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FBI chief testifies that Russia is currently influencing in the election in trumps favor 1
#26941216 - 09/17/20 07:13 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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So to people who don't dismiss real US intelligence gathering or just think everything negative about Trump is a hoax you may want to listen to the FBI chief director testifying that "The intelligence communities consensus is that Russia continues to try and influence our elections primarily through maligned foreign influence as opposed to the cyber attacks on voting infrastructure. We have not seen this second part yet this year but we have certainly seen very active very active efforts by the Russians to influence our elections in 2020. Through what I would call the maligned foreign influence ex Social media, use of proxies state media, online journals etc in effort to both sow decisiveness and discord. And the intelligence community has asses this publicly : to primarily denigrate vice president Biden and what the Russians see is an anti Russian establishment(with biden). That's essentially what we are seeing in 2020
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Re: FBI chief testifies that Russia is currently interfering in the election in trumps favor [Re: Seriously_trippin]
#26941237 - 09/17/20 07:35 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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He’s talking about influencing, not interfering. Foreign powers influencing the election is important to think about, but not as severe/dramatic as interference.
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Re: FBI chief testifies that Russia is currently interfering in the election in trumps favor [Re: Skellies]
#26941260 - 09/17/20 07:58 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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austothehun said: He’s talking about influencing, not interfering. Foreign powers influencing the election is important to think about, but not as severe/dramatic as interference.
As long as we as a nation take it seriously and know the Russians want Biden to lose and have influenced the election I can say influenced instead of interfering THIS time but it's still horrible and shows corrupt enemies want trump in power and are actively trying to make that happen
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Re: FBI chief testifies that Russia is currently interfering in the election in trumps favor [Re: Seriously_trippin] 3
#26941524 - 09/17/20 11:26 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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The intelligence community's consensus is that Russia continues to try to influence our elections primarily through what we would call "maligned foreign influence" as opposed to what we saw in 2016 where there was also an effort to target election infrastructure (cyber targeting). We have not seen that second part yet this year, or this cycle. But we certainly have seen very active efforts by the Russians to influence our election in 2020 through what I would call the "maligned foreign influence" side of things... social media, use of proxies, state media, online journals etc.
So no "cyber targeting" this time around has been found, and no big political spending like in 2016 (~$10,000) on crazy Facebook/Google click-bait ads? Just Russians sharing their thoughts on social media sites like the Shroomery? OH MY, we wouldn't want to have that discussion! Should we censor foreign countries from our Internet like China does in some cases?
I remember last election when Russia tried to get Trump to win. That is, until it was proven they weren't helping Trump at all, then the narrative had to change to "sowing discord" (because THAT'S never happened in election history befoere!)
And I remember when they failed to find evidence of Trump-Russia election "collusion", so we changed the narrative to election "interference", even though the charges against the parent company of the Internet Research Agency (IRA) had to be dropped due to a lack of evidence (or due to the FBI claiming it was more important to keep things secret than to find Russia guilty of election interference in court).
I'll leave you with this story from The Onion:
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Lamenting that any interesting challenge in disrupting the vote has been completely removed from his job, Russian operative Pavel Artemyev reportedly expressed disappointment Friday that gerrymandering has taken all the fun out of hacking the 2020 election. “I really thought it would be a huge thrill trying to dismantle the U.S. democratic system, but it looks like all the work has already been done,” said Artemyev, who claimed that any excitement he once had about diminishing Americans’ faith in their democracy quickly disappeared upon the realization that elected U.S. officials had tirelessly toiled to suppress voters with discriminatory and partisan-rigged district maps. “I got into this because I wanted to make a difference, only to hack the Florida rolls and find out most of the African American voters have already been purged. It kind of sucks because there’s no way my work could be as substantive as polling-place closures, malfunctioning equipment, and laws that allow election officials to reject ballots without standards or repercussions. I’m basically getting paid to do nothing.” At press time, Artemyev had settled on creating and spreading false news stories about Sharia Law in the U.S. only to discover dozens of American publications already doing that as well.
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Re: FBI chief testifies that Russia is currently interfering in the election in trumps favor [Re: Skellies]
#26941641 - 09/18/20 02:43 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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austothehun said: He’s talking about influencing, not interfering. Foreign powers influencing the election is important to think about, but not as severe/dramatic as interference.
If Russians are trying to get Trump reelected, then can you explain a useful difference, between the terms influencing and interfering? I don't know you and I'm not at all arguing with you. But a bunch of us have been going back and forth on this for a long time. They say there is nothing to this story. Some called it fake news. I keep saying once Trump is out of office this issue is only going to get bigger.
Off topic, but FBI director Christopher Wray (appointed by Trump) also just said about ANTIFA, "It's not a group or an organization, it's a movement or an ideology." This will hinder Trump's efforts to designate them as a terrorist organization.
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Re: FBI chief testifies that Russia is currently interfering in the election in trumps favor [Re: Brian Jones] 2
#26942001 - 09/18/20 08:42 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Russia isn't "interfering in the election". Stop with the false narratives.
