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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #26955264 - 09/25/20 11:32 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Cases
7.05M
Deaths
203K

From google

United States
Coronavirus Cases:
7,244,184
Deaths:
208,440
Recovered:
4,480,719

From ttps://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/


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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 *DELETED* [Re: Ice9]
    #27137164 - 01/09/21 09:18 AM (3 years, 19 days ago)

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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: greenladel] * 1
    #27137181 - 01/09/21 09:23 AM (3 years, 19 days ago)

Daily new cases in India shows them really kicking ass. I honestly expected it to blow up there. But look at the USA vs them right now:







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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: Ima Trooper] * 1
    #27137437 - 01/09/21 11:04 AM (3 years, 19 days ago)

Third world conditions don’t seem to be optimal for covid spread. People living in housing where there aren’t windows and with a lot of air flow. Working and spending a lot of time outside. The spike in India was during the hottest part of the year and the monsoons when people are most likely to want to be inside. This time of year in India is very comfortable outdoor weather.


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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: koods] * 2
    #27139685 - 01/10/21 12:15 PM (3 years, 18 days ago)

I used to believe the shroomery was full of intellects.  I was naive then.

The entire "pandemic" falls apart the minute you confirm three things:

1)  The annual death rate has stayed consistent for the last 10 years
2) Covid deaths "skyrocketing", but flu has plummeted.
3) RT-PCR is now the diagnosing method for infection (totally unscientific)

The difference between then and now (2020) is how influenza was diagnosed.  You had to admit yourself to the hospital and show visible physical symptoms to be counted in flu statistics.  Today, we are getting swabbed for corona virus.  If merely 1 single fragment of sars-cov2 shows up in your test, you are counted as infected/sick/case, REGARDLESS of being sick or not.  And we know how the science community throws around the phrase  correlation does not imply causation.  Who is to say that sars-cov2 is causing you knee pain or that swelling around your dick?

That is the unscientific way of diagnosing infections and the symptoms that come with it.  Sars-cov2 (and any string of RNA) has a higher chance to be detected as the cycle threshold is increased in labs in PCR testing.  It is stated that labs that have used 30+ cycles (which the bar was admittedly set at 45 in some areas), is a guaranteed detection of sars-cov2.  That's a whopping 100% case rate that means absolutely nothing.


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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: koods]
    #27139692 - 01/10/21 12:21 PM (3 years, 18 days ago)

It's kind of surprising that India's first wave happened so late given its geographic proximity to China. But I get the impression that there may not be all that much travel between China and India in spite of the fact that they are both in Asia and they both have huge populations.


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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: Morgenstern] * 5
    #27139968 - 01/10/21 02:40 PM (3 years, 18 days ago)

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Morgenstern said:
I used to believe the shroomery was full of intellects.  I was naive then.

The entire "pandemic" falls apart the minute you confirm three things:

1)  The annual death rate has stayed consistent for the last 10 years
2) Covid deaths "skyrocketing", but flu has plummeted.
3) RT-PCR is now the diagnosing method for infection (totally unscientific)

The difference between then and now (2020) is how influenza was diagnosed.  You had to admit yourself to the hospital and show visible physical symptoms to be counted in flu statistics.  Today, we are getting swabbed for corona virus.  If merely 1 single fragment of sars-cov2 shows up in your test, you are counted as infected/sick/case, REGARDLESS of being sick or not.  And we know how the science community throws around the phrase  correlation does not imply causation.  Who is to say that sars-cov2 is causing you knee pain or that swelling around your dick?

That is the unscientific way of diagnosing infections and the symptoms that come with it.  Sars-cov2 (and any string of RNA) has a higher chance to be detected as the cycle threshold is increased in labs in PCR testing.  It is stated that labs that have used 30+ cycles (which the bar was admittedly set at 45 in some areas), is a guaranteed detection of sars-cov2.  That's a whopping 100% case rate that means absolutely nothing.




I’ll never understand how people can be so wrong in a time when data is so easily available.

No, the death rate was not anywhere near consistent in 2020



Yes, the flu has plummeted. That’s what happens when people wear masks and most school systems and society itself gets redesigned to protect against viral transmission. Flu is far less contagious and more seasonal than COVID, and the flu season never really got off the ground last year (as many scientists predicted). Many hospitals have always made staff who refused flu vaccines wear masks, they don’t do it for fun.

Flu is currently being tested for at a higher rate than ever before in history, and doctors determine cause of death based on the evidence. If someone tests positive for covid and dies of covid symptoms, the amount of times covid would be an inaccurate cause of death would be statistically insignificant and would still be cancelled out (and then some) by all the deaths that go untested and unrecorded. Deaths where covid is present but not cause of death do get recorded, but that’s for research purposes and the death count put out by the CDC only includes cases where covid was the cause of death.

