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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: Ice9]
#26943995 - 09/19/20 11:59 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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And what about the countries that didn't lock down and did fine? That alone makes this point moot. This thread really exemplifies to me that a lot of y'all lost asf on this shit 
See Sweden, compare to other Nordic countries, tell me again how countries that didn't lock down did just fine. 
its been sitting at almost no deaths for a long time it had a spike in the beggining with lots of death but the other nordic countries haven't had as much infection as Sweden yet. If at the end of this other nordic countries have similar death rates when they catch up then you can't say Sweden did any worse. its disingenuous to compare two different countries at two different stages.
this isn't the first time I've explained this to you. now its starting to look like you are being purposefully deceptive rather than ignorant.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: Tripsurfer]
#26944000 - 09/19/20 12:01 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Some experts have an immoral agenda that is backed up by the "aThOrItIeS" that started this whole propaganda scheme to benefit only the rich and powerful
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: Kelazam]
#26944012 - 09/19/20 12:06 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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The problem is, is the experts don't know jack shit and it is pathetic.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: budmanman]
#26944079 - 09/19/20 12:42 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I read an interview with the head of our national health centre or some similar institute
She came accros as borderline retarded. The virus caught them off guard Bunch of guys on a drug forum saw this coming weeks in advance, and the fucking people getting paid tons a year to monitor these things didnt see shit.
On top of that she went on vacation for 3 weeks during the summer, because thats what you do 
Absolutely clueless!
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: BANANA.MAN]
#26944225 - 09/19/20 01:50 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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And what about the countries that didn't lock down and did fine? That alone makes this point moot. This thread really exemplifies to me that a lot of y'all lost asf on this shit 
See Sweden, compare to other Nordic countries, tell me again how countries that didn't lock down did just fine. 
its been sitting at almost no deaths for a long time it had a spike in the beggining with lots of death but the other nordic countries haven't had as much infection as Sweden yet. If at the end of this other nordic countries have similar death rates when they catch up then you can't say Sweden did any worse. its disingenuous to compare two different countries at two different stages.
this isn't the first time I've explained this to you. now its starting to look like you are being purposefully deceptive rather than ignorant.
Sort of like when people hold up Sweden as a shining example of a successful non-lockdown, but fail to mention the super high rate of single person households.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: psi]
#26944383 - 09/19/20 03:16 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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And what about the countries that didn't lock down and did fine? That alone makes this point moot. This thread really exemplifies to me that a lot of y'all lost asf on this shit 
See Sweden, compare to other Nordic countries, tell me again how countries that didn't lock down did just fine. 
its been sitting at almost no deaths for a long time it had a spike in the beggining with lots of death but the other nordic countries haven't had as much infection as Sweden yet. If at the end of this other nordic countries have similar death rates when they catch up then you can't say Sweden did any worse. its disingenuous to compare two different countries at two different stages.
this isn't the first time I've explained this to you. now its starting to look like you are being purposefully deceptive rather than ignorant.
Sort of like when people hold up Sweden as a shining example of a successful non-lockdown, but fail to mention the super high rate of single person households.
Presumably if there is no lockdown all those people who live alone are stil coming in contact with each other anyway. It surely makes it easier to protect vulnerable people by sectioning them off (which Sweden started doing too late) so I'm sure it has helped with the deaths but we have seen that same spike in deaths in the beggining with a sustained period of almost n deaths in other places besides Sweden like for example the EXACT same thing happened all over Europe in places like italy, france, UK and in many places here in North America. Even in spain where everyone lives together, they followed the same trend as Sweden. here in Ontario aswell we had a spike in deaths in the beginning but like none now and for quite a while. Most places follow te same trend. Sweden did so without forcefully shutting down their economy.
thats not at all the same thing as comparing the deaths in a country with 88k cases against countries with like 10-20k infected so far.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: BANANA.MAN]
#26944418 - 09/19/20 03:36 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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BANANA.MAN said: Presumably if there is no lockdown all those people who live alone are stil coming in contact with each other anyway.
