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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: BANANA.MAN] * 2
    #26942544 - 09/18/20 02:04 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I think we can all agree that people in charge the world over are just as clueless as us regular folks down in the slums


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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: Tripsurfer] * 1
    #26942600 - 09/18/20 02:46 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

My Fiance passed from Covid, watching her die in two weeks fucking sucked. Still does I miss the woman so bad...Aimee Orme March 14 2020 RIP angel....


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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: superbob57]
    #26942615 - 09/18/20 02:55 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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There were no masks available in the beginning of the pandemic.




Masks have been used for hundreds of years if not thousands, so this is not a new thing.

While supply chains were disrupted due to the human reaction, masks have always been obtainable, at least for those with access to the Internet and a mailing address.  Hell, even in the very thread you have blocked my view of there was a link provided for easy order.


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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: InfiniteDreams]
    #26942674 - 09/18/20 03:32 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Mother Earth always cleanses herself when species (US) get out of hand.
When we stop capitalizing on Health (Life/Death) we will start to see the light; unfortunately it's going to be awhile before this contagious greed dies out.

We need to draw a line somewhere, and for capitalism it's literally Life/Death.


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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: larry.fisherman] * 2
    #26942723 - 09/18/20 03:58 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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larry.fisherman said:
The numbers are exactly what HamHead has been saying for months. In all that arguing with him you guys literally learned nothing. He was being an idiot but you guys basically discredited everything he said. The CDC, said they were accounting shit like "This person committed suicide, but probably had COVID." That's a covid death. Ontario admitted to doing it. A bunch of other countries admitted to doing it. Arguing about the numbers only matters if you haven't been paying attention. Like, you're own little reaction culture, lol. Funny huh?




Pretty much every major news source(even including ultra coservative Fox News and World Economics) and many independent ones have reported that the real death toll is without a doubt higher than the official count. Pretty much anyone working in healthcare will tell you the same. Many deaths occur in homes or nursing facilities and are never tested let alone counted. Covid also directly leads to a myriad of secondary complications, such as pneumonia, blood clots and heart damage, that are dropping people weeks after they are no longer a covid case, as has happened to two of my family members already.

My wife works for one of the largest hospitals on the east coast and it was like a war zone when covid peaked here, they have never seen anything even 1/1000th of that magnitude in terms of influx of severely sick patients, and that was with a shutdown in place and people taking precautions. Her hospital alone had 400 on the covid ward and 100 at any given time in the covid ICU. During a bad flu season, they'll have maybe 3-5 flu patients at a time.

No, the counts are not being inflated by people getting hit by buses or committing suicide and being counted as COVID deaths. Even if that were actually try and the illuminati or whoever were making sure it happened 100% of the time, the amount of people dying during the exact 7-14 days they have a deadly pandemic virus in their system, but their death was unrelated to the virus, would be so miniscule it would have absolutely no statistical significance.

Doing some actual research into how a covid death is counted, why all cause mortality has sky rocketed in every area hit by covid, how covid affects the body and will cause a high number of 'indirect' deaths that will not be counted, would all be good places to start if you want to actually know the facts about what you're spouting. It really is common sense at this point to anyone who's paying attention and can parse the easily available data.. the deadly virus is doing what deadly viruses do, and being deadly.


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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: O_Dweeds] * 1
    #26942735 - 09/18/20 04:06 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)



Luckily for us, socialism is very self cleansing in nature


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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: Tripsurfer] * 2
    #26943004 - 09/18/20 07:09 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

People need to wake up and realize that the pandemic is only an issue due to the extremely unhealthy lifestyles everyone is living.

It is unfortunate that the elderly and otherwise compromised individuals are at risk, and are unduly impacted by the actions of others.  Let's protect them, agreed.

But when people turn a deaf ear to health advice for decades and then something comes along that takes them out...


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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: InfiniteDreams]
    #26943011 - 09/18/20 07:16 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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InfiniteDreams said:

But when people turn a deaf ear to health advice for decades




people generally follow the health advice the best they can, the problem is the health advice they have been given us for decades is to eat a low-fat low-calorie diet, untill the year 2000 they even told us to eat sugar, because it was low fat, heart healthy choice, in the year 2000 when they started telling us to not eat so much sugar, sugar consumption started to drop, it wasnt even till the last couple years they started telling us there is healthy fats such as those from nuts and avacado and its okay to eat those, they told us to eat less fat, and we did, we ate less fat and more carbohydrates, they told us to eat less sugar, and sugar consumption started to drop, wasnt untill recently that the canada food guide said to eat more veggies and less whole grains, but whole grains are still supposed to be 25% of our diet


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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: gopher] * 1
    #26943085 - 09/18/20 08:23 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Stop lying.  Nobody has ever been told to "eat sugar" as health advice.

People have been eating healthy for millennia, it isn't like survival is something new.

Nowadays people are addicted to unhealthy food and want to make every excuse possible.

Quit acting like it is hard or difficult to simply be healthy.  Most of life on the earth accomplishes it day in and day out.


