN fucking AMERICA the gun haven without a good public response, lol.
Who admitted to exaggerating what numbers? the rest of that post is incomprehensible.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: BANANA.MAN] 1
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I just don't get what everyone's implying.
America: 20% of documented COVID dead. Also America: 4% of world population. Also America: best healthcare system in the world.
And you add, correctly: "and the USA hasn't had their healthcare system overwhelmed so there haven't been a bunch of preventable deaths."
Whats wrong with this picture?
Could it be that there is no discernible qualitative difference between what Trump plops into his golden toilet and what sits on it?
Could it be that the US authorities, in all their glory, handle this worse than Nigeria does?
Nigeria: 2.7% of the world population also Nigeria: 0.1% of documented COVID deaths
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: BANANA.MAN]
#26942330 - 09/18/20 12:04 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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The CDC. God you guys are simple sometimes.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: Asante]
#26942338 - 09/18/20 12:13 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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The numbers are exactly what HamHead has been saying for months. In all that arguing with him you guys literally learned nothing. He was being an idiot but you guys basically discredited everything he said. The CDC, said they were accounting shit like "This person committed suicide, but probably had COVID." That's a covid death. Ontario admitted to doing it. A bunch of other countries admitted to doing it. Arguing about the numbers only matters if you haven't been paying attention. Like, you're own little reaction culture, lol. Funny huh?
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: Asante]
#26942340 - 09/18/20 12:17 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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larry.fisherman said: The CDC. God you guys are simple sometimes.
what numbers? death numbers? Can I get a source? and can you explain how a lower deat rate in acctuallity is a bad thing?
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I just don't get what everyone's implying.
America: 20% of documented COVID dead. Also America: 4% of world population. Also America: best healthcare system in the world.
And you add, correctly: "and the USA hasn't had their healthcare system overwhelmed so there haven't been a bunch of preventable deaths."
Whats wrong with this picture?
Could it be that there is no discernible qualitative difference between what Trump plops into his golden toilet and what sits on it?
Could it be that the US authorities, in all their glory, handle this worse than Nigeria does?
Nigeria: 2.7% of the world population also Nigeria: 0.1% of documented COVID deaths
Lol so I geusyou're even more pissed off at all the European countries with death rates several times higher t the USA's including the Netherlands right?
yeah there havent been preventable deatgs due toverwhelming of the healthcare system so I dont see what deaths you can blame on management rather than nature for creating this virus.
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larry.fisherman said: The numbers are exactly what HamHead has been saying for months. In all that arguing with him you guys literally learned nothing. He was being an idiot but you guys basically discredited everything he said. The CDC, said they were accounting shit like "This person committed suicide, but probably had COVID." That's a covid death. Ontario admitted to doing it. A bunch of other countries admitted to doing it. Arguing about the numbers only matters if you haven't been paying attention. Like, you're own little reaction culture, lol. Funny huh?
yeah so what you're saying is in reality the death rate is even lower than the official numbers indicate which would presumably mean the USA is doing even better than it appears and they have a low death rate compared to some other countries.
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We went code red throughout the hospitals of most our country. We verged on code black.
We took draconian matters even in the absence of masks, they were not available then. The population, complied significantly.
We had a lot of dead compared to our citizenry but it simply was a lot worse here and authorities curbed a drama here.
In the US, the authorities curbed actually doing anything about it at all.
We're both sitting in a powder keg playing with matches.
The cold season will be brutal.
See you in 2021 if we make the list.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: Asante] 2
#26942348 - 09/18/20 12:23 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Asante said: We went code red throughout the hospitals of most our country. We verged on code black.
We took draconian matters even in the absence of masks, they were not available then. The population, complied significantly.
We had a lot of dead compared to our citizenry but it simply was a lot worse here and authorities curbed a drama here.
In the US, the authorities curbed actually doing anything about it at all.
We're both sitting in a powder keg playing with matches.
The cold season will be brutal.
See you in 2021 if we make the list.
lol so the netherlands was more impacted and didn't mandate masks unlike many places in USA but it doesn't matter because America bad, trump mean and orange. got it. I must say I remain unconvinced by you Asante.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: BANANA.MAN]
#26942351 - 09/18/20 12:25 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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yeah there havent been preventable deatgs due toverwhelming of the healthcare system so I dont see what deaths you can blame on management rather than nature for creating this virus.
Are you trolling?
Please re-elect Trump if he's so great. Like a nuke Trump's damage is greatest nearest to him so, reelect the guy.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: Asante]
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yeah there havent been preventable deatgs due toverwhelming of the healthcare system so I dont see what deaths you can blame on management rather than nature for creating this virus.
Are you trolling?
Please re-elect Trump if he's so great. Like a nuke Trump's damage is greatest nearest to him so, reelect the guy.
I'm not an American citizen and can't vote for trump.
Lol you used the numbers to say USA is doing worse than Nigeria but won't follow YOUR OWN logic to the realization that by that metric the netherlands has done worse than USA. no self awareness.
I dont see what problem you have with the post you quoted its true. you can't blame deasths that weren't preventable on mismanagement. Nature caused the virus. not USA.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: BANANA.MAN]
#26942372 - 09/18/20 12:42 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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We took draconian matters even in the absence of masks, they were not available then. The population, complied significantly.
lol so the netherlands was more impacted and didn't mandate masks unlike many places in USA
There were no masks available in the beginning of the pandemic.
Since you insist on going there:
America: 20% of documented COVID dead. Also America: 4% of world population. = 5x world average
Holland: 0.6% of documented COVID dead. Also Holland: 0.22% of world population. = 2.7x world average
Holland did about twice better during their national emergency than the US during their first brush with COVID.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: Asante]
#26942382 - 09/18/20 12:48 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Netherlands
6266 ÷ 88 073 × 100 = 7.11%
USA
198 000 ÷ 6 700 000 × 100 = 2.95%
lol @ the beggining of the pandemic. back then only east Asian countries even gave masks any praise. everyone else had a negative opinion of them including most western experts.
the netherlands is still not advising let alone mandating masks. so i don't see how you're blaming the usa for "doing nothing" when its done more than the netherlands in that regard.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: BANANA.MAN]
#26942387 - 09/18/20 12:54 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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We are talking DEAD, Banana Man.
Yes, we were much harder hit as to cases of illness.
Yes, we kept lethality way down compared to the USA.
Calculate the dead this time, not the number of illnesses.
You have about 200,000 DEAD, we have about 5600.
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Seems like "socialist health care" won it from "the best health care in the world"
Holland is led by a bunch of pig turds too, the difference is that the Dutch don't do mental gymnastic to deny that their leaders are pig turds. We dont compulsively have to be #1.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: Asante]
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Asante said: We are talking DEAD, Banana Man.
Yes, we were much harder hit as to cases of illness.
Yes, we kept lethality way down compared to the USA.
Calculate the dead this time, not the number of illnesses.
You have about 200,000 DEAD, we have about 5600.
Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19
Seems like "socialist health care" won it from "the best health care in the world"
Holland is led by a bunch of pig turds too, the difference is that the Dutch don't do mental gymnastic to deny that their leaders are pig turds. We dont compulsively have to be #1.
I am counting dead. did you even look at the numbers I posted? I calculated the CFR of netherlands vs usa. netherlands has a higher fatality rate.
you did not keep the lethality down compared to USA. and even if you had, I'm asking a question that you have consistently ignored or given vague responses to. What did the USA do wrong that proves the disparity you have in your mind is due to management and not circumstance?
Idk why you are saying you when im not American.
The USA hasnt been overwhelmed so idk how on earth you could blame the death rate (which is lower than the netherlands death rate btw) on the strength of the healthcare you are just looking for anything to confirm your bias. so shameless.
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the netherlands is still not advising let alone mandating masks. so i don't see how you're blaming the usa for "doing nothing" when its done more than the netherlands in that regard.
We are near the bottom of the graph of rate of currently infected., the US is near its peak.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: Asante]
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What did the USA do wrong that proves the disparity you have in your mind is due to management and not circumstance?
Completely ignore the pandemic in the first months?
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: Asante]
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the netherlands is still not advising let alone mandating masks. so i don't see how you're blaming the usa for "doing nothing" when its done more than the netherlands in that regard.
We are near the bottom of the graph of rate of currently infected., the US is near its peak.
near its peak without overwhelm? sounds like a success as the whole point of lovking down was to get passed the peak without overwhelm.
if one country gets through the curve faster but doesn't overwhelm the healthcare system causing preventable deaths how have they done any worse than a country that took longer to get through the curve?
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: Asante]
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What did the USA do wrong that proves the disparity you have in your mind is due to management and not circumstance?
Completely ignore the pandemic in the first months?
lol how? you're being vague and dishonest again.
Trump's early action was criticized by many.
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It's like trying to converse with a brick wall isn't it?
Just be happy you don't live here; it's like this communicating with the majority of people here.
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Jokeshopbeard said: It's like trying to converse with a brick wall isn't it?
Just be happy you don't live here; I deal with this shit with the vast majority of humans I communicate with here.
lol its not my fault he has no response to my valid points and hasnt thought through his own position thoroughly enough to rationalize it at all and had to resort to vague untruths.
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Just be happy you don't live here
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No, he was entirely valid.
You just seem incapable of looking at the USA with any sense of rationality.
As I said earlier, this is faaaar from the first time you've jumped on your soapbox to defend the country; it's your modus operandi at this point.
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So in the USA about 0,0006% of the population died, here in NL its a bit over 0,0003%
No need to get all upset about it
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Jokeshopbeard said: No, he was entirely valid.
You just seem incapable of looking at the USA with any sense of rationality.
