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Re: Trump suggests people should commit voter fraud [Re: Kryptos]
    #26933568 - 09/13/20 02:38 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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The minor fig leaf of "stolen" elections is not convincing, because there is no evidence that a US election has ever been stolen, with the possible exception of Bush v Gore, which was decided by the supreme court of the US, and not the supreme court of Florida, because republicans thought there were less democrats in SCOTUS at the time.



That's because there's not enough transparency to prove it.  And that's the problem.

Just look at the countless problems we've discussed with the Democratic Primaries.

And election report cards by state.

And a list of current vulnerabilities.

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Yes, it is interesting that republicans not only refuse to fix the broken system under which they have won only one popular vote in the last 30 years, but actively block such reforms with cries of "unconstitutional" and "treason".



Both sides in congress are against more voting transparency.

The last two links above that things need to improve are from both sides of the isle.


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Re: Trump suggests people should commit voter fraud [Re: Kryptos]
    #26934366 - 09/13/20 11:05 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Yes, it is interesting that republicans not only refuse to fix the broken system under which they have won only one popular vote in the last 30 years, but actively block such reforms with cries of "unconstitutional" and "treason".



This is precisely why I describe the Republican party as the anti-democratic party. Republican stances on the electoral college and voting policy in general is a large part of the reason I usually vote Democrat, even though Democrats are still leo-liberal capitalists who come bundled with a lot of the same problems that Republicans do.


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Re: Trump suggests people should commit voter fraud [Re: Nonagon Infinity]
    #26934435 - 09/14/20 01:50 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I'm not happy with either side when it comes to fair voting.  It seems conservatives focus on voter identification and security to protect against fraud, while liberals try to ensure as many voters get a chance to vote as possible.  I suspect the main reason for this discrepancy is that a smaller pool of voters tends to favor Republicans while a larger pool tends to favor Democrats.

But at the end of the day, does either system really ensure the votes are counted fairly after people vote?  I've suggested the following:
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Have elections closely monitored by world observers.  Equip all polling locations with at least two HD webcams, a computer, an emergency power supply and an uplink to the web so the polling stations can be closely monitored.  Make ALL voting done on paper ballots by the voters.  Count the votes in the presence of candidates’ representatives and independent monitors.  And ensure someone gets at least 50% of the vote or there is a runoff election between the two most popular candidates.



Just kidding, that wasn't my suggestion.  It's how voting is done in Russia, but I think it's a vast improvement over our current system.



We have an entire thread of election shenanigans that always seemed to go against Bernie, possibly explained by the following video showing the former Deputy Director of the FBI saying one of the missions of the FBI was to keep progressives from getting elected.  (not a joke)



Keep watching and you see that they also try to keep non-insiders out (such as Trump).  Though I'm not a fan of Trump, I'm opposed to the FBI/CIA making the decision to keep him out, rather than the voters.

Be sure to watch the entire video if you want your eyes opened.  And if you don't like Jimmy Dore, ignore his commentary and just watch the video clips he posts.  Unreal.


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Re: Trump suggests people should commit voter fraud [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26934957 - 09/14/20 10:45 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I think voting can be much easier. You log onto a website, say, vote.gov, you put in your name, address, DOB, and SSN, and you vote.

If it's good enough for taxes, online voting would work pretty well. Uncle Sam don't like people fucking with his cash flow.

Even the rich people routinely committing tax fraud submit tax returns, the fraud part is making them unnecessarily complicated to hide income.


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Re: Trump suggests people should commit voter fraud [Re: Kryptos]
    #26935375 - 09/14/20 03:11 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I love the idea of online voting, but both sides have been against making the code for such a system open to the public for review.  That makes me wonder if they want the ability to manipulate results?  But I agree if done right, it's doable.


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Re: Trump suggests people should commit voter fraud [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26935387 - 09/14/20 03:16 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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both sides have been against making the code for such a system open to the public for review.



This, paired with the fact that we live in a country full of luddites who are completely dependent on technology for their businesses and lifestyles, but who have no understanding of how it works.


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Re: Trump suggests people should commit voter fraud [Re: Nonagon Infinity]
    #26935965 - 09/14/20 09:29 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

He was clearly joking.  Fake news.


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Re: Trump suggests people should commit voter fraud [Re: meltdowner] * 1
    #26936059 - 09/14/20 10:20 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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He was clearly joking.  Fake news.



That's kind of the magic of Donald Trump. Literally almost anything he says can be taken as "just a joke" or "just an exaggeration", which is a large part of what makes him so difficult to criticize in the face of a supporter.