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Re: FBI chief testifies that Russia is currently interfering in the election in trumps favor [Re: Brian Jones]
#26942293 - 09/18/20 11:35 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Look, if there's any Russians posting here on the shroomery, they may well be "influencing" the election if they successfully argue their points. It matters not what their nationality is, but what their argument is. I'm not Russian, so the FBI probably classifies me as one of those Russian "proxies" talked about in the OP, since I often speak with US citizens who were born in Russia.
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Re: FBI chief testifies that Russia is currently interfering in the election in trumps favor [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 1
#26942303 - 09/18/20 11:44 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Trump and Biden are both 'interfering in the election'.
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Re: FBI chief testifies that Russia is currently interfering in the election in trumps favor [Re: qman]
#26942310 - 09/18/20 11:48 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: FBI chief testifies that Russia is currently interfering in the election in trumps favor [Re: Brian Jones]
#26942393 - 09/18/20 12:57 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Brian Jones said: If Russians are trying to get Trump reelected, then can you explain a useful difference, between the terms influencing and interfering? I don't know you and I'm not at all arguing with you. But a bunch of us have been going back and forth on this for a long time. They say there is nothing to this story. Some called it fake news. I keep saying once Trump is out of office this issue is only going to get bigger.
Interference would mean they stop/hinder the election operations or infrastructure, which would be a huge security and legitimacy issue. Examples could include changing vote counts, messing with ballots, etc.
Influencing would involve changing who people choose to vote for, weather through persuasion, disinformation, etc. When considering global politics, it’s important to identify which countries are influencing the election, in support of who, and consider why they’re doing it.
I haven’t been following super closely, but so far I’ve only seen evidence of the latter.
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Seriously_trippin said: As long as we as a nation take it seriously and know the Russians want Biden to lose and have influenced the election I can say influenced instead of interfering THIS time but it's still horrible and shows corrupt enemies want trump in power and are actively trying to make that happen
I think influence is normal in the realm of geopolitics. It’s something voters should consider though.
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Re: FBI chief testifies that Russia is currently interfering in the election in trumps favor [Re: Skellies]
#26942409 - 09/18/20 01:09 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Seriously_trippin said: As long as we as a nation take it seriously and know the Russians want Biden to lose...
I think influence is normal in the realm of geopolitics. It’s something voters should consider though.
Many Russians don't want Biden to win, because he'll ramp the cold war back up, and that's not good for anyone but the military industrial complex. I'm in agreement with them.
It's funny how many people now make the establishment's argument: "Russia doesn't like Biden, therefore we should all vote Biden". But the argument really should be "Russia doesn't want another cold war, and anyone who agrees shouldn't vote Biden"
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Re: FBI chief testifies that Russia is currently interfering in the election in trumps favor [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26942517 - 09/18/20 01:50 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah, a cold war would be so much worse than the active, hot war that's been raging for almost two decades now.
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Re: FBI chief testifies that Russia is currently interfering in the election in trumps favor [Re: Enlil]
#26942528 - 09/18/20 01:55 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: FBI chief testifies that Russia is currently interfering in the election in trumps favor [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26942529 - 09/18/20 01:56 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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You haven't noticed that we've been at war for almost two decades?
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Re: FBI chief testifies that Russia is currently interfering in the election in trumps favor [Re: Skellies]
#26942581 - 09/18/20 02:27 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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austothehun said: He’s talking about influencing, not interfering.
If I hold a piece of iron near a compass it points to a whole nother direction than its meant to. I am merely influencing the compass but it interferes with its natural outcome.
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Re: FBI chief testifies that Russia is currently interfering in the election in trumps favor [Re: Asante]
#26942585 - 09/18/20 02:29 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Russia can't really deploy its navy and shell the US coastal cities on both coasts.
It can, however, help to get Trump re-elected which does even more damage.
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Re: FBI chief testifies that Russia is currently interfering in the election in trumps favor [Re: Asante]
#26942591 - 09/18/20 02:33 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Both Putin and David Duke stated a preference for Trump as their candidate of choice.
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Re: FBI chief testifies that Russia is currently interfering in the election in trumps favor [Re: Asante]
#26942603 - 09/18/20 02:48 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Trump being elected in 2016 was a great internal win for Russia, because Trump is widely considered to be a fool that is under Putin's control in Russia. I mentioned it before, but there were multiple headlines saying "Trump is ours" in the Russian news back in 2017. Several of my cousins openly asked me how it felt having POTUS being subordinate to Putin.
Trump being re-elected in 2020 will only magnify that.
From an outside perspective, Trump is a joke. People I know in Europe, it's a bad, scary joke. People I know in Russia, it's hilarious. There are a small minority of people seriously saying that the Cold War didn't end until 2016, when the US became a vassal state of Russia.
I don't think that assessment is entirely correct. Yet.
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Re: FBI chief testifies that Russia is currently interfering in the election in trumps favor [Re: Enlil]
#26942630 - 09/18/20 03:05 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Enlil said: You haven't noticed that we've been at war for almost two decades?
A hot war with Russia? No, I haven't noticed.
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Re: FBI chief testifies that Russia is currently interfering in the election in trumps favor [Re: Asante] 1
#26942633 - 09/18/20 03:07 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Asante said: If I hold a piece of iron near a compass it points to a whole nother direction than its meant to. I am merely influencing the compass but it interferes with its natural outcome.
Kind of like if Americans are given more information to consider, it interferes with their natural state of ignorance?
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