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Re: Why do people enjoy cannabis? [Re: Loaded Shaman]
    #26940030 - 09/17/20 01:57 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I pretty much agree with the statement above. Everything in moderation.

I personally love cannabis and it has been part of my life since my teenage years (now in my mid 30s). I regard myself as a quite functional and healthy person. I have a job, married, two children. Fortunately I live in a country that has decriminalized the use of Cannabis. I am in the position to grow my own, without the paranoia of getting caught one day. I enjoy the whole process from germinating a seed till enjoying a properly cured bud. I have plenty available but I limit my use to 0,5 - 1 gram in the evening. Occasionally, when I am in nature I enjoy some during the day too. There also used to be times I really overdid it regularly and that resulted in all kinds of undesirable effects and the desired effects diminished. I think with cannabis you need to find your sweet spot and stick to it.

Cannabis really helps me getting in touch with nature or it helps me enjoy some good music even more. Cannabis also helps me balance my emotions. So for me personally the negatives outweigh the positives.

However I can see how some people don't like the effects and just decide it's not for them.


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Re: Why do people enjoy cannabis? [Re: Loaded Shaman] * 2
    #26940962 - 09/17/20 04:13 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah I agree it's showing you parts of your self, the same with psilocybin or LSD, but I never have quite the same physical effect on those psychedelics as I do on THC, I have gone into full on groin locked up, freezing convulsions from high doses of THC, it seems like it innately causes me anxiety or perhaps shows me and manifests anxiety in me, no matter what I do I never seem to pin down how to cure that feeling while on thc though, whereas psilocybin or LSD will bring me to great relief and push me through those feelings, cannabis kind of keeps me locked in them, this is a consistent thing too, I think it's just how the plant shows you. I guess you could say I grow stronger each time, last time it happened I just accepted it as part of the ride, but it still didn't make it dissipate, I just chose not to focus on it, which may be the lesson :wink:


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Re: Why do people enjoy cannabis? [Re: Eclipse3130] * 2
    #26941010 - 09/17/20 04:48 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I like to describe a cannabis high as a little miniature LSD or mushroom trip. It's psychoactive.:mushroom2:


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Re: Why do people enjoy cannabis? [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26941111 - 09/17/20 05:48 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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I like to describe a cannabis high as a little miniature LSD or mushroom trip. It's psychoactive.:mushroom2:



Qualitatively, I find all three drugs you listed to be very different. Plus, I think a strong does of edibles are much more of a commitment than a mild mushroom trip.


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Re: Why do people enjoy cannabis? [Re: Nonagon Infinity] * 1
    #26941187 - 09/17/20 06:38 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

True, but at the onset it can seem like with the heavier psyches for me in particular.


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Re: Why do people enjoy cannabis? [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26941282 - 09/17/20 08:26 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

For me weed is psychoactive as well, but it's like "here's my brain and body".  Whereas mushrooms are like "here's the universe". 

Both are likely equally valid but I only actually trip in the latter one - because it has more doors into hyperspace, I suppose. :shrug:


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Re: Why do people enjoy cannabis? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #26941833 - 09/18/20 07:04 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

dose management with shrooms can be more certain - this gives a smoother attitude (mindset), and a smoother ride.

Inhaled drugs act faster so there is a potential shock value (especially DMT/Salvia but also weed).

when cannabis gets heavy by accidentally smoking a bit too much (i.e. 5-10 mins after a much bigger toke of extract than intended) I get twinges and tension flashes and then when I relax I am in wonderland and am soon considering another hit, which I usually put off for an hour or so, or next day maybe.

but in low lighting, the world gets anointed with (fractal?) patterns and light even if I don't have another toke. I especially love my concrete floor which has excellent animation and familiar characters.

When I smoke, the body warms and relaxes immediately, but 5 or 6 minutes later I may experience shock recovery for a minute or so. This is less likely with shrooms.

