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First time growing grey oysters!
    #26938904 - 09/16/20 12:00 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Hi guys!
As the title says. This is my first time growing grey oysters, and I've noticed some fruits looks like this.


As you can see the first fruits of the clusters seem to be okay. But the ones that grow behind them seem to be like tan, with like a brownish color, and immature. They don't grow more than that.
What should I correct for next time? What's the issue behind it?


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Re: First time growing grey oysters! [Re: gabbk]
    #26939000 - 09/16/20 01:01 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Look like aborts to me.  Not sure your diagnosis, some aborts are normal.  Out of curiosity tho,what's your humidity like?  I see some splitting on the edges of the good caps.


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Re: First time growing grey oysters! [Re: Harry Manbach]
    #26939061 - 09/16/20 01:29 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Oh... I was suspecting aborts too.
I made a few 4liter (1.05 gallons) buckets, and fruited them the middle of my kitchen (where is has around constant 50% humidity). As I'm quarantined all day I mist it like 4/5 times per day, some days even more.
Do you suspect it could be the misting/ambient humidity or the spawn itself? The substrate is just 45% wood pellets and 55% water.


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Re: First time growing grey oysters! [Re: gabbk]
    #26939093 - 09/16/20 01:44 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I'm curious a more experienced answer myself, but I'd say, having not tried greys specifically, that those results are actually pretty good for that low of humidity!

  My golds started splitting when my humidity got down to 65 for a night.

  For straight hardwood chilling in the kitchen, I'd be pretty happy with one or two of those clusters per bucket!!


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Re: First time growing grey oysters! [Re: Harry Manbach]
    #26939175 - 09/16/20 02:24 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks HM!
I'm pretty happy with the results tough, I reached to eat the first harvest with my family :grin:
Next time I'll try adding more I'll switch from 45pellets/55water to 40/60 and see how it goes!


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Re: First time growing grey oysters! [Re: gabbk]
    #26939330 - 09/16/20 03:54 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah these need some humidity my friend, misting doesn't quite the mustard in open air. I think you want humidity like 100% all the time. I know it's at least 90. If you want to keep fruiting on your countertop, you could probably make some kind of humidity tent out of a garbage bag (the clearer the better) and mist the fruits _and_ the inside of the bag frequently. Maybe even cut the garbage bag at the seems to make like a big blanket you can drape over something else. Ideally the garbage bag / tent thing doesn't touch the fruits. Not ideal but you'd probably see an improvement in the fruit bodies esp after dialing in the FAE.


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Re: First time growing grey oysters! [Re: junk_f00d]
    #26939337 - 09/16/20 04:00 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

To me they just look like natural aborts. Big fruits usually have aborts, it's just how the mushroom diverts energy. Also, hope you were just doing an experiment to test how they grow past prime or something , cause they are way past harvest time. Lookin old and leathery! Gotta pluck those dlicious morsels before the caps start inverting! You may know that, IDK what your goals are everyone is different.


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Re: First time growing grey oysters! [Re: sendmehummus]
    #26939374 - 09/16/20 04:18 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Oh great guys thanks for your advice!

I will try to find a way to retain more humidity then.

And to be honest I didn't the right time to harvest. I guess now it's to late :rofl::lol: but anyways they are going to the pan tonight!

Edit: if it's not too much bother, could someone do me a favor and post some pics of oysters at right time to harvest vs early and too late please? I am having a hard time getting the concept of 'inverting caps' :facepalm:


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Re: First time growing grey oysters! [Re: gabbk]
    #26939585 - 09/16/20 06:07 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)



This is when you harvest. Before the caps start curling upwards. No worries though you will still enjoy those older ones.. but picked at the right time drastically improves texture and flavor IMO. Caps should look like caps when you harvest, not cups. If that helps :smile:


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Re: First time growing grey oysters! [Re: sendmehummus]
    #26939616 - 09/16/20 06:23 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Oh, this might be odd, but now that I notice, my oysters don't look at all like these, in none of the fruiting stages.

This is a pic or an early harvest that I did by accident, they grow up with this pattern:

The caps grow up tall and upwards like that all the time. Very differently. Could it be genetics?

Here is another pic for you to note the different physiognomy. My very first harvest of these grey oysters, fully matured:


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Re: First time growing grey oysters! [Re: gabbk]
    #26939645 - 09/16/20 06:47 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Interesting. Those 2 pics look prime, no signs of browning or cracking. They are still a diff immature shape than I am used to with oysters thats for sure. I leave this analysis to the knowledge of wiser shroomers. The ones I have pictured are also grey doves, but yeah.. genetics could be playing a role here.. or nutrients.. Nice first grow you will learn ALOT going forward. Hope you enjoyed them!