As I said earlier, this is faaaar from the first time you've jumped on your soapbox to defend the country; it's your modus operandi at this point.
none of asates points were valid and he didnt even realize that i WAS comparing death rates between the two countries
im not eve necessarily defending USA im asking someone to articulate specifically what the usa has done wrong in comparison to other countries. win me over man im willing to hear you out.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: Tripsurfer]
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Tripsurfer said: So in the USA about 0,0006% of the population died, here in NL its a bit over 0,0003%
No need to get all upset about it
exactly I dont see how the two countries are on such different levels in Asantes mind. and NL has had a lower percentage of the population infected so the cfr is higher if anything the netherlands has done worse. im not blaming that on the netherlands though or claiming that they have done such a terrible job that is so out of line with the rest of the world. idk why so many people direct such a disproportionate amount of outrage at the USA without articulating what they have done so uniquely wrong.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: BANANA.MAN]
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BANANA.MAN said: win me over man im willing to hear you out.
No, you're a lost cause. Just like Asante, I fold when it comes to you and the USA.
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BANANA.MAN said: win me over man im willing to hear you out.
No, you're a lost cause. Just like Asante, I fold when it comes to you and the USA.
well then I have no reason to change my mind because I have heard a bunch of criticism of the US covid response but I havent heard a single truthful rationale behind that sentiment.
I want to hear rational arguments from people I disagree with. I want an elevated discourse. I want to be able to work with people I disagree with. I dont wanna do a gotcha or bicker I want to hear how you justify the ideas you promulgate so people can understand each other. understanding and acknowledging a problem is the first step to fixing it. We cant help eahother fix problems wif we dont identify them. no ill will man, only love.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: BANANA.MAN] 2
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I think we can all agree that people in charge the world over are just as clueless as us regular folks down in the slums
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My Fiance passed from Covid, watching her die in two weeks fucking sucked. Still does I miss the woman so bad...Aimee Orme March 14 2020 RIP angel....
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: superbob57]
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There were no masks available in the beginning of the pandemic.
Masks have been used for hundreds of years if not thousands, so this is not a new thing.
While supply chains were disrupted due to the human reaction, masks have always been obtainable, at least for those with access to the Internet and a mailing address. Hell, even in the very thread you have blocked my view of there was a link provided for easy order.
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Mother Earth always cleanses herself when species (US) get out of hand. When we stop capitalizing on Health (Life/Death) we will start to see the light; unfortunately it's going to be awhile before this contagious greed dies out.
We need to draw a line somewhere, and for capitalism it's literally Life/Death.
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larry.fisherman said: The numbers are exactly what HamHead has been saying for months. In all that arguing with him you guys literally learned nothing. He was being an idiot but you guys basically discredited everything he said. The CDC, said they were accounting shit like "This person committed suicide, but probably had COVID." That's a covid death. Ontario admitted to doing it. A bunch of other countries admitted to doing it. Arguing about the numbers only matters if you haven't been paying attention. Like, you're own little reaction culture, lol. Funny huh?
Pretty much every major news source(even including ultra coservative Fox News and World Economics) and many independent ones have reported that the real death toll is without a doubt higher than the official count. Pretty much anyone working in healthcare will tell you the same. Many deaths occur in homes or nursing facilities and are never tested let alone counted. Covid also directly leads to a myriad of secondary complications, such as pneumonia, blood clots and heart damage, that are dropping people weeks after they are no longer a covid case, as has happened to two of my family members already.
My wife works for one of the largest hospitals on the east coast and it was like a war zone when covid peaked here, they have never seen anything even 1/1000th of that magnitude in terms of influx of severely sick patients, and that was with a shutdown in place and people taking precautions. Her hospital alone had 400 on the covid ward and 100 at any given time in the covid ICU. During a bad flu season, they'll have maybe 3-5 flu patients at a time.
No, the counts are not being inflated by people getting hit by buses or committing suicide and being counted as COVID deaths. Even if that were actually try and the illuminati or whoever were making sure it happened 100% of the time, the amount of people dying during the exact 7-14 days they have a deadly pandemic virus in their system, but their death was unrelated to the virus, would be so miniscule it would have absolutely no statistical significance.
Doing some actual research into how a covid death is counted, why all cause mortality has sky rocketed in every area hit by covid, how covid affects the body and will cause a high number of 'indirect' deaths that will not be counted, would all be good places to start if you want to actually know the facts about what you're spouting. It really is common sense at this point to anyone who's paying attention and can parse the easily available data.. the deadly virus is doing what deadly viruses do, and being deadly.
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Luckily for us, socialism is very self cleansing in nature
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People need to wake up and realize that the pandemic is only an issue due to the extremely unhealthy lifestyles everyone is living.
It is unfortunate that the elderly and otherwise compromised individuals are at risk, and are unduly impacted by the actions of others. Let's protect them, agreed.
But when people turn a deaf ear to health advice for decades and then something comes along that takes them out...
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But when people turn a deaf ear to health advice for decades
people generally follow the health advice the best they can, the problem is the health advice they have been given us for decades is to eat a low-fat low-calorie diet, untill the year 2000 they even told us to eat sugar, because it was low fat, heart healthy choice, in the year 2000 when they started telling us to not eat so much sugar, sugar consumption started to drop, it wasnt even till the last couple years they started telling us there is healthy fats such as those from nuts and avacado and its okay to eat those, they told us to eat less fat, and we did, we ate less fat and more carbohydrates, they told us to eat less sugar, and sugar consumption started to drop, wasnt untill recently that the canada food guide said to eat more veggies and less whole grains, but whole grains are still supposed to be 25% of our diet
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Stop lying. Nobody has ever been told to "eat sugar" as health advice.
People have been eating healthy for millennia, it isn't like survival is something new.
Nowadays people are addicted to unhealthy food and want to make every excuse possible.
Quit acting like it is hard or difficult to simply be healthy. Most of life on the earth accomplishes it day in and day out.
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ok reducing sugar has been in the dietary guidelines since the 70's but it was mostly ignored, companies would pull the fat out of products, replace it with sugar and they could then market it as heart healthy(even sugary breakfast cereals today have the heart healthy designation), we were too focused on vilifying fat to vilify sugar for decades and until very recently were told it could be part of a healthy diet, sugar consumption started to drop when they told us to stop eating it, people follow the guidelines the best they can
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BANANA.MAN said: I really cant see how this is America's fault or how America did anything uniquely wrong.
people have died of it all over the planet.
and the USA hasn't had their healthcare system overwhelmed so there haven't been a bunch of preventable deaths.
People have suggested the numbers could be too low or too high so let's just go with what we have. the USA death rate is far below many countries in Europe.
Many places have had their schools open for a long time. Sweden isn't recomending let alone mandating masks and they didnt lock down at all and now their death rate in trending down quickly as they have had almost no deaths for a long time despite a spike in the beggining.
Trump's travel bans early on were criticized.
I really dont see how the USA is so terrible and out of line with the rest of the world. you are all acting like there is a definite, observable, articulable thing that the USA did so wrong yet I haven't heard it mentioned in this thread. maybe gathering and rioting int he streets for months wasn't a great idea. sure there may have been mismanagement by governors like Cuomo forcing nursing hoke sto take covid positive patients back. but I dont see why everyone looks at the USA as so out of league with the rest of the world when everywhere has been hit.
It sucks that Covid spread to any humans regardlrss of where they are from and my condolences to anyone affected.
How can you not see it?
Trump lied from the beginning. Down playing it, then saying it was going to go away in a day or two, then by summer. Then saying masks do nothing and discouraging people from wearing masks.
Trump acted months too late.
His travel ban was a failure, and came way too late, like everything else.
He should have locked everybody down for 2 weeks to a month or as long as it took to get testing to sick people and exposed. Then we have an idea of who has it.
Factories should be making more test kits so everyone can get tested and get the results the same day.
During that time he should have implemented contact tracing through a phone app so we could see who was exposed to who and when.
He should have had us working together to stay safe, follow policies, and to find a cure. Not dividing us and bad mouthing scientists and doctors.
That is just easy tip of the iceberg obvious stuff that should have been done. Our government had the power to stop this a failed miserably and continues to fail miserably because of their pride and non willingness to admit mistakes and bad policies.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: Lophosaurus]
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Sugar, unlike most starch, contains high levels of fructose. If you eat more than half an ounce of fructose a day, the liver is forced to process it into body fat and store it, leaving you with a caloric deficit because you stashed it, not burned it, and thus you are more hungry than you would have been if the sugar calories had been starch or fat.
So yes, sugar in excess of 1 ounce a day is FATTENING and many people eat more like 3-4 ounces.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: Asante]
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furthermore fructose dosnt make it outta the liver, its stashed as visceral fat instead of subcutaneous fat, contributing to non-alcoholic fatty liver disease
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: Lophosaurus]
#26943589 - 09/19/20 06:05 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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BANANA.MAN said: I really cant see how this is America's fault or how America did anything uniquely wrong.
people have died of it all over the planet.
and the USA hasn't had their healthcare system overwhelmed so there haven't been a bunch of preventable deaths.
People have suggested the numbers could be too low or too high so let's just go with what we have. the USA death rate is far below many countries in Europe.
Many places have had their schools open for a long time. Sweden isn't recomending let alone mandating masks and they didnt lock down at all and now their death rate in trending down quickly as they have had almost no deaths for a long time despite a spike in the beggining.
Trump's travel bans early on were criticized.
I really dont see how the USA is so terrible and out of line with the rest of the world. you are all acting like there is a definite, observable, articulable thing that the USA did so wrong yet I haven't heard it mentioned in this thread. maybe gathering and rioting int he streets for months wasn't a great idea. sure there may have been mismanagement by governors like Cuomo forcing nursing hoke sto take covid positive patients back. but I dont see why everyone looks at the USA as so out of league with the rest of the world when everywhere has been hit.
It sucks that Covid spread to any humans regardlrss of where they are from and my condolences to anyone affected.
How can you not see it?
Trump lied from the beginning. Down playing it, then saying it was going to go away in a day or two, then by summer. Then saying masks do nothing and discouraging people from wearing masks.
Trump acted months too late.
His travel ban was a failure, and came way too late, like everything else.
He should have locked everybody down for 2 weeks to a month or as long as it took to get testing to sick people and exposed. Then we have an idea of who has it.