Oral THC is almost always too high a dose with too slow an onset, and too long a squirmy cycle.

individual gummies are nice, you forget you took it, and hours later is lovely.


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Re: Why do people enjoy cannabis? [Re: Loaded Shaman] * 1
    #26942669 - 09/18/20 03:27 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Weed has always been great for me, i'm functional, creative and content for the most part.

The hardest realisation i've had is that i am all of those things WITHOUT cannabis, after exploring my spiritual side, my trauma and my creativity in the last few years i came to realise that weed was helping me hold myself back, in a very possessive and deceiving way...it's an incredibly useful medecine and tool but i (like with many others) have been conditioned to abuse most things - and weed is possibly the most easily abusable substance in existence for me because i function so well.

If i have it, i will smoke it (well, vape it now i have the dynavap) constantly, even after a break i'll be back up to big tolerance within a week.

So i now have this cycle of smoking for a couple of weeks when things are too much/as a reward - then going cold turkey once i'm feeling lazy/worrying about the financial cost/feeling hazy especially in the mornings.

Like with anything, moderation is key and i just find that cannabis is quite possessive in it's effect.




Moderation is the key, but more so balance; something very few people consciously embrace willingly without some sort of negative personal experience or perception of it. I always laugh because most people's notion of balance is simply stopping one activity while not balancing anything else out in the process. So, a different flavor of the same imbalance, but they think they're onto something because they stopped smoking weed.

See, everyone has a story like this but misses the forest for the trees IMHO: the weed is showing you more of yourself.

Many people suddenly stop because they realize the weed lets them relax a bit too much or skirt personal issues, but those issues are never non-solvable. Your awareness OF THEM increases. They are more center of attention. I feel this is why people get anxiety; they don't want to face themselves.

The drug is irrelevant.

If you're not solving your issues once aware of them no amount of abstinence from any drug is going to solve them. You can stop smoking pot and stay right where you are or you can be high AF all day and solving your personal issues.  A lot of people are a balance of the two. I smoke .25g every 3-4 hours and my health, career/income, and relationships have never been better. To each their own when you're in the zone. (my little catch phrase saying).

If stopping smoking pot helps you on your path all the power to you. I find that many simply replace variables, get a dopamine spike from feeling like they're stopping/starting a new good habit, then repeat the same shit with zero changes to the present besides the wrapping paper.

Cannabis ironically breaks this chain of negative confluence, until people start blaming the pot itself instead of using the solutions to problems it provides via the temporary increase in conscious awareness.




Perfectly stated. Tired of ex-smokers gloating over their ex "addiction".


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Re: Why do people enjoy cannabis? [Re: cannacrab]
    #26943443 - 09/19/20 01:42 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Yeah I agree it's showing you parts of your self, the same with psilocybin or LSD, but I never have quite the same physical effect on those psychedelics as I do on THC, I have gone into full on groin locked up, freezing convulsions from high doses of THC, it seems like it innately causes me anxiety or perhaps shows me and manifests anxiety in me, no matter what I do I never seem to pin down how to cure that feeling while on thc though, whereas psilocybin or LSD will bring me to great relief and push me through those feelings, cannabis kind of keeps me locked in them, this is a consistent thing too, I think it's just how the plant shows you. I guess you could say I grow stronger each time, last time it happened I just accepted it as part of the ride, but it still didn't make it dissipate, I just chose not to focus on it, which may be the lesson :wink:




Hey man, different chemicals do different things to different people. I have many friends that can't smoke anymore; it just instantly gives them anxiety and triggers panic disorders. I totally get it. In no way, shape, or form am I the type of person to just strong arm push anything completely on anyone. I truly feel everyone requires different "chemical keys" to "unlock" themselves. Cannabis provides a steady IV drip of contact for me, that lets me think and feel clearly through my general anxiety (which I've had since childhood).


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Weed has always been great for me, i'm functional, creative and content for the most part.