Yes, but they aren't bringing it home to a bunch of housemates they live in close quarters with, the sort of situation that maximizes the chance of transmission.
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Sweden did so without forcefully shutting down their economy.
Sure, and for countries similar to Sweden maybe that's an ok approach.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: psi] 1
#26944507 - 09/19/20 04:23 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Me and my wife had the virus and I live with 2 other people, we just stayed away from them once we knew we had the virus and we prevented them from catching it.
Common decency and basic hygiene plus self isolation once infected is how you beat it,
Quarantining the healthy doesn't do a whole lot.
The solution is a well educated populous.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: budmanman] 1
#26944545 - 09/19/20 04:43 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I read an interview with the head of our national health centre or some similar institute
She came accros as borderline retarded. The virus caught them off guard Bunch of guys on a drug forum saw this coming weeks in advance, and the fucking people getting paid tons a year to monitor these things didnt see shit.
On top of that she went on vacation for 3 weeks during the summer, because thats what you do 
Absolutely clueless!
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: Yeetusdeetus]
#26944568 - 09/19/20 04:59 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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We are over 200 thousands deaths now since the beginning of this thread
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: lowbrow]
#26944679 - 09/19/20 06:26 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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How can you not see it?
guess some of us aren’t hypochondriacs.
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Trump lied from the beginning. Down playing it,
It was smart of him to not cause a national panic.
It wouldn't cause a panic, not anymore than occured. It would have gave people the info needed to be safe.
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then saying it was going to go away in a day or two, then by summer.
Then saying masks do nothing and discouraging people from wearing masks.
Dont remember him saying that, I think Dr. Faucci did, though.
No, it definitely was Trump. Just looked it up and confirmed that I wasn't wrong.
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Trump acted months too late.
He pretty much did everything on time.
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His travel ban was a failure, and came way too late,
sure it did. I guess.
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like everything else.
Like what?
Like locking Hilary up, building his wall, making America great again, and so on. Hilary is free, there is hardly any new wall, and America is unemployed, businesses are closing daily and people are rioting.
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He should have locked everybody down for 2 weeks to a month
He did.
No, I mean a real lockdown. Where you don't leave or you go to jail. Where if you need food the military brings you rice or whatever groceries are available.
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or as long as it took to get testing to sick people and exposed.
Do you know what kind of fascism we’d have to be under to accomplish this?
Yeah, the easy way is almost never the right way. We needed martial law until we got this under control.
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Then we have an idea of who has it.
After forcing the US population to be tested, we’d definitely have an idea.
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Factories should be making more test kits so everyone can get tested and get the results the same day.
They are, it’s just in China. And they don’t work that quick.
We shouldn't rely on China. Look at the mess that always gets us into. And they have tests that can get results in less than a day.
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During that time he should have implemented contact tracing through a phone app so we could see who was exposed to who and when.
So you want the government to watch everybody? Over a flu?
Cont...
Yes, and have you forgot about the Patriot Act. The Government is watching us, they have been watching us, and will continue to watch us. They already have the tech in place. They should have used it to save lives instead of spy on us. This is much more than a flu and don't pretend it isn't. What flu before this has closed more than 50% of restaurants on Yelp?
You sound like someone so in love with Trump that they believe and defend everyone of his lies and wrong doings.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: Lophosaurus]
#26944771 - 09/19/20 07:17 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Is the measures of how bad a disease is based on how many restaurants closed on yelp?
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: psi]
#26944788 - 09/19/20 07:27 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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BANANA.MAN said: Presumably if there is no lockdown all those people who live alone are stil coming in contact with each other anyway.
Yes, but they aren't bringing it home to a bunch of housemates they live in close quarters with, the sort of situation that maximizes the chance of transmission.
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Sure, and for countries similar to Sweden maybe that's an ok approach.
The point isn't that nobody ever needed to lock down or that locking down when nessecary is bad.