Factories should be making more test kits so everyone can get tested and get the results the same day.
During that time he should have implemented contact tracing through a phone app so we could see who was exposed to who and when.
He should have had us working together to stay safe, follow policies, and to find a cure. Not dividing us and bad mouthing scientists and doctors.
That is just easy tip of the iceberg obvious stuff that should have been done. Our government had the power to stop this a failed miserably and continues to fail miserably because of their pride and non willingness to admit mistakes and bad policies.
And what about the countries that didn't lock down and did fine? That alone makes this point moot. This thread really exemplifies to me that a lot of y'all lost asf on this shit
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Dont forget the huge disagreements within the scientific community itself
I mean its like national agencies doing 180's on what the WHO is claiming
No matter what you do, your political adversaries will claim its the wrong thing
Personally I dont know what to think of the whole situation
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: gopher]
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gopher said: furthermore fructose dosnt make it outta the liver, its stashed as visceral fat instead of subcutaneous fat, contributing to non-alcoholic fatty liver disease
This doesnt tend to be a problem for people eating fruit though, its more of a problem drinking a bunch of high fructose corn syrup or eating a bunch of sucrose at one time- soft drinks, donuts, cakes, etc.
Anecdotally, I eat quite a lot of fruit and my triglyceride levels are really low- (not to mention that I am obviously in shape). I think the fiber plays a role in reducing the rate at which the liver has to process the fructose and also reduces triglyceride and cholesterol levels
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: morrowasted]
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yeah in nature sugars come with fibre, except for honey, but that comes with bees, if sugar is a poison, fibre is the antidote, I still dont trust fruit 100% its not the same fruit as in the paleolithic, well some berries are still low sugar, I try not to have more than 1-2 servings of fruit a day, but then I ruin it some days by haveing 1-2 servings of sugary junkfood like oreos or something LOL, Id probably be better off eating all the fruit I could at that point
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: gopher]
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I pray to finally get some good news
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: Tripsurfer]
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Their are no disagreements in the scientific community itself(outside a few people being paid handsomely to promote disinformation), instead what are you seeing within the scientific community is how information is shared and reviewed in real time during an emergency. A paper will come on the totally novel virus, it will be discussed, likely another sever other labs try replicate the papers data, and if they cannot those conclusions will be discarded. But because of preprint servers, and how fast information is disseminated now, people have already heard their conclusions, seen it was a legit scientific group with all the bona fides expected and take it ass gospel, then when it is refuted, the individual people have an emotional reaction to something they thought was true but turned out to be false, and per usual double down on that nonsense, instead of understanding science is iterative and rarely gets it "fight the fist time".
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BANANA.MAN said: I really cant see how this is America's fault or how America did anything uniquely wrong.
people have died of it all over the planet.
and the USA hasn't had their healthcare system overwhelmed so there haven't been a bunch of preventable deaths.
People have suggested the numbers could be too low or too high so let's just go with what we have. the USA death rate is far below many countries in Europe.
Many places have had their schools open for a long time. Sweden isn't recomending let alone mandating masks and they didnt lock down at all and now their death rate in trending down quickly as they have had almost no deaths for a long time despite a spike in the beggining.
Trump's travel bans early on were criticized.
I really dont see how the USA is so terrible and out of line with the rest of the world. you are all acting like there is a definite, observable, articulable thing that the USA did so wrong yet I haven't heard it mentioned in this thread. maybe gathering and rioting int he streets for months wasn't a great idea. sure there may have been mismanagement by governors like Cuomo forcing nursing hoke sto take covid positive patients back. but I dont see why everyone looks at the USA as so out of league with the rest of the world when everywhere has been hit.
It sucks that Covid spread to any humans regardlrss of where they are from and my condolences to anyone affected.
How can you not see it?
Trump lied from the beginning. Down playing it, then saying it was going to go away in a day or two, then by summer. Then saying masks do nothing and discouraging people from wearing masks.
Trump acted months too late.
His travel ban was a failure, and came way too late, like everything else.
He should have locked everybody down for 2 weeks to a month or as long as it took to get testing to sick people and exposed. Then we have an idea of who has it.
Factories should be making more test kits so everyone can get tested and get the results the same day.
During that time he should have implemented contact tracing through a phone app so we could see who was exposed to who and when.
He should have had us working together to stay safe, follow policies, and to find a cure. Not dividing us and bad mouthing scientists and doctors.
That is just easy tip of the iceberg obvious stuff that should have been done. Our government had the power to stop this a failed miserably and continues to fail miserably because of their pride and non willingness to admit mistakes and bad policies.
And what about the countries that didn't lock down and did fine? That alone makes this point moot. This thread really exemplifies to me that a lot of y'all lost asf on this shit 
What countries didn't lock down and did fine? I don't see any evidence of that anywhere.
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And what about the countries that didn't lock down and did fine? That alone makes this point moot. This thread really exemplifies to me that a lot of y'all lost asf on this shit 
See Sweden, compare to other Nordic countries, tell me again how countries that didn't lock down did just fine.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: Ice9]
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Damn I am glad I hopped on this thread, I stopped looking at the Netherlands data because they had pretty much declared they beat the virus a long time ago,
Well look at them now lol
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: budmanman]
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budmanman said: Damn I am glad I hopped on this thread, I stopped looking at the Netherlands data because they had pretty much declared they beat the virus a long time ago,
Well look at them now lol

Why do you think that is, what accounts for the not increasing rate of infection and uptick (presumably) in the positivity rates of tests given? Has people's behaviors changed since the "pretty much declared they beat the virus". If you were actually interested in knowing what is going on, and not cherry picking data that confirms your biases you would be asking these questions and searching for answers to them. You are not, so for the time being I will simply dismiss your posts as those of a person with high school education who knows how to copy paste confirming information.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: Lophosaurus]
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How can you not see it?
guess some of us aren’t hypochondriacs.
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Trump lied from the beginning. Down playing it,
It was smart of him to not cause a national panic.
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then saying it was going to go away in a day or two, then by summer.
Then saying masks do nothing and discouraging people from wearing masks.
Dont remember him saying that, I think Dr. Faucci did, though.
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Trump acted months too late.
He pretty much did everything on time.
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His travel ban was a failure, and came way too late,
sure it did. I guess.
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like everything else.
Like what?
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He should have locked everybody down for 2 weeks to a month
He did.
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or as long as it took to get testing to sick people and exposed.
Do you know what kind of fascism we’d have to be under to accomplish this?
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Then we have an idea of who has it.
After forcing the US population to be tested, we’d definitely have an idea.
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Factories should be making more test kits so everyone can get tested and get the results the same day.
They are, it’s just in China. And they don’t work that quick.
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During that time he should have implemented contact tracing through a phone app so we could see who was exposed to who and when.
So you want the government to watch everybody? Over a flu?
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: Ice9]
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I don't even need to know whats going on, we already knew from day 1 that it was just to not overwhelm hospitals, you know, the shut downs and social distancing, that is it, it wasn't to defeat the virus, you can't just defeat a virus unless you catch it early enough and then you will just have to isolate from the rest of the world for all eternity other wise the virus will just wind up there again spreading and you are back at square one.
A vaccine can help but won't be 100% effective and many people won't even bother taking it.
You just have to accept there is a virus.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: lowbrow]
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He should have had us working together to stay safe, follow policies,
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and to find a cure.
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Not dividing us and bad mouthing scientists and doctors.
Like who and when?
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That is just easy tip of the iceberg obvious stuff that should have been done.
I guess.
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Our government had the power to stop this a failed miserably
To stop a virus? Uhhh, no. Also ‘and’ not ‘a’.
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and continues to fail miserably because of their pride and non willingness to admit mistakes and bad policies.
I think that’s more of a state thing, not the government.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: lowbrow]
#26943911 - 09/19/20 11:14 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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2 weeks to slow the spread, multiple months of shut downs, mask mandates, social distancing, arresting people for throwing a party, or weddings etc lol and people want even more government intrusion, not only that but tRuMpS intrusion into controlling their lives.
The whole thing is just ridiculous.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: Ice9]
#26943912 - 09/19/20 11:15 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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World Health Organization (WHO) estimates that the flu kills 290,000 to 650,000 people per year.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: Kelazam]
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So far globally 953,318 people have died of covid 19 and it is novel so everyone is getting their first time exposure to it making it a tad worse, it will eliminate people with improper genetic code to respond to it after its first or 2nd global rounds, it will become a common cold.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: budmanman]
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When the y pee poo first came to America their common colds fuck up the natives, now natives do just fine with a our common colds.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: budmanman]
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"When the Europeans arrived, carrying germs which thrived in dense, semi-urban populations, the indigenous people of the Americas were effectively doomed. They had never experienced smallpox, measles or flu before, and the viruses tore through the continent, killing an estimated 90% of Native Americans."
They got rekt because they got first time exposure absolutely no genetic resistance in their gene pool.
https://www.pbs.org/gunsgermssteel/variables/smallpox.html#:~:text=When%20the%20Europeans%20arrived%2C%20carrying,estimated%2090%25%20of%20Native%20Americans.
"Smallpox was lethal to many Native Americans, bringing sweeping epidemics and affecting the same tribes repeatedly. Certain cultural and biological traits made Native Americans more susceptible to these diseases. Emphasis placed on visiting the sick led to the spread of disease through continual contact."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_American_disease_and_epidemics#:~:text=Smallpox%20was%20lethal%20to%20many,of%20disease%20through%20continual%20contact.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: Kelazam]
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Worldwide, with a population of 7.8billion. Covid-19 has killed 200k people in a country with a population of 331 million. Do the math, which is worse.
Also, you are disingenious with that reply, making anything you post suspect.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: budmanman]
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budmanman said: "When the Europeans arrived, carrying germs which thrived in dense, semi-urban populations, the indigenous people of the Americas were effectively doomed. They had never experienced smallpox, measles or flu before, and the viruses tore through the continent, killing an estimated 90% of Native Americans."
