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SFF 6qt Shoebox Questions - 9 days in and 1st pins - advice/suggestions
#26939648 - 09/16/20 06:50 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Greetings Mush Cult!
I've been posting on another thread and sharing my experiences of going from spores -> agar -> grain -> shoebox.
I haven't done shoeboxes in a couple years and brain is fuzzy. Currently I'm wading through forum posts, but trying to focus on the good info in the SFF Shoebox Tek by ShaperDreaming.
9 days from spawn, and things seem to be looking good. 3 out of 4 tubs made it - one contammed and was followed from beginning to fail.
I think the tubs look pretty good, covers are on top without being "clicked" on, and first pins showed up today on one tub.
Threw some pics here along with a side view to get an idea of internal climate:
  
1A has some lil fellas trying to say hello:

Side tub view:

I guess I'm at a point where kinda nervous about next steps.
Read about leaving em till they just push up through the cover.
I used to throw another tub upside down that had a couple of polyfil or micropore covered holes on it that I'd try and fiddle with.
I was thinking about doing that again so there's a cover over them to maintain humidity/climate.
Maybe I'm just being needy and looking for confirmation and get anecdotal comments or suggestions. 
I'm trying to keep a good log of what I'm doing and share that for others to hopefully benefit from by not making the same mistakes I do.
Thanks in advance for any info!
WFG
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Re: SFF 6qt Shoebox Questions - 9 days in and 1st pins - advice/suggestions [Re: WunFunGai]
#26939689 - 09/16/20 07:18 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Just keep doing what you're doing, be patient and you'll have a successful project.
Leave the lid on with the latches shut under it so it allows FAE that way. Depending on where you're keeping the stuff you might need to dial it in differently.
Also some strains will put up with almost anything and some are very picky, so you just kind of have to go with the flow and see what works.
Edited by TheMagicConch (12/31/20 01:16 PM)
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WunFunGai
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Re: SFF 6qt Shoebox Questions - 9 days in and 1st pins - advice/suggestions [Re: TheMagicConch]
#26940379 - 09/17/20 09:15 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hi!
Thanks for the kind and helpful response.
You're right. I guess I'm at at point in the process where I've been unsure or have made mistakes in the past, and want to improve or have better technique and/or results.
So you read, reread, and scour information that's available, see conflicting advise or opinions, that make you question what you're doing or how you're doing it.
I'll keep checking conditions and try to refrain from fiddling or fretting over it as you've suggested.
Surface conditions look pretty on point. There are a few more pins starting to show on 1A (last tub and one only one with pins so far) but no rapid growth changes yet. The top surface on all boxes are either completely white with rhyzo strands peaking out and filling in and getting a bit like a fluffy carpet with moisture still looking good across the top.
Been about a year or so since last unmodded tub run and several since my last shoebox run so I feel a bit rusty in terms of what I recall of my old process.
Again, thanks for the reply. It's much appreciated.
WFG
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Re: SFF 6qt Shoebox Questions - 9 days in and 1st pins - advice/suggestions [Re: WunFunGai]
#26940395 - 09/17/20 09:27 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Looks great. Leave them alone now. That's the hardest part about mushroom cult when you get started. You feel like you should be proactive and doing something. You've got pins, now just let them grow.
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Re: SFF 6qt Shoebox Questions - 9 days in and 1st pins - advice/suggestions [Re: Gastronomicus]
#26940638 - 09/17/20 12:34 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I've been running shoeboxes for a few months now, and I also did what you did—compiled info from a variety of the shoebox teks, and try to make sense of what'd work for me. You might absolutely nail it on the first try, but I'm learning that, just like with any fruiting tek, your personal conditions matter a lot.
