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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: BANANA.MAN]
#26942351 - 09/18/20 12:25 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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yeah there havent been preventable deatgs due toverwhelming of the healthcare system so I dont see what deaths you can blame on management rather than nature for creating this virus.
Are you trolling?
Please re-elect Trump if he's so great. Like a nuke Trump's damage is greatest nearest to him so, reelect the guy.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: Asante]
#26942357 - 09/18/20 12:27 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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yeah there havent been preventable deatgs due toverwhelming of the healthcare system so I dont see what deaths you can blame on management rather than nature for creating this virus.
Are you trolling?
Please re-elect Trump if he's so great. Like a nuke Trump's damage is greatest nearest to him so, reelect the guy.
I'm not an American citizen and can't vote for trump.
Lol you used the numbers to say USA is doing worse than Nigeria but won't follow YOUR OWN logic to the realization that by that metric the netherlands has done worse than USA. no self awareness.
I dont see what problem you have with the post you quoted its true. you can't blame deasths that weren't preventable on mismanagement. Nature caused the virus. not USA.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: BANANA.MAN]
#26942372 - 09/18/20 12:42 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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We took draconian matters even in the absence of masks, they were not available then. The population, complied significantly.
lol so the netherlands was more impacted and didn't mandate masks unlike many places in USA
There were no masks available in the beginning of the pandemic.
Since you insist on going there:
America: 20% of documented COVID dead. Also America: 4% of world population. = 5x world average
Holland: 0.6% of documented COVID dead. Also Holland: 0.22% of world population. = 2.7x world average
Holland did about twice better during their national emergency than the US during their first brush with COVID.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: Asante]
#26942382 - 09/18/20 12:48 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Netherlands
6266 ÷ 88 073 × 100 = 7.11%
USA
198 000 ÷ 6 700 000 × 100 = 2.95%
lol @ the beggining of the pandemic. back then only east Asian countries even gave masks any praise. everyone else had a negative opinion of them including most western experts.
the netherlands is still not advising let alone mandating masks. so i don't see how you're blaming the usa for "doing nothing" when its done more than the netherlands in that regard.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: BANANA.MAN]
#26942387 - 09/18/20 12:54 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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We are talking DEAD, Banana Man.
Yes, we were much harder hit as to cases of illness.
Yes, we kept lethality way down compared to the USA.
Calculate the dead this time, not the number of illnesses.
You have about 200,000 DEAD, we have about 5600.
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Seems like "socialist health care" won it from "the best health care in the world"
Holland is led by a bunch of pig turds too, the difference is that the Dutch don't do mental gymnastic to deny that their leaders are pig turds. We dont compulsively have to be #1.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: Asante]
#26942395 - 09/18/20 12:58 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Asante said: We are talking DEAD, Banana Man.
Yes, we were much harder hit as to cases of illness.
Yes, we kept lethality way down compared to the USA.
Calculate the dead this time, not the number of illnesses.
You have about 200,000 DEAD, we have about 5600.
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Seems like "socialist health care" won it from "the best health care in the world"
Holland is led by a bunch of pig turds too, the difference is that the Dutch don't do mental gymnastic to deny that their leaders are pig turds. We dont compulsively have to be #1.
I am counting dead. did you even look at the numbers I posted? I calculated the CFR of netherlands vs usa. netherlands has a higher fatality rate.
you did not keep the lethality down compared to USA. and even if you had, I'm asking a question that you have consistently ignored or given vague responses to. What did the USA do wrong that proves the disparity you have in your mind is due to management and not circumstance?
Idk why you are saying you when im not American.
The USA hasnt been overwhelmed so idk how on earth you could blame the death rate (which is lower than the netherlands death rate btw) on the strength of the healthcare you are just looking for anything to confirm your bias. so shameless.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: BANANA.MAN] 1
#26942396 - 09/18/20 12:58 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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the netherlands is still not advising let alone mandating masks. so i don't see how you're blaming the usa for "doing nothing" when its done more than the netherlands in that regard.
