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Ice9
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And what about the countries that didn't lock down and did fine? That alone makes this point moot. This thread really exemplifies to me that a lot of y'all lost asf on this shit 
See Sweden, compare to other Nordic countries, tell me again how countries that didn't lock down did just fine.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: Ice9]
#26943794 - 09/19/20 09:47 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Damn I am glad I hopped on this thread, I stopped looking at the Netherlands data because they had pretty much declared they beat the virus a long time ago,
Well look at them now lol
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: budmanman]
#26943824 - 09/19/20 10:17 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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budmanman said: Damn I am glad I hopped on this thread, I stopped looking at the Netherlands data because they had pretty much declared they beat the virus a long time ago,
Well look at them now lol

Why do you think that is, what accounts for the not increasing rate of infection and uptick (presumably) in the positivity rates of tests given? Has people's behaviors changed since the "pretty much declared they beat the virus". If you were actually interested in knowing what is going on, and not cherry picking data that confirms your biases you would be asking these questions and searching for answers to them. You are not, so for the time being I will simply dismiss your posts as those of a person with high school education who knows how to copy paste confirming information.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: Lophosaurus]
#26943892 - 09/19/20 11:05 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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How can you not see it?
guess some of us aren’t hypochondriacs.
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Trump lied from the beginning. Down playing it,
It was smart of him to not cause a national panic.
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then saying it was going to go away in a day or two, then by summer.
Then saying masks do nothing and discouraging people from wearing masks.
Dont remember him saying that, I think Dr. Faucci did, though.
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Trump acted months too late.
He pretty much did everything on time.
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His travel ban was a failure, and came way too late,
sure it did. I guess.
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like everything else.
Like what?
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He should have locked everybody down for 2 weeks to a month
He did.
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or as long as it took to get testing to sick people and exposed.
Do you know what kind of fascism we’d have to be under to accomplish this?
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Then we have an idea of who has it.
After forcing the US population to be tested, we’d definitely have an idea.
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Factories should be making more test kits so everyone can get tested and get the results the same day.
They are, it’s just in China. And they don’t work that quick.
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During that time he should have implemented contact tracing through a phone app so we could see who was exposed to who and when.
So you want the government to watch everybody? Over a flu?
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: Ice9]
#26943893 - 09/19/20 11:06 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I don't even need to know whats going on, we already knew from day 1 that it was just to not overwhelm hospitals, you know, the shut downs and social distancing, that is it, it wasn't to defeat the virus, you can't just defeat a virus unless you catch it early enough and then you will just have to isolate from the rest of the world for all eternity other wise the virus will just wind up there again spreading and you are back at square one.
A vaccine can help but won't be 100% effective and many people won't even bother taking it.
You just have to accept there is a virus.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: lowbrow]
#26943899 - 09/19/20 11:08 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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He should have had us working together to stay safe, follow policies,
he tried.
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and to find a cure.
. That’s what’s going on right now.
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Not dividing us and bad mouthing scientists and doctors.
Like who and when?
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That is just easy tip of the iceberg obvious stuff that should have been done.
I guess.
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Our government had the power to stop this a failed miserably
To stop a virus? Uhhh, no. Also ‘and’ not ‘a’.
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and continues to fail miserably because of their pride and non willingness to admit mistakes and bad policies.
I think that’s more of a state thing, not the government.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: lowbrow]
#26943911 - 09/19/20 11:14 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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2 weeks to slow the spread, multiple months of shut downs, mask mandates, social distancing, arresting people for throwing a party, or weddings etc lol and people want even more government intrusion, not only that but tRuMpS intrusion into controlling their lives.
The whole thing is just ridiculous.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: Ice9]
#26943912 - 09/19/20 11:15 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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World Health Organization (WHO) estimates that the flu kills 290,000 to 650,000 people per year.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: Kelazam]
#26943917 - 09/19/20 11:17 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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So far globally 953,318 people have died of covid 19 and it is novel so everyone is getting their first time exposure to it making it a tad worse, it will eliminate people with improper genetic code to respond to it after its first or 2nd global rounds, it will become a common cold.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: budmanman]
#26943920 - 09/19/20 11:18 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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When the y pee poo first came to America their common colds fuck up the natives, now natives do just fine with a our common colds.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: budmanman]
#26943925 - 09/19/20 11:20 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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"When the Europeans arrived, carrying germs which thrived in dense, semi-urban populations, the indigenous people of the Americas were effectively doomed. They had never experienced smallpox, measles or flu before, and the viruses tore through the continent, killing an estimated 90% of Native Americans."
They got rekt because they got first time exposure absolutely no genetic resistance in their gene pool.
https://www.pbs.org/gunsgermssteel/variables/smallpox.html#:~:text=When%20the%20Europeans%20arrived%2C%20carrying,estimated%2090%25%20of%20Native%20Americans.
"Smallpox was lethal to many Native Americans, bringing sweeping epidemics and affecting the same tribes repeatedly. Certain cultural and biological traits made Native Americans more susceptible to these diseases. Emphasis placed on visiting the sick led to the spread of disease through continual contact."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_American_disease_and_epidemics#:~:text=Smallpox%20was%20lethal%20to%20many,of%20disease%20through%20continual%20contact.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: Kelazam]
#26943931 - 09/19/20 11:24 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Kelazam said: World Health Organization (WHO) estimates that the flu kills 290,000 to 650,000 people per year.