NH normally has 200 deaths a year from flu and pneumonia-like illness. Even with all the precautions, they’ve still had 900 covid deaths. My wife’s hospital would normally have a handful of flu patients during the worst flu seasons, when covid hit they had to shutdown their massive pediatrics department to convert it to a covid ward to house the 400 covid patients they were treating, with another 100 in the covid-specific ICU. They’re only one of like 20 hospitals in the city too. The rehab hospital I’ll be doing rotations at had to be converted into a COVID specific facility, the after-effects they’re seeing are devastating. It’s truly horrific seeing people who were perfectly healthy a month ago now unable to even lift a spoon to their mouths or take more than a couple steps on their own without passing out from lack of oxygen and fatigue.

The only people I’ve seen try to blame the death count on PCR testing are conspiracy theorists who watched some YouTube video and now think they’re virologists. It really is mind boggling the shit that’s dribbling out of the mouths of people who have no idea what the fuck they’re talking about.


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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: psi]
    #27139979 - 01/10/21 02:44 PM (3 years, 18 days ago)

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psi said:
It's kind of surprising that India's first wave happened so late given its geographic proximity to China. But I get the impression that there may not be all that much travel between China and India in spite of the fact that they are both in Asia and they both have huge populations.




India also doesn’t really have the infrastructure for national public health reporting though, unless it’s changed during the pandemic. Even in normal times a huge proportion of deaths are never officially counted, and most deaths never receive a cause of death there. Can’t imagine they got it all together for testing during all the chaos of the pandemic, but hopefully I’m wrong and they are doing well with it. My guess would be more towards there only being a limited amount of people with access to testing, and those people/areas being on the downswing of spikes


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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: feevers]
    #27140004 - 01/10/21 02:59 PM (3 years, 18 days ago)

Yeah their testing rate does not seem to be super high, 130k per million population vs 816k for the US. Several times higher than Mexico's though.


https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/


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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: psi] * 2
    #27140031 - 01/10/21 03:15 PM (3 years, 18 days ago)

Quote:

Morgenstern said:
I used to believe the shroomery was full of intellects.  I was naive then.

The entire "pandemic" falls apart the minute you confirm three things:

1)  The annual death rate has stayed consistent for the last 10 years
2) Covid deaths "skyrocketing", but flu has plummeted.
3) RT-PCR is now the diagnosing method for infection (totally unscientific)

The difference between then and now (2020) is how influenza was diagnosed.  You had to admit yourself to the hospital and show visible physical symptoms to be counted in flu statistics.  Today, we are getting swabbed for corona virus.  If merely 1 single fragment of sars-cov2 shows up in your test, you are counted as infected/sick/case, REGARDLESS of being sick or not.  And we know how the science community throws around the phrase  correlation does not imply causation.  Who is to say that sars-cov2 is causing you knee pain or that swelling around your dick?

That is the unscientific way of diagnosing infections and the symptoms that come with it.  Sars-cov2 (and any string of RNA) has a higher chance to be detected as the cycle threshold is increased in labs in PCR testing.  It is stated that labs that have used 30  cycles (which the bar was admittedly set at 45 in some areas), is a guaranteed detection of sars-cov2.  That's a whopping 100% case rate that means absolutely nothing.




PCR is the standard diagnostic tool for detecting viral infections, and has been for two decades. You are incorrect about the flu. To be an official flu case, you need a positive test. That test is a pcr test. Non confirmed flu cases are called “influenza like illness.” That is the designation for symptomatic flu without a test.

As for the death rate, US mortality for 2020 is at least 15% higher than 2019 and is the greatest spike in mortality in over a century.

Stop posting garbage you read on the web. The internet is making a lot of people dumb with misinformation. It’s not like the correct information isn’t available to you.


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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: Morgenstern] * 1
    #27140054 - 01/10/21 03:26 PM (3 years, 18 days ago)

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If merely 1 single fragment of sars-cov2 shows up in your test, you are counted as infected/sick/case,




Lol no. It takes thousands and that is before amplification.

Aside from contamination, a positive sars cov2 pcr test is a qualitative result meaning you are currently infected or had an active infection in the recent past. It’s very difficult to have enough of these viral particules in your body without being an infected host.