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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: InfiniteDreams] * 1
    #26943105 - 09/18/20 08:38 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

ok reducing sugar has been in the dietary guidelines since the 70's but it was mostly ignored, companies would pull the fat out of products, replace it with sugar and they could then market it as heart healthy(even sugary breakfast cereals today have the heart healthy designation), we were too focused on vilifying fat to vilify sugar for decades and until very recently were told it could be part of a healthy diet, sugar consumption started to drop when they told us to stop eating it, people follow the guidelines the best they can



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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: BANANA.MAN] * 1
    #26943393 - 09/19/20 12:26 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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BANANA.MAN said:
I really cant see how this is America's fault or how America did anything uniquely wrong.

people have died of it all over the planet.

and the USA hasn't had their healthcare system overwhelmed so there haven't been a bunch of preventable deaths.

People have suggested the numbers could be too low or too high so let's just go with what we have. the USA death rate is far below many countries in Europe.

Many places have had their schools open for a long time. Sweden isn't recomending let alone mandating masks and they didnt lock down at all and now their death rate in trending down quickly as they have had almost no deaths for a long time despite a spike in the beggining.

Trump's travel bans early on were  criticized.

I really dont see how the USA is so terrible and out of line  with the rest of the world. you are all acting like there is a definite, observable, articulable thing that the USA did so wrong yet I haven't heard it mentioned in this thread. maybe gathering and rioting int he streets for months wasn't a great idea. sure there may have been mismanagement by governors like Cuomo forcing nursing hoke sto take covid positive patients back. but I dont see why everyone looks at the USA as so out of league with the rest of the world when everywhere has been hit.

It sucks that Covid spread to any humans regardlrss of where they are from and my condolences to anyone affected.




How can you not see it?

Trump lied from the beginning. Down playing it, then saying it was going to go away in a day or two, then by summer. Then saying masks do nothing and discouraging people from wearing masks.

Trump acted months too late.

His travel ban was a failure, and came way too late, like everything else.

He should have locked everybody down for 2 weeks to a month or as long as it took to get testing to sick people and exposed. Then we have an idea of who has it.

Factories should be making more test kits so everyone can get tested and get the results the same day.

During that time he should have implemented contact tracing through a phone app so we could see who was exposed to who and when.

He should have had us working together to stay safe, follow policies, and to find a cure. Not dividing us and bad mouthing scientists and doctors.

That is just easy tip of the iceberg obvious stuff that should have been done. Our government had the power to stop this a failed miserably and continues to fail miserably because of their pride and non willingness to admit mistakes and bad policies.


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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: Lophosaurus]
    #26943562 - 09/19/20 05:26 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Sugar, unlike most starch, contains high levels of fructose. If you eat more than half an ounce of fructose a day, the liver is forced to process it into body fat and store it, leaving you with a caloric deficit because you stashed it, not burned it, and thus you are more hungry than you would have been if the sugar calories had been starch or fat.

So yes, sugar in excess of 1 ounce a day is FATTENING and many people eat more like 3-4 ounces.


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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: Asante]
    #26943567 - 09/19/20 05:34 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

furthermore fructose dosnt make it outta the liver, its stashed as visceral fat instead of subcutaneous fat, contributing to non-alcoholic fatty liver disease


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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: Lophosaurus]
    #26943589 - 09/19/20 06:05 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Lophosaurus said:
Quote:

BANANA.MAN said:
I really cant see how this is America's fault or how America did anything uniquely wrong.

people have died of it all over the planet.

and the USA hasn't had their healthcare system overwhelmed so there haven't been a bunch of preventable deaths.

People have suggested the numbers could be too low or too high so let's just go with what we have. the USA death rate is far below many countries in Europe.

Many places have had their schools open for a long time. Sweden isn't recomending let alone mandating masks and they didnt lock down at all and now their death rate in trending down quickly as they have had almost no deaths for a long time despite a spike in the beggining.

Trump's travel bans early on were  criticized.

I really dont see how the USA is so terrible and out of line  with the rest of the world. you are all acting like there is a definite, observable, articulable thing that the USA did so wrong yet I haven't heard it mentioned in this thread. maybe gathering and rioting int he streets for months wasn't a great idea. sure there may have been mismanagement by governors like Cuomo forcing nursing hoke sto take covid positive patients back. but I dont see why everyone looks at the USA as so out of league with the rest of the world when everywhere has been hit.

It sucks that Covid spread to any humans regardlrss of where they are from and my condolences to anyone affected.




How can you not see it?

Trump lied from the beginning. Down playing it, then saying it was going to go away in a day or two, then by summer. Then saying masks do nothing and discouraging people from wearing masks.

Trump acted months too late.

His travel ban was a failure, and came way too late, like everything else.

He should have locked everybody down for 2 weeks to a month or as long as it took to get testing to sick people and exposed. Then we have an idea of who has it.

Factories should be making more test kits so everyone can get tested and get the results the same day.

During that time he should have implemented contact tracing through a phone app so we could see who was exposed to who and when.