Worldwide, with a population of 7.8billion. Covid-19 has killed 200k people in a country with a population of 331 million. Do the math, which is worse.
Also, you are disingenious with that reply, making anything you post suspect.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: budmanman]
#26943941 - 09/19/20 11:29 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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budmanman said: "When the Europeans arrived, carrying germs which thrived in dense, semi-urban populations, the indigenous people of the Americas were effectively doomed. They had never experienced smallpox, measles or flu before, and the viruses tore through the continent, killing an estimated 90% of Native Americans."
They got rekt because they got first time exposure absolutely no genetic resistance in their gene pool.
https://www.pbs.org/gunsgermssteel/variables/smallpox.html#:~:text=When%20the%20Europeans%20arrived%2C%20carrying,estimated%2090%25%20of%20Native%20Americans.
"Smallpox was lethal to many Native Americans, bringing sweeping epidemics and affecting the same tribes repeatedly. Certain cultural and biological traits made Native Americans more susceptible to these diseases. Emphasis placed on visiting the sick led to the spread of disease through continual contact."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_American_disease_and_epidemics#:~:text=Smallpox%20was%20lethal%20to%20many,of%20disease%20through%20continual%20contact.
In 18th-century Europe, it is estimated that 400,000 people died from the disease per year, and that one-third of all cases of blindness were due to smallpox.[10][14] These deaths included six monarchs.[10][14] Smallpox is estimated to have killed up to 300 million people in the 20th century[15][16] and around 500 million people in the last 100 years of its existence.[17] As recently as 1967, 15 million cases occurred a year.[10]
Europeans weren't exactly immune to small pox either.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: Ice9]
#26943949 - 09/19/20 11:34 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah it is a very nasty aggressive and dangerous disease, some diseases are so deadly they kill everyone, like AIDs cept a few small % are actually immune to it, genetically, over time a disease that deadly un regulated would kill everyone without the genetic markers but human intervention has made sure that will never happen.
But the indians had 0 genetic markers and not 100's of years of evolution with the disease which is why the diseases rekt 90% of them, it wasn't reking 90% of y pee poo
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: budmanman]
#26943953 - 09/19/20 11:38 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I wouldn't be surprised that when chicken pox first first entered humans it was probably super fucking deadly, in fact we didn't even know the difference between small pox and chicken pox until 1888 so a lot of those native Americans were probably dying to fucking chicken pox lol.
"Chickenpox was not separated from smallpox until the late 19th century. In 1888 its connection to shingles was determined."
Apparently it was much later than 1888 that we could tell the difference lol.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: Ice9]
#26943960 - 09/19/20 11:43 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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First off, it's spelled "disingenuous". I don't know what makes you think that of me but whatever man. I'm 18 and I took university level high school classes with grades no lower then 90% Just be quite if you are going to be a negative little shit please
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: Kelazam]
#26943966 - 09/19/20 11:46 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Oh and also I forgot to add, the flu has a damn vaccine distributed in mass globally and it still kills that many people, meanwhile covid 19 has no vaccine and is only killing in the lead but a not scary horrific number.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: Lophosaurus]
#26943984 - 09/19/20 11:53 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Most people said it was going away back then. Nobody could have known how this was going to play out back when Trump said it was going away. that was very early on and we just didn't have any information and he decided to say something comforting. point to his acctual policy please. He wasn't the first to restrict travel from China but it wasn't super late compared to the rest of the world either. it was a pretty similar time to the rest of the world yet he was critcized for his travel bans by many people including his future opponent Joe Biden who now flipped and says he did it too late because he's a shameless partisan hack. originally he said it was "fearmongering" among other things. Another voice speaking out against restricting travel was the WHO. I dont see how he's so uniquely late to restrixt travel from china and Europe when he wasnt the first but not the last either and he did so against the wishes of certain influential parties. and no other countries were able to prevent themselves from being seeded with travel restrictions. so how does that show that America did so much worse than the rest of the world?
Everyone was discouraging people from wearing masks. Faucci even said he told people masks weren't necessary not because they weren't effective but because he didn't want to create a shortage. some places in Europe still aren't mandating masks. Thats a poor example of uniquely American failure. for a long time Americans had one of the highest percentage of mask wearers in the world, well above many other western countries.
it wasn't up to the federal government to lock down. besides nobody got through this after "locking down for two weeks" not America, not anybody so are you placing equal blame on every other country?
there weren't enough test kits everywhere.
The government cant force people to sign up for contract tracing apps in the united States. I can imagine even the most Liberal courts would rule that it was constitutional to do so.
How has he been divisive? Democrats are the ones saying everything Trump does is bad and hes so much worse than anyone else for no reason. thats division. none of the points you are making against trump are valid reasons why he acted so uniquely wrong and out of line with the rest of the world but the facts don't matter to you. that sounds like what you're accusing trump of.
BTW Sweden didn't lock down and has been sitting at close to no deaths for quite a while now.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: budmanman]
#26943986 - 09/19/20 11:55 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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More people die from McDonalds ffs More people die from suicide More people die from cancer More people die from heart disease More people die from mosquitoes I went to this website for this information https://fullfact.org/online/coronavirus-daily-deaths/
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: Ice9]
#26943989 - 09/19/20 11:55 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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You are right about that
Still, I see experts discussing the effectiveness of face masks for example. Mandatory here, not mandatory there...
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