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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: feevers] * 1
    #27140544 - 01/10/21 07:38 PM (3 years, 18 days ago)

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The only people I’ve seen try to blame the death count on PCR testing are conspiracy theorists who watched some YouTube video and now think they’re virologists. It really is mind boggling the shit that’s dribbling out of the mouths of people who have no idea what the fuck they’re talking about.




In any one year from 2000-2015, you can find a difference in deaths ranging from over 200-300k deaths.  Right, we may not be EXACTLY on average in deaths, which allows leverage for the dipshit "fact checkers" that you worship to talk about and debunk you with.

If that is the case, then there still is no excess in mortality.  Your dumb scary spike chart doesn't mean shit to me or anyone who has a brain.  Hospitals can easily be overrun now that there are INEFFICIENT COVID regulations to go by.  They will also fill up in large cities in the winter.  Not uncommon.  And it's not uncommon to have idiots scared shitless because of fear mongering news every single fucking day, "COVID COVID COVID".

Sorry, but you're wrong on all levels.  Rural, and small city hospitals are just fine.  PS: Get fucked.  I spent 5 unemployed months researching everything I needed to know.  You're just a cocksucker that listens to MSM.


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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: koods]
    #27140560 - 01/10/21 07:42 PM (3 years, 18 days ago)

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koods said:
PCR is the standard diagnostic tool for detecting viral infections




The AMA has been compromised since the early 1900s and funded by people (bankers) who only had money in mind.  It's no surprise you believe every little science article you read.  Same spiel in the 1980s with HIV and PCR testing.  Even the creator of the test would disagree with you.  It may be "the standard" but it means absolutely nothing.  It's a money maker.  And as of right now, it's being used as pandemic illusion maker.


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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: Morgenstern] * 3
    #27141020 - 01/10/21 11:28 PM (3 years, 17 days ago)

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The only people I’ve seen try to blame the death count on PCR testing are conspiracy theorists who watched some YouTube video and now think they’re virologists. It really is mind boggling the shit that’s dribbling out of the mouths of people who have no idea what the fuck they’re talking about.




In any one year from 2000-2015, you can find a difference in deaths ranging from over 200-300k deaths. .



That’s completely false. The number of deaths in such a large country is extremely predictable, and while there has been a steady increase in death rate in the last decade, due to drug overdoses, the jump In mortality this year is unprecedented in modern times. 2020 is projected to have a mortality rate of nearly 10 per 1000.

2019        8.782 1.120%
2018 8.685 1.220%
2017 8.580 1.240%
2016 8.475 1.270%
2015 8.369 1.270%
2014 8.264 1.290%
2013 8.159 0.090%
2012 8.152 0.090%
2011 8.145 0.090%
2010 8.138 0.090%
2009 8.131 0.090%
2008 8.124 -0.960%
2007 8.203 -0.950%
2006 8.282 -0.960%
2005 8.362 -0.940%
2004 8.441 -0.930%
2003 8.520 -0.330%
2002 8.548 -0.330%
2001 8.576 -0.310%
2000 8.603 -0.320%

Show me a year where deaths increased by more than 100k. Do you even check the shit you post to make sure you’re accurate


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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: Morgenstern] * 2
    #27141021 - 01/10/21 11:29 PM (3 years, 17 days ago)

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Quote:

koods said:
PCR is the standard diagnostic tool for detecting viral infections




The AMA has been compromised since the early 1900s and funded by people (bankers) who only had money in mind.  It's no surprise you believe every little science article you read.  Same spiel in the 1980s with HIV and PCR testing.  Even the creator of the test would disagree with you.  It may be "the standard" but it means absolutely nothing.  It's a money maker.  And as of right now, it's being used as pandemic illusion maker.




Idiotic

And the inventor of the PCR never said you can’t use pcr for testing. A little fact checking would confirm that. Do you people ever check to see if the shit you are posting is accurate. You’re like fucking automatons repeating what you read on fringe websites. Think for yourselves. You people are becoming a danger to society.


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    #27141035 - 01/10/21 11:40 PM (3 years, 17 days ago)

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I spent 5 unemployed months researching everything I needed to know



You would have been better off watching Jerry springer.


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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: koods]
    #27141353 - 01/11/21 06:48 AM (3 years, 17 days ago)

The pcr test is superfluous for someone who has covid badly enough that they end up dying from it. Diseases have a constellation of signs and symptoms.  This one is new. There are similar things but even without the pcr we could tell you from radiology and various blood tests alone that this disease was something not seen before.


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Re: Almost 200k dead from covid-19 [Re: koods]
    #27141768 - 01/11/21 10:59 AM (3 years, 17 days ago)

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I spent 5 unemployed months researching everything I needed to know



You would have been better off watching Jerry springer.



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