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Re: Does Ego Death lead to the erasure of your consciousness? [Re: Forrester] * 2
    #26937341 - 09/15/20 03:16 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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I wish there was a harmless way to prevent blackouts during heavy mushroom trips.  I've lost what were going to be excellent trips that way.  Without memory though you're probably experiencing the trip you can't recall it later.  I recall coming back from those sorts of experiences going "holy shit that was weird" - I wonder if stuff getting too weird can literally prevent you from remembering?




I think it does.  I think it's a little part of yourself that "checks out" when things get too scary and don't want to be remembered.  Being a human is accepting a little veil over our heads as to the true nature of reality, so when we get where we may see a bit too much, I think we aren't really "allowed" (by ourselves) to remember.




No, not as to "scary" just as to too disjointed to feed into memory successfully. I've had the experience where I was following a chain of thought and it led to some conclusion that literally couldn't be thought - my brain just froze and had to restart.

So of course I became really interested in "thoughts that can't be thought" are and how they can perhaps be recalled. :thataintright:

"Reality" becomes seriously confusing when you get deep into so-called "true nature".  I've been working with this for many years and gradually getting better at it, IME it comes from doing specific experiments and paying attention to what happens. :awesomenod:


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Re: Does Ego Death lead to the erasure of your consciousness? [Re: openmind]
    #26937532 - 09/15/20 04:46 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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The ego does not equal consciousness.  Ie; without the framework of the ego, there is still very much consciousness (maybe even more, much more)




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I would argue though that true ego-death (literally no ego) can only really be attained by either unconsciousness or death, or maybe some degenerative brain disease, although I realize you are only really talking about the ego diminishing effects that can be attained through the use of the more classic psychedelics and all these definitions are very subjective and difficult to pin down.

As mentioned before though I believe Salvia can achieve a truer state of non-identity than the classic psychedelics, in which a person is not at all really conscious/aware of where, why, what, or when he actually is, and wherein he exists with no past, present, or future as only a thing or inanimate object, with the only clue he even does exist a kind of subliminal terror and itching to get back home again...

Not only would I argue that this is as close to ego death as we are likely to get short of death, but that it is also a state of greatly diminished consciousness or awareness (pretty much total) in which a person and hence his whole identity is almost literally gone, and what consciousness, if any, is left, is repressed.


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Re: Does Ego Death lead to the erasure of your consciousness? [Re: PrimalSoup] * 1
    #26937537 - 09/15/20 04:48 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Ego death is a spectacular phenomena.


Salvia makes it VERY easy. U take a powerful hit and everything disintegrates for a moment and you fly away / dissolve in love and become one with the universe, boundaries obliterated, illusion    of separation gone.

Shrooms and acid good for it too. One thing: u gotta have balls and brain and heart to experience true ego loss. You must learn to let go.


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Re: Does Ego Death lead to the erasure of your consciousness? [Re: Gypsy Boy]
    #26937543 - 09/15/20 04:51 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

The other thing, ego death is total spiritual healing.

I suggest everyone interested read Timothy Learys Psychedelic Experience book.

In it he describes that when u trip u come back one of 6 options, i dont remember all but lowest 6th is a very messed up state - u scarred yourself psychologically. Wheres 2 - is called Titan state - u come back much stronger spiritually . And 1 - u guessed it - u come back from real ego loss and you are g o d  l i k e


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Re: Does Ego Death lead to the erasure of your consciousness? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26937563 - 09/15/20 05:00 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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No one's had ego death from psychedelics even if they thought they did. Also no one's ever had that kind or level of ego death period not even some zen shit





I completely disagree.

Maybe I'm not using the right words...

I had suicidal tendencies since I was about 8 years old. Always a nagging thing in the the back of my mind that would come up...a thought...an idea.... Why not just kill yourself. It didn't matter if I was really sad about something like the death of a friend of loved one or if I was in a really good mood after acing a test or watching my favorite team win. It happened at completely random times.  Kill yourself. Do it. End it.

It was like that for 40 years or so. In some ways, those years for me were like "occasional torture". Sometimes I wanted to die for 2 or 3 days straight. I just couldn't get it out of my head. I called a suicide hotline once. The guy on the other end started asking questions about why I felt that way...why do you want to die? FUCK MAN, I don't know! I just do. Do I need a reason?

Then I got into mushrooms. Lower doses at first. Then I tripped (somewhat on accident) really hard. At one point, I could see myself lying on the floor. I was standing over myself and looking up at myself at the same time. The "me" on the floor was crying, sobbing, as usual - wanting to die. The me standing up looking down said stuck out my middle finger and said, "Fuck you. I'm so fucking tired of you."

And I died.....

A day later, I couldn't stop thinking about that.  Six months later, it dawned on me that I had not thought of suicide once. When I thought about it, I giggled like it was the dumbest thing anyone could ever think of. How could anyone do something so dumb. It's just dumb....