The hardest realisation i've had is that i am all of those things WITHOUT cannabis, after exploring my spiritual side, my trauma and my creativity in the last few years i came to realise that weed was helping me hold myself back, in a very possessive and deceiving way...it's an incredibly useful medecine and tool but i (like with many others) have been conditioned to abuse most things - and weed is possibly the most easily abusable substance in existence for me because i function so well.

If i have it, i will smoke it (well, vape it now i have the dynavap) constantly, even after a break i'll be back up to big tolerance within a week.

So i now have this cycle of smoking for a couple of weeks when things are too much/as a reward - then going cold turkey once i'm feeling lazy/worrying about the financial cost/feeling hazy especially in the mornings.

Like with anything, moderation is key and i just find that cannabis is quite possessive in it's effect.




Moderation is the key, but more so balance; something very few people consciously embrace willingly without some sort of negative personal experience or perception of it. I always laugh because most people's notion of balance is simply stopping one activity while not balancing anything else out in the process. So, a different flavor of the same imbalance, but they think they're onto something because they stopped smoking weed.

See, everyone has a story like this but misses the forest for the trees IMHO: the weed is showing you more of yourself.

Many people suddenly stop because they realize the weed lets them relax a bit too much or skirt personal issues, but those issues are never non-solvable. Your awareness OF THEM increases. They are more center of attention. I feel this is why people get anxiety; they don't want to face themselves.

The drug is irrelevant.

If you're not solving your issues once aware of them no amount of abstinence from any drug is going to solve them. You can stop smoking pot and stay right where you are or you can be high AF all day and solving your personal issues.  A lot of people are a balance of the two. I smoke .25g every 3-4 hours and my health, career/income, and relationships have never been better. To each their own when you're in the zone. (my little catch phrase saying).

If stopping smoking pot helps you on your path all the power to you. I find that many simply replace variables, get a dopamine spike from feeling like they're stopping/starting a new good habit, then repeat the same shit with zero changes to the present besides the wrapping paper.

Cannabis ironically breaks this chain of negative confluence, until people start blaming the pot itself instead of using the solutions to problems it provides via the temporary increase in conscious awareness.




Perfectly stated. Tired of ex-smokers gloating over their ex "addiction".




I don't mean to come off as elitist or preachy in my last post there. It's just how I've always felt. It's interesting to watch how sometimes abstaining from drugs can become as much of an emotional high as doing the drugs themselves (in a sense, of course), lol.


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Re: Why do people enjoy cannabis? [Re: Loaded Shaman] * 1
    #26943710 - 09/19/20 08:26 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I don't think i'll ever entirely remove it from my life, your point about it being great for breaking negative cycles is the reason i return - the perspective cannabis can give me, especially in regards to anger/resentment, is so valuable in my progression at times.
Makes me realise, within moments, that what i've been holding on to is often just so silly.

Brilliant medecine in that regard.

100% agree that abstinence becomes the drug of choice for certain people, or exercise or whatever - just as boring as listening to people constantly talk about weed/how high they are, is listening to the opposite.
Some feel the need to define themselves based off what they do/don't consume, a large part of my journey has been working to break free from that thinking. Still trying.


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Re: Why do people enjoy cannabis? [Re: Piaseski]
    #26943975 - 09/19/20 11:50 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

It combines the high with the pleasure of growing a plant that already gives you plenty if you have 1 or 2.

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Re: Why do people enjoy cannabis? [Re: Piaseski]
    #26945271 - 09/20/20 12:52 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't think i'll ever entirely remove it from my life, your point about it being great for breaking negative cycles is the reason i return - the perspective cannabis can give me, especially in regards to anger/resentment, is so valuable in my progression at times.
Makes me realise, within moments, that what i've been holding on to is often just so silly.

Brilliant medecine in that regard.