We are near the bottom of the graph of rate of currently infected., the US is near its peak.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: Asante]
#26942398 - 09/18/20 01:01 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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What did the USA do wrong that proves the disparity you have in your mind is due to management and not circumstance?
Completely ignore the pandemic in the first months?
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: Asante]
#26942399 - 09/18/20 01:01 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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the netherlands is still not advising let alone mandating masks. so i don't see how you're blaming the usa for "doing nothing" when its done more than the netherlands in that regard.
We are near the bottom of the graph of rate of currently infected., the US is near its peak.
near its peak without overwhelm? sounds like a success as the whole point of lovking down was to get passed the peak without overwhelm.
if one country gets through the curve faster but doesn't overwhelm the healthcare system causing preventable deaths how have they done any worse than a country that took longer to get through the curve?
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: Asante]
#26942401 - 09/18/20 01:02 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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What did the USA do wrong that proves the disparity you have in your mind is due to management and not circumstance?
Completely ignore the pandemic in the first months?
lol how? you're being vague and dishonest again.
Trump's early action was criticized by many.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: BANANA.MAN] 2
#26942406 - 09/18/20 01:07 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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fold.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: Asante] 1
#26942414 - 09/18/20 01:12 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's like trying to converse with a brick wall isn't it?
Just be happy you don't live here; it's like this communicating with the majority of people here.
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Jokeshopbeard said: It's like trying to converse with a brick wall isn't it?
Just be happy you don't live here; I deal with this shit with the vast majority of humans I communicate with here.
lol its not my fault he has no response to my valid points and hasnt thought through his own position thoroughly enough to rationalize it at all and had to resort to vague untruths.
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#26942430 - 09/18/20 01:21 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Just be happy you don't live here
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: BANANA.MAN] 1
#26942431 - 09/18/20 01:22 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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No, he was entirely valid.
You just seem incapable of looking at the USA with any sense of rationality.
As I said earlier, this is faaaar from the first time you've jumped on your soapbox to defend the country; it's your modus operandi at this point.
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So in the USA about 0,0006% of the population died, here in NL its a bit over 0,0003%
No need to get all upset about it
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Jokeshopbeard said: No, he was entirely valid.
You just seem incapable of looking at the USA with any sense of rationality.
As I said earlier, this is faaaar from the first time you've jumped on your soapbox to defend the country; it's your modus operandi at this point.
none of asates points were valid and he didnt even realize that i WAS comparing death rates between the two countries
im not eve necessarily defending USA im asking someone to articulate specifically what the usa has done wrong in comparison to other countries. win me over man im willing to hear you out.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: Tripsurfer]
#26942466 - 09/18/20 01:33 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Tripsurfer said: So in the USA about 0,0006% of the population died, here in NL its a bit over 0,0003%
No need to get all upset about it
exactly I dont see how the two countries are on such different levels in Asantes mind. and NL has had a lower percentage of the population infected so the cfr is higher if anything the netherlands has done worse. im not blaming that on the netherlands though or claiming that they have done such a terrible job that is so out of line with the rest of the world. idk why so many people direct such a disproportionate amount of outrage at the USA without articulating what they have done so uniquely wrong.
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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: BANANA.MAN]
#26942470 - 09/18/20 01:35 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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BANANA.MAN said: win me over man im willing to hear you out.
No, you're a lost cause. Just like Asante, I fold when it comes to you and the USA.
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BANANA.MAN said: win me over man im willing to hear you out.
No, you're a lost cause. Just like Asante, I fold when it comes to you and the USA.
well then I have no reason to change my mind because I have heard a bunch of criticism of the US covid response but I havent heard a single truthful rationale behind that sentiment.
I want to hear rational arguments from people I disagree with. I want an elevated discourse. I want to be able to work with people I disagree with. I dont wanna do a gotcha or bicker I want to hear how you justify the ideas you promulgate so people can understand each other. understanding and acknowledging a problem is the first step to fixing it. We cant help eahother fix problems wif we dont identify them. no ill will man, only love.
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