He should have had us working together to stay safe, follow policies, and to find a cure. Not dividing us and bad mouthing scientists and doctors.

That is just easy tip of the iceberg obvious stuff that should have been done. Our government had the power to stop this a failed miserably and continues to fail miserably because of their pride and non willingness to admit mistakes and bad policies.



And what about the countries that didn't lock down and did fine? That alone makes this point moot. This thread really exemplifies to me that a lot of y'all lost asf on this shit :lol:


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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #26943629 - 09/19/20 06:55 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Dont forget the huge disagreements within the scientific community itself

I mean its like national agencies doing 180's on what the WHO is claiming


No matter what you do, your political adversaries will claim its the wrong thing


Personally I dont know what to think of the whole situation :shrug:


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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: gopher]
    #26943644 - 09/19/20 07:11 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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gopher said:
furthermore fructose dosnt make it outta the liver, its stashed as visceral fat instead of subcutaneous fat, contributing to non-alcoholic fatty liver disease



This doesnt tend to be  a problem for people eating fruit though, its more of a problem drinking a bunch of high fructose corn syrup or eating a bunch of sucrose at one time- soft drinks, donuts, cakes, etc.

Anecdotally, I eat quite a lot of fruit and my triglyceride levels are really low- (not to mention that I am obviously in shape). I think the fiber plays a role in reducing the rate at which the liver has to process the fructose and also reduces triglyceride and cholesterol levels


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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: morrowasted]
    #26943667 - 09/19/20 07:35 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

yeah in nature sugars come with fibre, except for honey, but that comes with bees, if sugar is a poison, fibre is the antidote, I still dont trust fruit 100% its not the same fruit as in the paleolithic, well some berries are still low sugar, I try not to have more than 1-2 servings of fruit a day, but then I ruin it some days by haveing 1-2 servings of sugary junkfood like oreos or something LOL, Id probably be better off eating all the fruit I could at that point


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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: gopher]
    #26943686 - 09/19/20 08:01 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I pray to finally get some good news


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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: Tripsurfer]
    #26943779 - 09/19/20 09:41 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Their are no disagreements in the scientific community itself(outside a few people being paid handsomely to promote disinformation), instead what are you seeing within the scientific community is how information is shared and reviewed in real time during an emergency. A paper will come on the totally novel virus, it will be discussed, likely another sever other labs try replicate the papers data, and if they cannot those conclusions will be discarded.  But because of preprint servers, and how fast information is disseminated now, people have already heard their conclusions, seen it was a legit scientific group with all the bona fides expected and take it ass gospel, then when it is refuted, the individual people have an emotional reaction to something they thought was true but turned out to be false, and per usual double down on that nonsense, instead of understanding science is iterative and rarely gets it "fight the fist time".


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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #26943780 - 09/19/20 09:43 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

larry.fisherman said:
Quote:

Lophosaurus said:
Quote:

BANANA.MAN said:
I really cant see how this is America's fault or how America did anything uniquely wrong.

people have died of it all over the planet.

and the USA hasn't had their healthcare system overwhelmed so there haven't been a bunch of preventable deaths.

People have suggested the numbers could be too low or too high so let's just go with what we have. the USA death rate is far below many countries in Europe.

Many places have had their schools open for a long time. Sweden isn't recomending let alone mandating masks and they didnt lock down at all and now their death rate in trending down quickly as they have had almost no deaths for a long time despite a spike in the beggining.

Trump's travel bans early on were  criticized.

I really dont see how the USA is so terrible and out of line  with the rest of the world. you are all acting like there is a definite, observable, articulable thing that the USA did so wrong yet I haven't heard it mentioned in this thread. maybe gathering and rioting int he streets for months wasn't a great idea. sure there may have been mismanagement by governors like Cuomo forcing nursing hoke sto take covid positive patients back. but I dont see why everyone looks at the USA as so out of league with the rest of the world when everywhere has been hit.

It sucks that Covid spread to any humans regardlrss of where they are from and my condolences to anyone affected.




How can you not see it?

Trump lied from the beginning. Down playing it, then saying it was going to go away in a day or two, then by summer. Then saying masks do nothing and discouraging people from wearing masks.

Trump acted months too late.

His travel ban was a failure, and came way too late, like everything else.

He should have locked everybody down for 2 weeks to a month or as long as it took to get testing to sick people and exposed. Then we have an idea of who has it.

Factories should be making more test kits so everyone can get tested and get the results the same day.

During that time he should have implemented contact tracing through a phone app so we could see who was exposed to who and when.

He should have had us working together to stay safe, follow policies, and to find a cure. Not dividing us and bad mouthing scientists and doctors.

That is just easy tip of the iceberg obvious stuff that should have been done. Our government had the power to stop this a failed miserably and continues to fail miserably because of their pride and non willingness to admit mistakes and bad policies.



And what about the countries that didn't lock down and did fine? That alone makes this point moot. This thread really exemplifies to me that a lot of y'all lost asf on this shit :lol:




What countries didn't lock down and did fine? I don't see any evidence of that anywhere.


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