They got rekt because they got first time exposure absolutely no genetic resistance in their gene pool.
https://www.pbs.org/gunsgermssteel/variables/smallpox.html#:~:text=When%20the%20Europeans%20arrived%2C%20carrying,estimated%2090%25%20of%20Native%20Americans.
"Smallpox was lethal to many Native Americans, bringing sweeping epidemics and affecting the same tribes repeatedly. Certain cultural and biological traits made Native Americans more susceptible to these diseases. Emphasis placed on visiting the sick led to the spread of disease through continual contact."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_American_disease_and_epidemics#:~:text=Smallpox%20was%20lethal%20to%20many,of%20disease%20through%20continual%20contact.
In 18th-century Europe, it is estimated that 400,000 people died from the disease per year, and that one-third of all cases of blindness were due to smallpox.[10][14] These deaths included six monarchs.[10][14] Smallpox is estimated to have killed up to 300 million people in the 20th century[15][16] and around 500 million people in the last 100 years of its existence.[17] As recently as 1967, 15 million cases occurred a year.[10]
Europeans weren't exactly immune to small pox either.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: Ice9]
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Yeah it is a very nasty aggressive and dangerous disease, some diseases are so deadly they kill everyone, like AIDs cept a few small % are actually immune to it, genetically, over time a disease that deadly un regulated would kill everyone without the genetic markers but human intervention has made sure that will never happen.
But the indians had 0 genetic markers and not 100's of years of evolution with the disease which is why the diseases rekt 90% of them, it wasn't reking 90% of y pee poo
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: budmanman]
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I wouldn't be surprised that when chicken pox first first entered humans it was probably super fucking deadly, in fact we didn't even know the difference between small pox and chicken pox until 1888 so a lot of those native Americans were probably dying to fucking chicken pox lol.
"Chickenpox was not separated from smallpox until the late 19th century. In 1888 its connection to shingles was determined."
Apparently it was much later than 1888 that we could tell the difference lol.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: Ice9]
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First off, it's spelled "disingenuous". I don't know what makes you think that of me but whatever man. I'm 18 and I took university level high school classes with grades no lower then 90% Just be quite if you are going to be a negative little shit please
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: Kelazam]
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Oh and also I forgot to add, the flu has a damn vaccine distributed in mass globally and it still kills that many people, meanwhile covid 19 has no vaccine and is only killing in the lead but a not scary horrific number.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: Lophosaurus]
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Most people said it was going away back then. Nobody could have known how this was going to play out back when Trump said it was going away. that was very early on and we just didn't have any information and he decided to say something comforting. point to his acctual policy please. He wasn't the first to restrict travel from China but it wasn't super late compared to the rest of the world either. it was a pretty similar time to the rest of the world yet he was critcized for his travel bans by many people including his future opponent Joe Biden who now flipped and says he did it too late because he's a shameless partisan hack. originally he said it was "fearmongering" among other things. Another voice speaking out against restricting travel was the WHO. I dont see how he's so uniquely late to restrixt travel from china and Europe when he wasnt the first but not the last either and he did so against the wishes of certain influential parties. and no other countries were able to prevent themselves from being seeded with travel restrictions. so how does that show that America did so much worse than the rest of the world?
Everyone was discouraging people from wearing masks. Faucci even said he told people masks weren't necessary not because they weren't effective but because he didn't want to create a shortage. some places in Europe still aren't mandating masks. Thats a poor example of uniquely American failure. for a long time Americans had one of the highest percentage of mask wearers in the world, well above many other western countries.
it wasn't up to the federal government to lock down. besides nobody got through this after "locking down for two weeks" not America, not anybody so are you placing equal blame on every other country?
there weren't enough test kits everywhere.
The government cant force people to sign up for contract tracing apps in the united States. I can imagine even the most Liberal courts would rule that it was constitutional to do so.
How has he been divisive? Democrats are the ones saying everything Trump does is bad and hes so much worse than anyone else for no reason. thats division. none of the points you are making against trump are valid reasons why he acted so uniquely wrong and out of line with the rest of the world but the facts don't matter to you. that sounds like what you're accusing trump of.
BTW Sweden didn't lock down and has been sitting at close to no deaths for quite a while now.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: budmanman]
#26943986 - 09/19/20 11:55 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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More people die from McDonalds ffs More people die from suicide More people die from cancer More people die from heart disease More people die from mosquitoes I went to this website for this information https://fullfact.org/online/coronavirus-daily-deaths/
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: Ice9]
#26943989 - 09/19/20 11:55 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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You are right about that
Still, I see experts discussing the effectiveness of face masks for example. Mandatory here, not mandatory there...
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: Ice9]
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And what about the countries that didn't lock down and did fine? That alone makes this point moot. This thread really exemplifies to me that a lot of y'all lost asf on this shit 
See Sweden, compare to other Nordic countries, tell me again how countries that didn't lock down did just fine. 
its been sitting at almost no deaths for a long time it had a spike in the beggining with lots of death but the other nordic countries haven't had as much infection as Sweden yet. If at the end of this other nordic countries have similar death rates when they catch up then you can't say Sweden did any worse. its disingenuous to compare two different countries at two different stages.
this isn't the first time I've explained this to you. now its starting to look like you are being purposefully deceptive rather than ignorant.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: Tripsurfer]
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Some experts have an immoral agenda that is backed up by the "aThOrItIeS" that started this whole propaganda scheme to benefit only the rich and powerful
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: Kelazam]
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The problem is, is the experts don't know jack shit and it is pathetic.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: budmanman]
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I read an interview with the head of our national health centre or some similar institute
She came accros as borderline retarded. The virus caught them off guard Bunch of guys on a drug forum saw this coming weeks in advance, and the fucking people getting paid tons a year to monitor these things didnt see shit.
On top of that she went on vacation for 3 weeks during the summer, because thats what you do 
Absolutely clueless!
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: BANANA.MAN]
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And what about the countries that didn't lock down and did fine? That alone makes this point moot. This thread really exemplifies to me that a lot of y'all lost asf on this shit 
See Sweden, compare to other Nordic countries, tell me again how countries that didn't lock down did just fine. 
its been sitting at almost no deaths for a long time it had a spike in the beggining with lots of death but the other nordic countries haven't had as much infection as Sweden yet. If at the end of this other nordic countries have similar death rates when they catch up then you can't say Sweden did any worse. its disingenuous to compare two different countries at two different stages.
this isn't the first time I've explained this to you. now its starting to look like you are being purposefully deceptive rather than ignorant.
Sort of like when people hold up Sweden as a shining example of a successful non-lockdown, but fail to mention the super high rate of single person households.
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And what about the countries that didn't lock down and did fine? That alone makes this point moot. This thread really exemplifies to me that a lot of y'all lost asf on this shit 
See Sweden, compare to other Nordic countries, tell me again how countries that didn't lock down did just fine. 
its been sitting at almost no deaths for a long time it had a spike in the beggining with lots of death but the other nordic countries haven't had as much infection as Sweden yet. If at the end of this other nordic countries have similar death rates when they catch up then you can't say Sweden did any worse. its disingenuous to compare two different countries at two different stages.
this isn't the first time I've explained this to you. now its starting to look like you are being purposefully deceptive rather than ignorant.
Sort of like when people hold up Sweden as a shining example of a successful non-lockdown, but fail to mention the super high rate of single person households.
Presumably if there is no lockdown all those people who live alone are stil coming in contact with each other anyway. It surely makes it easier to protect vulnerable people by sectioning them off (which Sweden started doing too late) so I'm sure it has helped with the deaths but we have seen that same spike in deaths in the beggining with a sustained period of almost n deaths in other places besides Sweden like for example the EXACT same thing happened all over Europe in places like italy, france, UK and in many places here in North America. Even in spain where everyone lives together, they followed the same trend as Sweden. here in Ontario aswell we had a spike in deaths in the beginning but like none now and for quite a while. Most places follow te same trend. Sweden did so without forcefully shutting down their economy.
thats not at all the same thing as comparing the deaths in a country with 88k cases against countries with like 10-20k infected so far.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: BANANA.MAN]
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Yes, but they aren't bringing it home to a bunch of housemates they live in close quarters with, the sort of situation that maximizes the chance of transmission.
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Me and my wife had the virus and I live with 2 other people, we just stayed away from them once we knew we had the virus and we prevented them from catching it.
Common decency and basic hygiene plus self isolation once infected is how you beat it,
Quarantining the healthy doesn't do a whole lot.
The solution is a well educated populous.
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I read an interview with the head of our national health centre or some similar institute
She came accros as borderline retarded. The virus caught them off guard Bunch of guys on a drug forum saw this coming weeks in advance, and the fucking people getting paid tons a year to monitor these things didnt see shit.
On top of that she went on vacation for 3 weeks during the summer, because thats what you do 
Absolutely clueless!
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We are over 200 thousands deaths now since the beginning of this thread
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How can you not see it?
guess some of us aren’t hypochondriacs.
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Trump lied from the beginning. Down playing it,
It was smart of him to not cause a national panic.
It wouldn't cause a panic, not anymore than occured. It would have gave people the info needed to be safe.
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then saying it was going to go away in a day or two, then by summer.
Then saying masks do nothing and discouraging people from wearing masks.
Dont remember him saying that, I think Dr. Faucci did, though.
No, it definitely was Trump. Just looked it up and confirmed that I wasn't wrong.
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Trump acted months too late.
He pretty much did everything on time.
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His travel ban was a failure, and came way too late,
sure it did. I guess.
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like everything else.
Like what?
Like locking Hilary up, building his wall, making America great again, and so on. Hilary is free, there is hardly any new wall, and America is unemployed, businesses are closing daily and people are rioting.
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He should have locked everybody down for 2 weeks to a month
He did.
No, I mean a real lockdown. Where you don't leave or you go to jail. Where if you need food the military brings you rice or whatever groceries are available.