I never suggested Italy and Spain shouldnt have locked down or even we shouldnt have locked down before beefing up our medical resources.
the point is that Sweden shows that the way out is through. as long as medical capacity is not expected during the initial spike, afterwards its smooth sailing.
so all the people saying its America's fault for even letting the virus even get a foot hold here, its not about preventing the country from being seeded. no country was able to prevent that so every country is as guilty as America in that regard.
the criteria for successful management is preventing overwhelm while doing as little damage to the economy and everyday life as possible according to each country' circumstances.
The healthcare system hasn't been overwhelmed in America and we have already seen some areas of the country follow a pattern similar to Sweden and other areas are continuing to follow that same pattern of large spike, drop off, almost no deaths.
so if America (particularly all the red state speople love to hate) had locked down even like people are complaining that they should have more, more it wouldn't help prevent overwhelm because they already weren't overwhelmed as it is. I dont see how people are blaming America for not locking down more. it doesnt make sense. for people to say the response has been inadequate when its achieved the same thing any other country can hope for which is not overwhelming the healthcare system.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: BANANA.MAN] 3
#26944833 - 09/19/20 08:01 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I don't think the US as a whole did anything uniquely bad, it was a new disease and nobody knew exactly what they were dealing with at the start. It's more that Trump acted like a shitty leader and used the crisis to further partisan divisions. Things like masks became partisan wedge issues. And there was no need for that, he should have been trying to unite the country to fight the crisis.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: psi] 1
#26945873 - 09/20/20 09:56 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I agree the resistance he put up when the conventional wisdom on masks shifted was dumb.
But considering the vast majority of Americans were already wearing masks months ago and some European countries still have almost no mask wearers and that Trump has now started wearing masks publicly I still dont see how that is a reason to blame America. Especially when masks were almost universally looked down upon by western experts just a few months back.
And just saying I dont think you can blame Trumo for division. Hes a symptom of division himself. I think Joe Biden saying he wouldnt trust a vaccine that was developed under Trump and democrats all over saying anyone who protests lockdowns peacefully while socially distanced wants to kill grandma but people rioting in support of blm never get any critisizm from them, blue state governers not ending lockdowns at all even when they have like no deaths in their state seemingly to prevent the economy from recovering under Trump, refusing to work with republicans to pass a much needed stimulus bill after forcefully shutting down the economy etc, etc. I could go on and on.
this whole pandemic and well before the democrats have been trying to get Trumo out of office at the cost of the truth and getting anything done. people have been trying to get Trumpimpeached since he entered office with that ridiculous Russian conspirasy and numerous things since then.
Trumps is a product of division if you ask me. its bad when he furthers that division but I dont think he can be blamed for the divisive state of the country.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: BANANA.MAN]
#26945945 - 09/20/20 10:36 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah he certainly is not solely responsible for the division that exists in the country today, but I would say he is very talented at furthering it.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: psi]
#26946044 - 09/20/20 11:37 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Joe Biden said Mitt Romney wanted to "put yall back in chains" about black people.
Im not convinced that the country would be any less divided if the republicans had selected a more thoughtful, eloquent, less confrontational candidate tbh.
Look at all the democrats who have warmed up to bush but when he was in office he was the worst person on the planet.
No matter who the republicans pick hes a racist, biggotted, cave man and the worst person ever. they couldnt win.
Even with Trump facilitating relations between arab countries and israel which is like the most souhht after peace goal ever they cant say a single positive thing. while all Obama did was divide Sunnis and Shias in the middle east by buddying up with Iran.
I dont expect everyone to agree with everything but nothing good can even be acknowledged at all and I dont think it would be any different with any other candidate.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: BANANA.MAN]
#26946074 - 09/20/20 11:53 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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No matter who the republicans pick hes a racist, biggotted, cave man and the worst person ever. they couldnt win
I dont live in the US, but this is the feeling I get also when talking to American friends
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: Tripsurfer]
#26946148 - 09/20/20 12:44 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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But Orange man bad
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I use this picture to piss people off
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