I tried to follow SD's tek to the letter, and I wound up with not enough FAE. I tried keeping the lid on (latched) while colonizing, and unlatched once pins started forming. I ended up with an overly-wet tub and skinny stems. What works better for me is to flip the lid and tilt it slightly askew, or dub-tub from early on. (No mods, just skewing the lid slightly if it gets too condensated.)
I avoid misting the first flush at all, and for subsequent flushes, I use the condensation on that second tub to determine when I should mist—if there's some condensation, I ease off, but if there's no condensation on that tub, it's time to give another spritz or two. [EDIT: After doing more reading, I've realized that using tub condensation as a misting indicator is bad advice! Ambient temperature is a factor in condensation, so it's not quite so simple as "no condensation = time to mist".]
Since shoeboxes don't really have their own somewhat-self-regulated climate control in the way that larger monotobs can achieve, I've learned that it's been really useful to have a temperature/humidity gauge in my cultivation area. I live in a place where the humidity fluctuates greatly, and I've learned that instead of following a "rule of thumb" with misting, I really need to pay attention to the ambient humidity. If it's muggy and 85% humidity, I have to back way off, or risk aborts.
Based on the thoroughness of your agar work, I'm sure you'll nail this tek in no time.
Edited by redbee (09/21/20 08:53 AM)
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Re: SFF 6qt Shoebox Questions - 9 days in and 1st pins - advice/suggestions [Re: redbee]
#26941623 - 09/18/20 01:51 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Gastronomicus said: Looks great. Leave them alone now. That's the hardest part about mushroom cult when you get started. You feel like you should be proactive and doing something. You've got pins, now just let them grow.
Hey G! You are right of course. It's just hard not to want to "do something" - I'm committing myself to checking only twice per day once in the morning and at night but otherwise leaving the tubs alone. The conditions inside are better than anything I've ever had by fussing so I'm trying to learn to let go...
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redbee said: I've been running shoeboxes for a few months now, and I also did what you did—compiled info from a variety of the shoebox teks, and try to make sense of what'd work for me. You might absolutely nail it on the first try, but I'm learning that, just like with any fruiting tek, your personal conditions matter a lot.
I tried to follow SD's tek to the letter, and I wound up with not enough FAE. I tried keeping the lid on (latched) while colonizing, and unlatched once pins started forming. I ended up with an overly-wet tub and skinny stems. What works better for me is to flip the lid and tilt it slightly askew, or dub-tub from early on. (No mods, just skewing the lid slightly if it gets too condensated.)
I avoid misting the first flush at all, and for subsequent flushes, I use the condensation on that second tub to determine when I should mist—if there's some condensation, I ease off, but if there's no condensation on that tub, it's time to give another spritz or two.
Since shoeboxes don't really have their own somewhat-self-regulated climate control in the way that larger monotobs can achieve, I've learned that it's been really useful to have a temperature/humidity gauge in my cultivation area. I live in a place where the humidity fluctuates greatly, and I've learned that instead of following a "rule of thumb" with misting, I really need to pay attention to the ambient humidity. If it's muggy and 85% humidity, I have to back way off, or risk aborts.
Based on the thoroughness of your agar work, I'm sure you'll nail this tek in no time. 
Thanks for the reply. The 3rd and 4th paragraphs were gold for me. I get it...Thanks. I'll pay more attention to careful observation conditions vs. mechanics. 
Update: Came home from work and other 2 tubs have just started pinning. All were spawned on 09/07. So 9-10 days from spawn.
Got some new neighbors... A bit of PsiloPr0n for your enjoyment. Shot of 1A that had first pins. I'm happy the surface conditions look pretty good from what I've read. This is my best "textbook" looking conditions compared to what I have done in the past. It's always been hit or miss, feast or famine for me.

Thanks for the replies and consideration.
Enjoy.
WFG
-------------------- The Official TNF Reccomended Teks & Methods Bod's Simplified Cultivation Methods <-- Awesome!!! D3monics Perfect Transfers and Agar Tek No matter where you go, there you are... - Buckaroo Banzai You gotta be here, if you're not all there...
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