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or as long as it took to get testing to sick people and exposed.
Do you know what kind of fascism we’d have to be under to accomplish this?
Yeah, the easy way is almost never the right way. We needed martial law until we got this under control.
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Then we have an idea of who has it.
After forcing the US population to be tested, we’d definitely have an idea.
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Factories should be making more test kits so everyone can get tested and get the results the same day.
They are, it’s just in China. And they don’t work that quick.
We shouldn't rely on China. Look at the mess that always gets us into. And they have tests that can get results in less than a day.
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During that time he should have implemented contact tracing through a phone app so we could see who was exposed to who and when.
So you want the government to watch everybody? Over a flu?
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Yes, and have you forgot about the Patriot Act. The Government is watching us, they have been watching us, and will continue to watch us. They already have the tech in place. They should have used it to save lives instead of spy on us. This is much more than a flu and don't pretend it isn't. What flu before this has closed more than 50% of restaurants on Yelp?
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: Lophosaurus]
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Is the measures of how bad a disease is based on how many restaurants closed on yelp?
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Yes, but they aren't bringing it home to a bunch of housemates they live in close quarters with, the sort of situation that maximizes the chance of transmission.
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Sweden did so without forcefully shutting down their economy.
Sure, and for countries similar to Sweden maybe that's an ok approach.
The point isn't that nobody ever needed to lock down or that locking down when nessecary is bad.
I never suggested Italy and Spain shouldnt have locked down or even we shouldnt have locked down before beefing up our medical resources.
the point is that Sweden shows that the way out is through. as long as medical capacity is not expected during the initial spike, afterwards its smooth sailing.
so all the people saying its America's fault for even letting the virus even get a foot hold here, its not about preventing the country from being seeded. no country was able to prevent that so every country is as guilty as America in that regard.
the criteria for successful management is preventing overwhelm while doing as little damage to the economy and everyday life as possible according to each country' circumstances.
The healthcare system hasn't been overwhelmed in America and we have already seen some areas of the country follow a pattern similar to Sweden and other areas are continuing to follow that same pattern of large spike, drop off, almost no deaths.
so if America (particularly all the red state speople love to hate) had locked down even like people are complaining that they should have more, more it wouldn't help prevent overwhelm because they already weren't overwhelmed as it is. I dont see how people are blaming America for not locking down more. it doesnt make sense. for people to say the response has been inadequate when its achieved the same thing any other country can hope for which is not overwhelming the healthcare system.
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I don't think the US as a whole did anything uniquely bad, it was a new disease and nobody knew exactly what they were dealing with at the start. It's more that Trump acted like a shitty leader and used the crisis to further partisan divisions. Things like masks became partisan wedge issues. And there was no need for that, he should have been trying to unite the country to fight the crisis.
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I agree the resistance he put up when the conventional wisdom on masks shifted was dumb.
But considering the vast majority of Americans were already wearing masks months ago and some European countries still have almost no mask wearers and that Trump has now started wearing masks publicly I still dont see how that is a reason to blame America. Especially when masks were almost universally looked down upon by western experts just a few months back.
And just saying I dont think you can blame Trumo for division. Hes a symptom of division himself. I think Joe Biden saying he wouldnt trust a vaccine that was developed under Trump and democrats all over saying anyone who protests lockdowns peacefully while socially distanced wants to kill grandma but people rioting in support of blm never get any critisizm from them, blue state governers not ending lockdowns at all even when they have like no deaths in their state seemingly to prevent the economy from recovering under Trump, refusing to work with republicans to pass a much needed stimulus bill after forcefully shutting down the economy etc, etc. I could go on and on.
this whole pandemic and well before the democrats have been trying to get Trumo out of office at the cost of the truth and getting anything done. people have been trying to get Trumpimpeached since he entered office with that ridiculous Russian conspirasy and numerous things since then.
Trumps is a product of division if you ask me. its bad when he furthers that division but I dont think he can be blamed for the divisive state of the country.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: BANANA.MAN]
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Yeah he certainly is not solely responsible for the division that exists in the country today, but I would say he is very talented at furthering it.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: psi]
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psi said: Yeah he certainly is not solely responsible for the division that exists in the country today, but I would say he is very talented at furthering it.
Joe Biden said Mitt Romney wanted to "put yall back in chains" about black people.
Im not convinced that the country would be any less divided if the republicans had selected a more thoughtful, eloquent, less confrontational candidate tbh.
Look at all the democrats who have warmed up to bush but when he was in office he was the worst person on the planet.
No matter who the republicans pick hes a racist, biggotted, cave man and the worst person ever. they couldnt win.
Even with Trump facilitating relations between arab countries and israel which is like the most souhht after peace goal ever they cant say a single positive thing. while all Obama did was divide Sunnis and Shias in the middle east by buddying up with Iran.
I dont expect everyone to agree with everything but nothing good can even be acknowledged at all and I dont think it would be any different with any other candidate.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: BANANA.MAN]
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No matter who the republicans pick hes a racist, biggotted, cave man and the worst person ever. they couldnt win
I dont live in the US, but this is the feeling I get also when talking to American friends
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But Orange man bad
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I use this picture to piss people off
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Yeah that's one good thing I guess. It was looking close there for a bit with Iran though.
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I use this picture to piss people off 
Trump 2017-
War on truth War on common sense War on media War on environment War on blacks War on Mexicans War on women
Trump has surely held his own on starting wars.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: pslyke]
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Trump fights a war on his own citizens though.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: Asante]
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Technically, we are still at war with Korea (no formal peace treaty signed), also the Conditional Peace Treaty signed in afghanistan was this year.
No trump has not started a war. and may in fact formally end one.
Also, The 2017-2018 Syria build up of US forces...
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: Kelazam]
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Kelazam said: First off, it's spelled "disingenuous". I don't know what makes you think that of me but whatever man. I'm 18 and I took university level high school classes with grades no lower then 90% Just be quite if you are going to be a negative little shit please
You use a typo to try to invalidate my point, but you don't argue the point. This is what disingenuous means.
ALso, I have Master's degree, you tell me to be quiet and use ad hominem attacks against me because you lack the capacity to refute what I'm dealing out to you. Come at me with evidence, that at least I can respect an honest attempt was made. As it is you are simply a shit poster and will be dealt with as such.
Bye friendo.
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Based
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budmanman said: Is the measures of how bad a disease is based on how many restaurants closed on yelp?
That is obviously not the only way to measure how bad it is, but it is definitely 1 thing to look at. Name another disease that did the same thing. Can you name a disease that closed 25% of restaurants?
The answer is NO, you can not. So how is that comparable to the yearly flu?
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I use this picture to piss people off 
Trump didn't end any wars and is not a peaceful president. There is blood on his hands too. You could also say that he started a war pitting the American citizens against eachother. He also started economic wars and made our county look like a weak ass joke. Our elections are under attack because he is too weak to stand up to anybody and I wouldn't be surprised if we are attacked because of his weakness.
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budmanman said: Is the measures of how bad a disease is based on how many restaurants closed on yelp?
That is obviously not the only way to measure how bad it is, but it is definitely 1 thing to look at. Name another disease that did the same thing. Can you name a disease that closed 25% of restaurants?
The answer is NO, you can not. So how is that comparable to the yearly flu?
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I use this picture to piss people off 
Trump didn't end any wars and is not a peaceful president. There is blood on his hands too. You could also say that he started a war pitting the American citizens against eachother. He also started economic wars and made our county look like a weak ass joke. Our elections are under attack because he is too weak to stand up to anybody and I wouldn't be surprised if we are attacked because of his weakness.
I don't know man, aids has killed millions of people and for most the time it existed its fatality rate was almost 100% and we spent the entire time celebrating sex and sex without protection thanks to birth control the entire time. Fighting for those rights and rights for abortion so people could have as much sex as possible without consequence, other than the aids.
And it was more contagious through anal sex which is mostly done by homosexual men, and most of the epidemic we celebrated butt sex like it was some sort of thing to be proud of.
Doesn't seem like a good measurement to me.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: budmanman]
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Please don't compare totally unrelated virus;s in my thread. If you keep doing that I will ask mod to prevent you from discussing the topic at hand. The deaths total hasn't updated over the weakend, I'm guessing 205k monday, maybe 206k. For perspective, only the Civil was, and WWII had mor casualties than we have covid deaths. Ponder on that for a vit.
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Look up tuberculosis.
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Look up tuberculosis.
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Look up tuberculosis.
Tuberculosis is cause by Mycobacterium tuberculosis, a bacterium... Already testing the waters ay. Also, χ reistant Tuberculosis is terrifying.
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Look up tuberculosis.
"This disease isnt bad because other diseases used to be worse"
Fantastic logic
Btw we can treat most cases of TB now. Some isoniazid, ethambutol and rifampin. Takes months but it usually works if you complete the course
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Look up tuberculosis.
"This disease isnt bad because other diseases used to be worse"
Fantastic logic
Btw we can treat most cases of TB now. Some isoniazid, ethambutol and rifampin. Takes months but it usually works if you complete the course
He compared covid to world wars, I compared it to a real pandemic. I’d say my logic is fairly sound.
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Saying covid isnt a real pandemic just because more people have died of tb is still dumb. I almost never see patients with active tb and when i do they just get outpatient antibiotic treatment and are fine. This whole summer the hospital was swamped with covid patients. It is the pandemic of here and now.
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morrowasted said: Saying covid isnt a real pandemic just because more people have died of tb is still dumb.
Where did I say that?
It’s a fucking joke compared to TB. That’s why you’re up in arms.
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I almost never see patients with active tb and when i do they just get outpatient antibiotic treatment and are fine.
Arent you an orderly?
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This whole summer the hospital was swamped with covid patients. It is the pandemic of here and now.
I choose not to take your word for it.
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Idk what an orderly is. like a cna? Im an ER nurse
Youre free to believe what you want, for better or for worse. I am telling you the truth
Cases have been going down since august by in mid july we were fucking swamped with covid pts.