However, that's besides the point. Even assuming that he was sincerely joking about this (and I contend that it wasn't a joke), don't you think there are certain things that the president shouldn't make jokes about? I would definitely classify voter fraud as something that a president probably ought not joke about, but that's just me.


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Re: Trump suggests people should commit voter fraud [Re: Kryptos]
    #26936286 - 09/15/20 02:17 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

he might as wwll take a play a out there book


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Re: Trump suggests people should commit voter fraud [Re: 1uptoadstool] * 1
    #26936344 - 09/15/20 04:18 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Donald Trump is a prime example of Schrodinger's Asshole.


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Re: Trump suggests people should commit voter fraud [Re: Nonagon Infinity]
    #26938065 - 09/15/20 09:27 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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He was clearly joking.  Fake news.



That's kind of the magic of Donald Trump. Literally almost anything he says can be taken as "just a joke" or "just an exaggeration", which is a large part of what makes him so difficult to criticize in the face of a supporter.

However, that's besides the point. Even assuming that he was sincerely joking about this (and I contend that it wasn't a joke), don't you think there are certain things that the president shouldn't make jokes about? I would definitely classify voter fraud as something that a president probably ought not joke about, but that's just me.



Not at all, he was literally joking.  Sometimes he doesnt joke.  This was not one of those times.


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Re: Trump suggests people should commit voter fraud [Re: meltdowner]
    #26938068 - 09/15/20 09:29 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I don't believe that Donald Trump is capable of telling a joke. Or understanding the concept of a joke, either.


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Re: Trump suggests people should commit voter fraud [Re: Kryptos]
    #26938080 - 09/15/20 09:34 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Lucky for you, you grew up in the USA(created by white men, for white men) where freedom of belief is paramount.  Enjoy your beliefs!  Mine are WILD!  YOU WOULDNT BELIEVE!  <--- GET IT THATS A JOKE


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Re: Trump suggests people should commit voter fraud [Re: meltdowner] * 1
    #26938102 - 09/15/20 09:53 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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He was clearly joking.  Fake news.



That's kind of the magic of Donald Trump. Literally almost anything he says can be taken as "just a joke" or "just an exaggeration", which is a large part of what makes him so difficult to criticize in the face of a supporter.

However, that's besides the point. Even assuming that he was sincerely joking about this (and I contend that it wasn't a joke), don't you think there are certain things that the president shouldn't make jokes about? I would definitely classify voter fraud as something that a president probably ought not joke about, but that's just me.



Not at all, he was literally joking.  Sometimes he doesnt joke.  This was not one of those times.



You completely failed to provide a response for the point I made that there are certain things the president shouldn't make jokes about.

Whether he was joking or not isn't really the problem here. The problem is that he suggested voting twice, and there are a nonzero number of people who are going to take that seriously enough to actually do it, even if he intended for it to be a joke. At best, it was a reckless decision. At worst, he knew exactly what he was doing, and this is an attempt to cheat election results.


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Re: Trump suggests people should commit voter fraud [Re: Nonagon Infinity]
    #26938107 - 09/15/20 09:58 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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he was literally joking




lit•er•al•ly lĭt′ər-ə-lē►
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He was in a literal manner; word for word; presenting a participle of something said or done to provoke laughter




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He was with exact equivalence, with the meaning of each individual word given exactly, presenting a brief oral narrative with a climactic humorous twist




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He was, d: in a completely accurate way, doing B1 something, such as a funny story or trick, that is said or done in order to make people laugh:




noun
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a person or thing that is very bad or silly:

"He was literally joking." <----im still kinda hung up on this part in a literal sense or manner: such as a: in a way that uses the ordinary or primary meaning of a term or expression or b—used to emphasize the truth and accuracy of a statement or description; c: with exact equivalence : with the meaning of each individual word given exactly; d: in a completely accurate way

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Re: Trump suggests people should commit voter fraud [Re: Kryptos] * 1
    #26938109 - 09/15/20 10:00 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't believe that Donald Trump is capable of telling a joke. Or understanding the concept of a joke, either.



Oh, come on.  This was the first hit I got on Google, but there are LOTS more.  :lol:



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Re: Trump suggests people should commit voter fraud [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26938124 - 09/15/20 10:09 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

that's pretty funny. do you think he came up with that one all by himself?

when i watched that i immediately thought of the word "pedophiles" and "scumbags"


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Re: Trump suggests people should commit voter fraud [Re: MadMuncher]
    #26938134 - 09/15/20 10:19 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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that's pretty funny. do you think he came up with that one all by himself?



I doubt it.  How many jokes that people tell do they come up with all by themselves?


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Re: Trump suggests people should commit voter fraud [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26938151 - 09/15/20 10:35 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

idk i try to keep it original. that video reminds me of why i have never voted


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