Here I am 4 years later. I think about suicide every now and then and it's like a joke. There's no way I would ever do that - it's fucking stupid....

Maybe "ego death" is not the correct label. Whatever. I can tell you quite clearly and accurately, that I died that day.

The day I died, was literally, the best day of my life.


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Re: Does Ego Death lead to the erasure of your consciousness? [Re: Bernard]
    #26937604 - 09/15/20 05:17 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Does Ego Death lead to the erasure of your consciousness? [Re: wolf8312] * 1
    #26937605 - 09/15/20 05:17 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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...I've described my experience as, "being reduced to nothing but a point of awareness within a void of caressing vibrations" . No body, no identity, no memory, no nothing but pure awareness. It was a blank void of nothing but awareness and intense vibrations that I could feel through out my "being", and my "being" was basically the entire universe/existence itself. It was also one of those experiences of "oneness", merging with the cosmos.


"I", my point of awareness, no longer had an identity/name. "I" no longer remembered anything from my life, I had forgotten everything entirely about ever being a human or living before, basically everything about my identity/self was completely wiped away to a clean slate of awareness .

There was no "I" while it was happening, but there was absolutely still "awareness" , mere awareness had become my existence.





^^^ This is it.  Right here.  Great description.  That's what the ego is. 

A course in miracles describes it as "the you that you made" vs. "the you that God made".  Ie; Your concept of your self.  Who you've made yourself to be throughout your life.  Who others have told you you are, and you believed.  All your experiences and how they've affected you.

This is the part that is temporarily forgotten (what we call death and I agree is a misnomer), while still leaving consciousness of the true self alive and aware.

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I would argue though that true ego-death (literally no ego) can only really be attained by either unconsciousness or death




Totally disagree, see above.  Maybe you just haven't experienced it yet?


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Re: Does Ego Death lead to the erasure of your consciousness? [Re: Forrester]
    #26937726 - 09/15/20 06:10 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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...I've described my experience as, "being reduced to nothing but a point of awareness within a void of caressing vibrations" . No body, no identity, no memory, no nothing but pure awareness. It was a blank void of nothing but awareness and intense vibrations that I could feel through out my "being", and my "being" was basically the entire universe/existence itself. It was also one of those experiences of "oneness", merging with the cosmos.


"I", my point of awareness, no longer had an identity/name. "I" no longer remembered anything from my life, I had forgotten everything entirely about ever being a human or living before, basically everything about my identity/self was completely wiped away to a clean slate of awareness .

There was no "I" while it was happening, but there was absolutely still "awareness" , mere awareness had become my existence.





^^^ This is it.  Right here.  Great description.  That's what the ego is. 

A course in miracles describes it as "the you that you made" vs. "the you that God made".  Ie; Your concept of your self.  Who you've made yourself to be throughout your life.  Who others have told you you are, and you believed.  All your experiences and how they've affected you.

This is the part that is temporarily forgotten (what we call death and I agree is a misnomer), while still leaving consciousness of the true self alive and aware.

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I would argue though that true ego-death (literally no ego) can only really be attained by either unconsciousness or death




Totally disagree, see above.  Maybe you just haven't experienced it yet?




This is where we now shall compete to decide which of us has experienced more ego death than the other hehe!

The point I was trying to make is that ego death literally means the loss of all identity. Only, in terms of the classic psychedelics, this isn’t really what ego death means. As I pointed out already I am well aware that there is an important semantical distinction to be made between the ego death one experiences with the classic psychedelics and something like salvia, the latter being almost literally the loss of all identity, while the former is something of a misnomer (though no less profound) which is surely why you yourself claimed ego death has nothing whatsoever to do with any lack of awareness or consciousness which is when one thinks about it, a contradiction of terms.

My intention was only really an attempt at more clearly defining our terms, while both agreeing and disagreeing with what you were saying for semantical reasons. I myself never really touched upon ego-death (which is rather ineffable anyway) as users of the classic psychedelics commonly understand it, or how I myself personally conceptualize it except to give a basic outline in my OP.


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Re: Does Ego Death lead to the erasure of your consciousness? [Re: wolf8312]
    #26938323 - 09/16/20 02:15 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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This is where we now shall compete to decide which of us has experienced more ego death than the other hehe!





Haha, no I certainly didn't intend to do that.  I would agree that there are varying experiences which might fall under this title and all any of us are really doing here is arguing semantics of what the term means :smile:

There's all kinds of experiences we can have and it's absolutely not a linear scale that ends in the infamous "ego death" :lol:


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Re: Does Ego Death lead to the erasure of your consciousness? [Re: Gypsy Boy]
    #26938470 - 09/16/20 06:28 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I was avoiding this thread, but glad I read it.

so many of the contributors in this thread have an excellent grasp on the difference of blackout from too high a dose, and trips when you find yourself being just an observer in a magical universe without any defensive responses (AKA ego death. (detachment of ego))

Each using their own words here to describe the common experience factors is so good to see; and I have to say I am surprised and I am happy with what is being said here in natural language.

just one example, chosen only because it seems too simple but it contains everything as well.