In any case a cna working in the hospitals would be just as qualified to tell you the truth about what kind of patients are in the hospital as a doctor. It was very obvious. The entire hospital setup changed because of it
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They're called Orderly's on the chronic ward Lowbrow resides.
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Trumps is a product of division if you ask me. its bad when he furthers that division but I dont think he can be blamed for the divisive state of the country.
The claim Trump is "decisive" is silly. It's one way to avoid the fact the flames of division have been growing for 30+ years, fueled by the liberal media.
The people who say the president is divisive call him names like Mango Mussolini
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https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Coronavirus Cases: 31,335,993
Deaths: 966,354
Recovered: 22,921,263
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66 million years ago an asteroid wiped out three quarters of life on planet Earth, therefore only pussies jump out of aeroplanes with a parachute.
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In our lifetime, we'll wipe out half.
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In our lifetime, we'll wipe out half.
Don't worry. Jesus will be coming back soon to take us all to the Holocene afterparty.
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Don't worry. Jesus will be coming back soon to take us all to the Holocene afterparty.
I hope he comes flying in on a Pterodactyl to vindicate the Trump voting fundie notion that Jesus hates dinosaurs.
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budmanman said: Is the measures of how bad a disease is based on how many restaurants closed on yelp?
That is obviously not the only way to measure how bad it is, but it is definitely 1 thing to look at. Name another disease that did the same thing. Can you name a disease that closed 25% of restaurants?
The answer is NO, you can not. So how is that comparable to the yearly flu?
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I use this picture to piss people off 
Trump didn't end any wars and is not a peaceful president. There is blood on his hands too. You could also say that he started a war pitting the American citizens against eachother. He also started economic wars and made our county look like a weak ass joke. Our elections are under attack because he is too weak to stand up to anybody and I wouldn't be surprised if we are attacked because of his weakness.
I don't know man, aids has killed millions of people and for most the time it existed its fatality rate was almost 100% and we spent the entire time celebrating sex and sex without protection thanks to birth control the entire time. Fighting for those rights and rights for abortion so people could have as much sex as possible without consequence, other than the aids.
And it was more contagious through anal sex which is mostly done by homosexual men, and most of the epidemic we celebrated butt sex like it was some sort of thing to be proud of.
Doesn't seem like a good measurement to me.
When you're wrong, just be a man and admit you're wrong. It's okay to be wrong. Don't be a "try-hard." AIDS did not shut down half of the restaurants and Covid-19 isn't just another flu. AIDS was and is bad, but at the same time was completely preventable unless you got a bad blood transfusion. It is not at all comparable to Covid or the effects Covid had on society and the economy.
We should, and I do, celebrate abortion, sex without consequence, and especially butt sex! Butt sex can be a good time and there are too many unwanted children out there. Also, no one wants women using hangers to abort again because they can't get a doctor.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: Ice9]
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Survival of the fittest. Everytime I watch the news it is not about the percentages of people who die from it which is the elderly with weakened immune systems but some obese teen or 20 something in college or such.
I think I had it for a week. The percentage of those that die from it with weakened immune systems from overeating and obesity and old and just dying is obvious. They are in a better place. Just a joke they are in hell wishing for donuts and such or way past dead loved ones and with them.
God I am tired of this shit and propaganda to shut down the world. Fuck off. 10 people own the majority of wealth, they can fuck off as well. Sure they had no clue about global overpopulation.
When one is educated and knows from experience and people that actually give a fuck, build your immune system. Simple.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: Barnaby]
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10 people own the majority of wealth
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: BANANA.MAN]
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True.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: Barnaby]
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Barnaby said: True.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: BANANA.MAN]
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I imagine there's entire countries out there that do not have the combined wealth of the top ten combined:
The World's Billionaires
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LOL. Yes, the top ten richest people combined have more money than the whole of the USA:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_wealth
Madness.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: Ice9]
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The deaths total hasn't updated over the weekend
Isn't it funny how, day after day, for months on end, the media celebrates the dead numbers? The media folks speak in an excited (sometimes orgasmic) way about the deaths. They love milestones! Shattering death records! It really is amazing. Over and over again, new milestones! Shattering new records. The media loves to discuss the death rate.
blip - bump - uptick - spike - SURGE !!! 
The usual death rate for the world is 150,000 - 200,000 deaths per day.
Mosquitoes kill 1,000,000 people every year. Death is mandatory part of life.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: RJ Tubs 202] 1
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Overall deaths from all causes worldwide, have increased, essentially to the tune of the same number of the corona virus... guess its just a weird coincidence. Despite all the lock downs that should have lowered overall worldwide total deaths.
Learn to understand, before you speak and wisdom will follow. Or be a shitposting moron for the rst of your life. Your choice.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: Ice9]
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203k deaths, and that likely is a pretty serious undercount. Stay safe this winter, get your flu shot mid-October so its most effective from late october through February.
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The cdc places excess deaths in the US at 201,000 as of last week. Excess deaths are defined as the number of deaths in a week that are more than 5% above the average, expected number. The annual up and down cycle you see in this chart is due to the flu, which causes a predictable increase in mortality during the winter months.
A good example of what covid-19 can look like if we don’t actively take measures to fight it can be seen where the virus was allowed to spread uncontrolled for just a couple weeks, like what happened in NYC. NYC had a week in April where city wide mortality from all causes was more than 600% above normal, and the entire month was more than 400% above normal.
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And that isn't just alt righters trying to parallell park during counterprotests.
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I don't understand how anyone can say the Trump administration has done all they could to combat the virus.
You guys must have a serious lack of imagination. It's sad really.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: Bikerfool]
#26949950 - 09/22/20 07:12 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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And what would you of have them done?
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: lowbrow]
#26949986 - 09/22/20 07:38 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Cigarettes kill more people world wide every year than covid. Yet were not panicking about the fact that the second hand smoke is also killing people around the smoker. Were shoveling death sticks out to the world as fast as we can, adding more chemicals to make them kill people faster. Let that sink in. They gotta kill us, were fucking and multiplying like roaches.
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Jokeshopbeard said: LOL. Yes, the top ten richest people combined have more money than the whole of the USA:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_wealth
Madness.
thats not what he said.
he said the majority of the wealth. that means more than half of all the wealth in the world.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: PsilyZee]
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PsilyZee said: Cigarettes kill more people world wide every year than covid. Yet were not panicking about the fact that the second hand smoke is also killing people around the smoker.
Are you kidding? You can’t even smoke outside in public spaces anymore.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: koods]
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Cigarettes are a cash cow for the government.
I'm guessing within 30 years anyone still drinking city water will become sterile from all the PFAS. That should decrease the population.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: BANANA.MAN]
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BANANA.MAN said: thats not what he said.
he said the majority of the wealth. that means more than half of all the wealth in the world.
LOL.
Well I guess that makes it alright then!
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BANANA.MAN said: thats not what he said.
he said the majority of the wealth. that means more than half of all the wealth in the world.
LOL.
Well I guess that makes it alright then!
I never commented on whether or not thats ok. you brought that up out of nowhere. I just called out a false claim.
but if you want to bring up the morality of wealth inequality then yeah wealth gaps arent necessarily bad at all. the richest people usually have large portions of their wealth invested in important infrastructure that provides jobs, goods/services, new innovations and an overall increase in quality of life for everybody. as income and wealth inequality has been on an upward trajectory, poverty has been on a downward trajectory.
As long as wealth is gained through voluntary transactions I dont see why people shouldnt be allowed to have it.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: BANANA.MAN]
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Wealth inequality is one of the biggest downfalls of mankind. Billionaires should never exist and should never be allowed to exist... how much greed, how much suffering have they caused to build their empire?
Just take a look at Nestle.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: Barnaby]
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Barnaby said: Survival of the fittest. Everytime I watch the news it is not about the percentages of people who die from it which is the elderly with weakened immune systems but some obese teen or 20 something in college or such.
I think I had it for a week. The percentage of those that die from it with weakened immune systems from overeating and obesity and old and just dying is obvious. They are in a better place. Just a joke they are in hell wishing for donuts and such or way past dead loved ones and with them.
God I am tired of this shit and propaganda to shut down the world. Fuck off. 10 people own the majority of wealth, they can fuck off as well. Sure they had no clue about global overpopulation.
When one is educated and knows from experience and people that actually give a fuck, build your immune system. Simple.
So people with obesity or any underlying condition are going to hell because of your political beliefs?
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: PsilyZee]
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PsilyZee said: Cigarettes kill more people world wide every year than covid. Yet were not panicking about the fact that the second hand smoke is also killing people around the smoker. Were shoveling death sticks out to the world as fast as we can, adding more chemicals to make them kill people faster. Let that sink in. They gotta kill us, were fucking and multiplying like roaches.
Wowzers, you guys trying to downplay the seriousness of Covid do not sound intelligent to me. People choose to smoke and others choose to get their 2nd hand smoke or not get it, people don't choose to get Covid. Also, comparing it to TB, AIDS, and the common Flu, LOL. That just shows that you guys are speaking on something that you know nothing about.
When I don't know something then I look it up, research, and ask questions. I don't go around making false claims. I wish others would do the same. If they did then we might be able to get this shit under control and go back to a normal life. Dumb people always ruin life for the smart people.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: Lophosaurus]
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Yeah, those people are not welcome in my thread, if they get to annoying I'll have a mod remove their post as off-topic. Compare apples to apples, read about the type of virus coronovirus is, compare it to similar viruses if you must as far as structure, means of infection and other relevant facts.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: Ice9] 1
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I had corona virus, was very sick for over a month. Was actually refused testing. Thats why so many people are dying. They go to get tested and get told to fuck off.