100% agree that abstinence becomes the drug of choice for certain people, or exercise or whatever - just as boring as listening to people constantly talk about weed/how high they are, is listening to the opposite.
Some feel the need to define themselves based off what they do/don't consume, a large part of my journey has been working to break free from that thinking. Still trying.




I remember McKenna mentioning that the "correct way to do cannabis", in his experienced opinion, is about once a week in a moderate-to-high dosage. Funny thing is if I only smoked once a week .25-.5g would decimate me, lmao. It's true though. Cannabis for me is a daily partner for general living. I don't require it, and if I'm ever low or out I'm not just burning through it all day (rather have it for sleep later, etc.), but it absolutely enhances everything for me, and curbs my general anxiety to the point where I can function and run a small business during a fucking pandemic LOL.


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Re: Why do people enjoy cannabis? [Re: Podenco]
    #26946443 - 09/20/20 03:50 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

With somewhat of a tolerance, it can be incredibly relaxing.

For people with elevated levels of constant anxiety, it can provide immediate and lasting relief, with less negative side effects than the classically prescribed benzodiazepines (Xanax, clonazepam, etc.).

It adds a sense of depth (like a 3D quality) to music.

It makes food taste amazing.


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Re: Why do people enjoy cannabis? [Re: Shroomsandstuff]
    #26947338 - 09/21/20 07:42 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

as I re-discovered 2 days ago, when I took 3 one-hitter's full of strong bubble hash in a 2 hour period, instead of my usual 2 pipes, too much is not better than the right amount.

I may have been looking at some beautiful stuff on screen, and thus accidentally went one toke over the line. (what the hell! this is great!)

10 minutes later -> NAUSEA, DIZZINESS, the slightest movement was terrible. so I somehow navigated to bed, and fell asleep immediately with no lasting problem.


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Re: Why do people enjoy cannabis? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26947432 - 09/21/20 08:52 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Why do i feel like alot of people who dont like smoking erb, tend to be the same people with 3 DUIs . I guess some people just cant handle their shit.


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Re: Why do people enjoy cannabis? [Re: PsilyZee]
    #26947459 - 09/21/20 09:26 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

you mean they get stopped for driving drunk?
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Re: Why do people enjoy cannabis? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26947478 - 09/21/20 09:43 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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you mean they get stopped for driving drunk?
like train wreckers





Ive met people who basically despise marijuana, yet these same people get drunk everyday of the week. I guess sheeple will always be sheeple. We need to start handing out butt plugs to such people, it will help them keep their head out of their ass.


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Re: Why do people enjoy cannabis? [Re: PsilyZee]
    #26947483 - 09/21/20 09:46 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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you mean they get stopped for driving drunk?
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Ive met people who basically despise marijuana, yet these same people get drunk everyday of the week. I guess sheeple will always be sheeple. We need to start handing out butt plugs to such people, it will help them keep their head out of their ass.



If only it would. Those types of people will ALWAYS be shitty and choose to remain ignorant for some unknown reasoning.:confused:


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Re: Why do people enjoy cannabis? [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26947491 - 09/21/20 09:53 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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you mean they get stopped for driving drunk?
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Ive met people who basically despise marijuana, yet these same people get drunk everyday of the week. I guess sheeple will always be sheeple. We need to start handing out butt plugs to such people, it will help them keep their head out of their ass.



If only it would. Those types of people will ALWAYS be shitty and choose to remain ignorant for some unknown reasoning.:confused:





The kind of people that buy that whole "If im right, im right, and if im wrong im still right" bullshit. You could show them the scientific facts to prove to them they are wrong, but they will still argue with you until they are blue in the face.

Ill never understand these people. I guess they call them narcissists.


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Re: Why do people enjoy cannabis? [Re: PsilyZee]
    #26947499 - 09/21/20 09:57 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

They were imprinted from birth by people who also would/will not accept the facts. Luckily it gets filtered each generation, but sometimes the imprinting is VERY strong and holds no matter what.


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