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Re: First time growing grey oysters! [Re: sendmehummus]
    #26939894 - 09/16/20 10:38 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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To me they just look like natural aborts. Big fruits usually have aborts, it's just how the mushroom diverts energy. Also, hope you were just doing an experiment to test how they grow past prime or something , cause they are way past harvest time. Lookin old and leathery! Gotta pluck those dlicious morsels before the caps start inverting! You may know that, IDK what your goals are everyone is different.




These fruits are wicked dry; they were grown in open air. Oysters do have high numbers of aborts, but if grown properly they are not leathery (no offense OP). I also think the latter pics he has supplied don't quite look prime, look at the outer edge of the mature fruits, it is much darker; a sign of very low humidity (almost as if it is being singed from the dryness), and the fruits are a bit extended, with the stipes taking up an undesirable amount of the volume.

To OP, you will get much bigger fruits with proper humidity, it is absolutely worth the low amount of effort it requires. I harvest when the caps are still convex but bordering concave. You will get less stipe mass with proper humidity IME. Below is a picture of a cluster I grew in a similar conditions (plastic tarp draped over a framed shelf that I misted frequently). It still had some browning on the edges from the improper humidity but might give you an idea of what it looks like when it's harvest time.



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Re: First time growing grey oysters! [Re: junk_f00d]
    #26939910 - 09/16/20 11:06 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Hahaha I expected to make some mistakes on my first try, so no offense taken!

Actually I really appreciate the time you guys took to write those advices.

That tip on the edge color is great... Definitely will pay close attention to it after upping the humidity with a transparent bag or plastic tarp as you guys suggested.

I'm pretty pretty sure the next flushes or grows will be a lot better:dancer:

Edit: I just looked the pic. Awesome! Great reference. Will check it out again when I get near harvest again.


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Re: First time growing grey oysters! [Re: gabbk]
    #26940137 - 09/17/20 05:36 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

It can also be that your substrate has not enough volume to support the amount of mushrooms that initially started growing. So some of them naturally abort.

I observed it in my containers, especially initially when I drilled too many holes. Now I drill way less holes to have just few big clusters only.


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Re: First time growing grey oysters! [Re: bogdancev]
    #26940779 - 09/17/20 02:06 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Long stipes are from not enough FAE not from low humidity. You have to keep the air moving even in the open air with a circulation fan. Don't blow the fan on the mushrooms though. They grow long stip to try and grow out of the co2 rich environment. If you stop them from growing long stipes they will grow larger caps. So you need both FAE and humidity. Which is hard to do without at least a tent.
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Re: First time growing grey oysters! [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #26940797 - 09/17/20 02:15 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

True, oysters can actually be a good indicator if your house has too much CO2 buildup (not enough ventilation).


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Re: First time growing grey oysters! [Re: Forrester]
    #26940971 - 09/17/20 04:19 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Long stipes are from not enough FAE not from low humidity. You have to keep the air moving even in the open air with a circulation fan. Don't blow the fan on the mushrooms though. They grow long stip to try and grow out of the co2 rich environment. If you stop them from growing long stipes they will grow larger caps. So you need both FAE and humidity. Which is hard to do without at least a tent.
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Shrooms is right. I didn't mean to imply the long stipes were from low humidity, just that this characteristic is definately not 'prime'. I was struggling to understand why the stipes were so long since they're being fruited in the middle of the kitchen.. kind of crazy really.


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Re: First time growing grey oysters! [Re: junk_f00d]
    #26941030 - 09/17/20 04:55 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Oh... I get it a little bit more now.
Altough there isn't so much CO2 (the kitchen is in the middle of a very spacious house, with lots of windows around and very few walls) there might be lack of continuous air flow.
Aside from building a tent with plastic tarps, I'll try opening more frequently the windows now that here spring is coming and see how it progress.


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Re: First time growing grey oysters! [Re: junk_f00d]
    #26941036 - 09/17/20 04:58 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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I was struggling to understand why the stipes were so long since they're being fruited in the middle of the kitchen.. kind of crazy really.




Same here!

Then I remembered the last house I lived in we had to have a furnace guy come put a hole in our wall basically, because the house was so tight built it didn't get any ventilation and it was causing the furnace to have problems. 

The point being, sometimes even "open air" isn't that open if it's indoors.  Dunno if that's the case here or not but it's possible.


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Re: First time growing grey oysters! [Re: gabbk]
    #26941066 - 09/17/20 05:15 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Oh... I get it a little bit more now.
Altough there isn't so much CO2 (the kitchen is in the middle of a very spacious house, with lots of windows around and very few walls) there might be lack of continuous air flow.
Aside from building a tent with plastic tarps, I'll try opening more frequently the windows now that here spring is coming and see how it progress.




You have to understand that mushrooms take in oxygen and produce co2 so even in open-air co2 will build up around the mushrooms if the air is not moving. For this reason, I suggest a circulation fan even in the open air. The co2 will not stay around the mushrooms if the air is moving.


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