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#26950421 - 09/23/20 03:04 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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If you don’t get tested for covid, then you can’t be a case of covid and you can’t die of covid
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: koods]
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I know 2 people in my family that scheduled testing for covid, they left the site without being tested that day. They then received an email about 2 days later that said they were both positive for covid 19. THEY NEVER EVEN GOT TESTED.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: PsilyZee]
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Our testing situation is a completely disorganized shitshow.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: PsilyZee]
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Covid is very very real. But the media and their statistics are rigged . Cant believe you people are buying that shit. Ever heard of the misguided children ? Well thats the sensational tv and social media everyone is willingly brainwashing them self with. You hardly even hear about covid, lately.Because the narrative is "black lives matter" and a bunch of race war bullshit. If you buy and enjoy spreading that hate. I hope you send me a post card from hell. All lives matter, we were all created equal and told to love each other. But thats okay, keep buying the media's modern methods of "mental slavery" . To oppress the people of our high populations, you must suppress their minds.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: PsilyZee]
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Lol
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: koods]
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The gov was trying to figure out mind control in the 60's. They figured it out. If you leave a monkey in a room wtching cloudy with a chance of meatballs for long enough. It will believe meatballs actually fall from the sky. So ask yourself, do you still have a monkey mind?
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: PsilyZee]
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I have no idea what you’re talking about
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: koods]
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Its simple, dont believe what you "hear" believe what you see with your own eyes and ears. Too many are believing what they "hear" from TV. When the rest of the heard follows the cowbell off the cliff, ill be the only one left in the pasture enjoying the moosic . If you follow the heard, i honestly feel bad for you, your being lead to your own slaughter.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: PsilyZee]
#26950457 - 09/23/20 04:02 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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So you don’t believe anything unless you personally experience it?
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: TranceDaDude]
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TranceDaDude said: Wealth inequality is one of the biggest downfalls of mankind. Billionaires should never exist and should never be allowed to exist... how much greed, how much suffering have they caused to build their empire?
Just take a look at Nestle.
well im not going to further derail this thread after this post but acctually the lives of Americans have improved as wealth and income inequality has increased.
there are countries with less inequality because very few people are living proserous lives and most people have very little wealth, would you rather live there or in a country with a growing economy and people being lifted out of poverty and moving between classes throughout their life but where there is wealth and income inequality?
I dont see whats wrong with nestle. If you mean the water is not a human right thing then no it is not a human right to force someone to clean, purify, package and deliver water for you. you dont own anyone elses labour. If you want that from someone you have to enter a consent based deal.
I explained that prosperity has increased as inequality has increased and all you did was basically just say no with no supporting evidence.
Would you prefer if the richest people had less and there were more people in poverty? or the richest people had way more than the poorest by a huge margin but there was less poverty? If you're a good person you will be more concerned about people living in poverty. you wouldnt be nearly as concerned that not everyone can buy a million dollar home or a yacht and infact ideally you would be happy for those who could as its good for them but doesnt hurt you.
I know Ice is going to get upset and go to the mods if I continue with unapproved content so I will respectfully stop now. next time if you want to change my mind use evidence because simply saying something does not make it so.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: BANANA.MAN]
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fluoride is what's wrong with Nestle. Stealing small cities water is also what's wrong with Nestle. Taking small businesses products with unfair contracts is what's wrong with Nestle.
Moral of the story...Fuck Nestle
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Bottled water is just a plastic factory, it depletes local ground water and the bottles are basically non-recyclable. Nobody wants that trash, not even China.
Nanaman over here trying to sell us trickle down economics, shit has been fucked since Reagan. Pfft.
Back on topic, cobra 19 is real. It's going to be around for a while. We need to fight it by wearing masks. No one can blame anyone for it. It's a moot point. Welcome to the future. Rock out with your cock out but don't take off that mask.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: Kelazam]
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Dont have nestle products if you dont want fluoride. Be ike me and use fluoride free tooth paste, baking soda at dental cleaning and live in a city that doesnt add fluoride to the water. dont blame other people for using fluoride.
site a source for them stealing water and ill give that to you but i cant imagine they would have got away with that.
Nestle cant force anyone into an unfair contract. they must make voluntary deals. and they are a big company with lots to offer, allowing small companies to profit on the back of their enterprise. people dont enter deals they find unfair and if they do thats on them.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: BANANA.MAN]
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: schmutzen]
#26951876 - 09/23/20 09:17 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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namaste said: Bottled water is just a plastic factory, it depletes local ground water and the bottles are basically non-recyclable. Nobody wants that trash, not even China.
Nanaman over here trying to sell us trickle down economics, shit has been fucked since Reagan. Pfft.
Back on topic, cobra 19 is real. It's going to be around for a while. We need to fight it by wearing masks. No one can blame anyone for it. It's a moot point. Welcome to the future. Rock out with your cock out but don't take off that mask.
Bottled water has benefitted a lot of poor people in places where clean water is hard to come by.
I didnt try to sell any economic system. I simply said that income and wealth inequality dont matter, poverty rates are what matter.
sorry i know I said I would stop I will now.
@jokeshop it looks like they paid for the water they extracted, and added value to it to sell it for a profit. If you think it was a bad deal blame the government for making that deal with water on federal land.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: BANANA.MAN]
#26951885 - 09/23/20 09:22 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Drink Fiji water .
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: BANANA.MAN]
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BANANA.MAN said: @jokeshop it looks like they paid for the water they extracted, and added value to it to sell it for a profit. If you think it was a bad deal blame the government for making that deal with water on federal land.
So you didn't read the article then.
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BANANA.MAN said: @jokeshop it looks like they paid for the water they extracted, and added value to it to sell it for a profit. If you think it was a bad deal blame the government for making that deal with water on federal land.
So you didn't read the article then.
No of course not that things like 1.5 rhizo posts about emma watson worth of words. I skimmed it to what I assumed what the issue you were referring to. why dont you at least cite a section or preferably produce a direct quote so I can see what exactly you take issue with. preferably over PM because I dont think ICE wants us to derail his thread.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: BANANA.MAN]
#26951920 - 09/23/20 09:42 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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'Cite a source' he says.
'Meh, I didn't read it cause it's silly' he says.
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Jokeshopbeard said: 'Cite a source' he says.
'Meh, I didn't read it cause it's silly' he says.
I didnt say it was silly I said it was long.
I was looking for a specific incident not a meandering blog post.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: BANANA.MAN]
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It's The Guardian man; one of the most unbiased news sources in the world.
Pretty lame to say 'cite a source' and then to go 'it's too long' when it can be read in less than eight minutes though.
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Jokeshopbeard said: It's The Guardian man; one of the most unbiased news sources in the world.
Pretty lame to say 'cite a source' and then to go 'it's too long' when it can be read in less than eight minutes though.
I dont want to read a wordy article that probably needs to meet an aribtrary word quota about something I dont really care about. you stepped in to defend that claim of kezolam and the burden of proof is on you.
just cite the incident.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: BANANA.MAN]
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Nestlé, a division of the Swiss food company, says it took an average of 62.6 million gallons of water from the San Bernardino spring each year from 1947 to 2015, but a two-year investigation by California's State Water Board found that it lacked legal permits for much of that water.
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Jokeshopbeard said: Nestlé, a division of the Swiss food company, says it took an average of 62.6 million gallons of water from the San Bernardino spring each year from 1947 to 2015, but a two-year investigation by California's State Water Board found that it lacked legal permits for much of that water.
ok, there you go, thats wrong. nestle broke the law.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: BANANA.MAN]
#26951953 - 09/23/20 10:06 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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37 minutes.
I'm literally sweating from the exertion it took.
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I'm literally sweating from the exertion it took.
idk why you exerted so much effort to defend a claim I didnt really care about frm the beggining and never argued against and which I said I would give to him if he provided a source and doesnt at all effect my stance that income inequality is not bad. either way you could have just cited the incident right way and saved yourself some time.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: BANANA.MAN]
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You said 'cite a source'.
I didn't know I was going to have to draw you a pretty picture too.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: BANANA.MAN]
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Permits are racist which makes nestle a saint for fighting against them.
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I didn't know I was going to have to draw you a pretty picture too.
all you had to do was cite the specific incident which you did. all good in the hood knm sayin? no need to get worked up.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: BANANA.MAN]
#26951964 - 09/23/20 10:18 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Oh man, I'm soooooo stressed out RN.
You're mean.
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Its all love Jokeshopbeard.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: BANANA.MAN]
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Cases 7.05M Deaths 203K
From google
United States Coronavirus Cases: 7,244,184 Deaths: 208,440 Recovered: 4,480,719
From ttps://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
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Daily new cases in India shows them really kicking ass. I honestly expected it to blow up there. But look at the USA vs them right now:

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Third world conditions don’t seem to be optimal for covid spread. People living in housing where there aren’t windows and with a lot of air flow. Working and spending a lot of time outside. The spike in India was during the hottest part of the year and the monsoons when people are most likely to want to be inside. This time of year in India is very comfortable outdoor weather.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: koods] 2
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I used to believe the shroomery was full of intellects. I was naive then.
The entire "pandemic" falls apart the minute you confirm three things:
1) The annual death rate has stayed consistent for the last 10 years 2) Covid deaths "skyrocketing", but flu has plummeted. 3) RT-PCR is now the diagnosing method for infection (totally unscientific)
The difference between then and now (2020) is how influenza was diagnosed. You had to admit yourself to the hospital and show visible physical symptoms to be counted in flu statistics. Today, we are getting swabbed for corona virus. If merely 1 single fragment of sars-cov2 shows up in your test, you are counted as infected/sick/case, REGARDLESS of being sick or not. And we know how the science community throws around the phrase correlation does not imply causation. Who is to say that sars-cov2 is causing you knee pain or that swelling around your dick?
That is the unscientific way of diagnosing infections and the symptoms that come with it. Sars-cov2 (and any string of RNA) has a higher chance to be detected as the cycle threshold is increased in labs in PCR testing. It is stated that labs that have used 30+ cycles (which the bar was admittedly set at 45 in some areas), is a guaranteed detection of sars-cov2. That's a whopping 100% case rate that means absolutely nothing.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: koods]
#27139692 - 01/10/21 12:21 PM (3 years, 18 days ago) |
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It's kind of surprising that India's first wave happened so late given its geographic proximity to China. But I get the impression that there may not be all that much travel between China and India in spite of the fact that they are both in Asia and they both have huge populations.
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Morgenstern said: I used to believe the shroomery was full of intellects. I was naive then.
The entire "pandemic" falls apart the minute you confirm three things:
1) The annual death rate has stayed consistent for the last 10 years 2) Covid deaths "skyrocketing", but flu has plummeted. 3) RT-PCR is now the diagnosing method for infection (totally unscientific)
The difference between then and now (2020) is how influenza was diagnosed. You had to admit yourself to the hospital and show visible physical symptoms to be counted in flu statistics. Today, we are getting swabbed for corona virus. If merely 1 single fragment of sars-cov2 shows up in your test, you are counted as infected/sick/case, REGARDLESS of being sick or not. And we know how the science community throws around the phrase correlation does not imply causation. Who is to say that sars-cov2 is causing you knee pain or that swelling around your dick?
That is the unscientific way of diagnosing infections and the symptoms that come with it. Sars-cov2 (and any string of RNA) has a higher chance to be detected as the cycle threshold is increased in labs in PCR testing. It is stated that labs that have used 30+ cycles (which the bar was admittedly set at 45 in some areas), is a guaranteed detection of sars-cov2. That's a whopping 100% case rate that means absolutely nothing.
I’ll never understand how people can be so wrong in a time when data is so easily available.
No, the death rate was not anywhere near consistent in 2020

Yes, the flu has plummeted. That’s what happens when people wear masks and most school systems and society itself gets redesigned to protect against viral transmission. Flu is far less contagious and more seasonal than COVID, and the flu season never really got off the ground last year (as many scientists predicted). Many hospitals have always made staff who refused flu vaccines wear masks, they don’t do it for fun.
Flu is currently being tested for at a higher rate than ever before in history, and doctors determine cause of death based on the evidence. If someone tests positive for covid and dies of covid symptoms, the amount of times covid would be an inaccurate cause of death would be statistically insignificant and would still be cancelled out (and then some) by all the deaths that go untested and unrecorded. Deaths where covid is present but not cause of death do get recorded, but that’s for research purposes and the death count put out by the CDC only includes cases where covid was the cause of death.
NH normally has 200 deaths a year from flu and pneumonia-like illness. Even with all the precautions, they’ve still had 900 covid deaths. My wife’s hospital would normally have a handful of flu patients during the worst flu seasons, when covid hit they had to shutdown their massive pediatrics department to convert it to a covid ward to house the 400 covid patients they were treating, with another 100 in the covid-specific ICU. They’re only one of like 20 hospitals in the city too. The rehab hospital I’ll be doing rotations at had to be converted into a COVID specific facility, the after-effects they’re seeing are devastating. It’s truly horrific seeing people who were perfectly healthy a month ago now unable to even lift a spoon to their mouths or take more than a couple steps on their own without passing out from lack of oxygen and fatigue.
The only people I’ve seen try to blame the death count on PCR testing are conspiracy theorists who watched some YouTube video and now think they’re virologists. It really is mind boggling the shit that’s dribbling out of the mouths of people who have no idea what the fuck they’re talking about.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: psi]
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psi said: It's kind of surprising that India's first wave happened so late given its geographic proximity to China. But I get the impression that there may not be all that much travel between China and India in spite of the fact that they are both in Asia and they both have huge populations.
India also doesn’t really have the infrastructure for national public health reporting though, unless it’s changed during the pandemic. Even in normal times a huge proportion of deaths are never officially counted, and most deaths never receive a cause of death there. Can’t imagine they got it all together for testing during all the chaos of the pandemic, but hopefully I’m wrong and they are doing well with it. My guess would be more towards there only being a limited amount of people with access to testing, and those people/areas being on the downswing of spikes
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: feevers]
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Yeah their testing rate does not seem to be super high, 130k per million population vs 816k for the US. Several times higher than Mexico's though.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
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Morgenstern said: I used to believe the shroomery was full of intellects. I was naive then.
The entire "pandemic" falls apart the minute you confirm three things:
1) The annual death rate has stayed consistent for the last 10 years 2) Covid deaths "skyrocketing", but flu has plummeted. 3) RT-PCR is now the diagnosing method for infection (totally unscientific)
The difference between then and now (2020) is how influenza was diagnosed. You had to admit yourself to the hospital and show visible physical symptoms to be counted in flu statistics. Today, we are getting swabbed for corona virus. If merely 1 single fragment of sars-cov2 shows up in your test, you are counted as infected/sick/case, REGARDLESS of being sick or not. And we know how the science community throws around the phrase correlation does not imply causation. Who is to say that sars-cov2 is causing you knee pain or that swelling around your dick?
That is the unscientific way of diagnosing infections and the symptoms that come with it. Sars-cov2 (and any string of RNA) has a higher chance to be detected as the cycle threshold is increased in labs in PCR testing. It is stated that labs that have used 30 cycles (which the bar was admittedly set at 45 in some areas), is a guaranteed detection of sars-cov2. That's a whopping 100% case rate that means absolutely nothing.
PCR is the standard diagnostic tool for detecting viral infections, and has been for two decades. You are incorrect about the flu. To be an official flu case, you need a positive test. That test is a pcr test. Non confirmed flu cases are called “influenza like illness.” That is the designation for symptomatic flu without a test.
As for the death rate, US mortality for 2020 is at least 15% higher than 2019 and is the greatest spike in mortality in over a century.
Stop posting garbage you read on the web. The internet is making a lot of people dumb with misinformation. It’s not like the correct information isn’t available to you.
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If merely 1 single fragment of sars-cov2 shows up in your test, you are counted as infected/sick/case,
Lol no. It takes thousands and that is before amplification.
Aside from contamination, a positive sars cov2 pcr test is a qualitative result meaning you are currently infected or had an active infection in the recent past. It’s very difficult to have enough of these viral particules in your body without being an infected host.
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feevers said: The only people I’ve seen try to blame the death count on PCR testing are conspiracy theorists who watched some YouTube video and now think they’re virologists. It really is mind boggling the shit that’s dribbling out of the mouths of people who have no idea what the fuck they’re talking about.
In any one year from 2000-2015, you can find a difference in deaths ranging from over 200-300k deaths. Right, we may not be EXACTLY on average in deaths, which allows leverage for the dipshit "fact checkers" that you worship to talk about and debunk you with.
If that is the case, then there still is no excess in mortality. Your dumb scary spike chart doesn't mean shit to me or anyone who has a brain. Hospitals can easily be overrun now that there are INEFFICIENT COVID regulations to go by. They will also fill up in large cities in the winter. Not uncommon. And it's not uncommon to have idiots scared shitless because of fear mongering news every single fucking day, "COVID COVID COVID".
Sorry, but you're wrong on all levels. Rural, and small city hospitals are just fine. PS: Get fucked. I spent 5 unemployed months researching everything I needed to know. You're just a cocksucker that listens to MSM.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: koods]
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koods said: PCR is the standard diagnostic tool for detecting viral infections
The AMA has been compromised since the early 1900s and funded by people (bankers) who only had money in mind. It's no surprise you believe every little science article you read. Same spiel in the 1980s with HIV and PCR testing. Even the creator of the test would disagree with you. It may be "the standard" but it means absolutely nothing. It's a money maker. And as of right now, it's being used as pandemic illusion maker.
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feevers said: The only people I’ve seen try to blame the death count on PCR testing are conspiracy theorists who watched some YouTube video and now think they’re virologists. It really is mind boggling the shit that’s dribbling out of the mouths of people who have no idea what the fuck they’re talking about.
In any one year from 2000-2015, you can find a difference in deaths ranging from over 200-300k deaths. .
That’s completely false. The number of deaths in such a large country is extremely predictable, and while there has been a steady increase in death rate in the last decade, due to drug overdoses, the jump In mortality this year is unprecedented in modern times. 2020 is projected to have a mortality rate of nearly 10 per 1000.
2019 8.782 1.120% 2018 8.685 1.220% 2017 8.580 1.240% 2016 8.475 1.270% 2015 8.369 1.270% 2014 8.264 1.290% 2013 8.159 0.090% 2012 8.152 0.090% 2011 8.145 0.090% 2010 8.138 0.090% 2009 8.131 0.090% 2008 8.124 -0.960% 2007 8.203 -0.950% 2006 8.282 -0.960% 2005 8.362 -0.940% 2004 8.441 -0.930% 2003 8.520 -0.330% 2002 8.548 -0.330% 2001 8.576 -0.310% 2000 8.603 -0.320%
Show me a year where deaths increased by more than 100k. Do you even check the shit you post to make sure you’re accurate
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koods said: PCR is the standard diagnostic tool for detecting viral infections
The AMA has been compromised since the early 1900s and funded by people (bankers) who only had money in mind. It's no surprise you believe every little science article you read. Same spiel in the 1980s with HIV and PCR testing. Even the creator of the test would disagree with you. It may be "the standard" but it means absolutely nothing. It's a money maker. And as of right now, it's being used as pandemic illusion maker.
Idiotic
And the inventor of the PCR never said you can’t use pcr for testing. A little fact checking would confirm that. Do you people ever check to see if the shit you are posting is accurate. You’re like fucking automatons repeating what you read on fringe websites. Think for yourselves. You people are becoming a danger to society.
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I spent 5 unemployed months researching everything I needed to know
You would have been better off watching Jerry springer.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: koods]
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The pcr test is superfluous for someone who has covid badly enough that they end up dying from it. Diseases have a constellation of signs and symptoms. This one is new. There are similar things but even without the pcr we could tell you from radiology and various blood tests alone that this disease was something not seen before.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: koods]
#27141768 - 01/11/21 10:59 AM (3 years, 17 days ago) |
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I spent 5 unemployed months researching everything I needed to know
You would have been better off watching Jerry springer.
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