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Ego death is a spectacular phenomena.


Salvia makes it VERY easy. U take a powerful hit and everything disintegrates for a moment and you fly away / dissolve in love and become one with the universe, boundaries obliterated, illusion    of separation gone.

Shrooms and acid good for it too. One thing: u gotta have balls and brain and heart to experience true ego loss. You must learn to let go.




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Re: Does Ego Death lead to the erasure of your consciousness? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26938541 - 09/16/20 08:04 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

The surrendering and letting go of the sense of self (I), followed by the pure awareness (non-dual), seems like a special experience, certainly extra ordinary. I've come to realise the experience was just that, nothing special. As the Zen buddhists would say 'enlightenment is nothing special', dont attach significance to that past experience just be in the now.

Wondered if the blacking out is a way for the body/mind to cope with being shown too much too soon. Like there is a sense that its not ready, certainly seems like there was a higher intelligence at work, perhaps the body/mind knows how to heal itself if you get out of its way.

Or was it just too high a dose and the body shut down...

It sure feels extra ordinary though waking up and not knowing your name, day/year/century your living in. I suppose the sense of self will shift, it is always in a state of flux.


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Re: Does Ego Death lead to the erasure of your consciousness? [Re: MetalSlug]
    #26938566 - 09/16/20 08:25 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

blacking out: it just too high a dose and the associative process fails.
you could say that awareness shuts down, but the body continues (you could sleep walk - cerebellum still works nerves and muscles still work), associative effort continues but fails through the interference of too much drug induced electrical field resonance in the cerebral cortex (synaptic retriggering).

it could be related to anesthetic effects but under anesthetic you do not move around, so I think it is just the overload of the associative process by retriggering - basically jamming the feed with itself.


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Re: Does Ego Death lead to the erasure of your consciousness? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26938575 - 09/16/20 08:32 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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blacking out: it just too high a dose and the associative process fails.
you could say that awareness shuts down, but the body continues (you could sleep walk - cerebellum still works nerves and muscles still work), associative effort continues but fails through the interference of too much drug induced electrical field resonance in the cerebral cortex (synaptic retriggering).

it could be related to anesthetic effects but under anesthetic you do not move around, so I think it is just the overload of the associative process by retriggering - basically jamming the feed with itself.






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Re: Does Ego Death lead to the erasure of your consciousness? [Re: Gypsy Boy] * 1
    #26939121 - 09/16/20 01:57 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Huxley writes about coming face to face with some manifestation of the 'Mysterium tremendum':

"This, I suddenly felt, was going too far. Too far, even though the going was into intenser beauty, deeper significance. The fear, as I analyze it in retrospect was of being overwhelmed, of disintegrating under a pressure of reality greater than a mind, accustomed to living most of the time in a cosy world of symbols, could possibly bear. The literature of religious experience abounds in references to the pains and terrors overwhelming those who have come, too suddenly, face to face with some manifestation of the 'Mysterium tremendum.' In theological language, this fear is due to the incompatibility between man's egotism and the divine purity, between man's self-aggravated separateness and the infinity of God. Following Boehme and William Law, we may say that, by unregenerate souls, the divine Light at its full blaze can be apprehended only as a burning purgatorial fire. An almost identical doctrine is to be found in The Tibetan Book of the Dead, where the departed soul is described as shrinking in agony from the Pure Light of the Void, and even from the lesser tempered Lights, in order to rush headlong into the comforting darkness of selfhood as a reborn human being, or even as a beast, an unhappy ghost, a denizen of hell. Anything rather than the burning brightness of unmitigated Reality." -
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Re: Does Ego Death lead to the erasure of your consciousness? [Re: Archy of Aedon]
    #26939992 - 09/17/20 01:11 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

No.


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Re: Does Ego Death lead to the erasure of your consciousness? [Re: Loaded Shaman]
    #26954889 - 09/25/20 06:17 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I just recently experienced the "ego death" for the first time. I had no idea what was happening and it terrified me. The trip started like normal but after some time I could tell that this was going to be a very intense experience. I started to fight the trip when it was going past a point that I was comfortable with. I slowly started to lose touch with reality. I began to forget who my loved ones were, who I was, where I was; as I began losing my senses. I lost feeling in my whole body and face. All I could feel was the back of my head. I could not hear and all I could see was a single color that randomly changed. The part of me that could still feel was petrified. Words can not give justice to the feeling of being in this state.  The first noise I hear is what can only be described as the droning buzzing of a flat-lining EKG machine. A dogs bark snaps me out of this state but I helplessly fall back into it. I fall in and out reality a few times before I call for help from a friend.


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Re: Does Ego Death lead to the erasure of your consciousness? [Re: handsomedead]
    #26955393 - 09/26/20 01:21 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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I just recently experienced the "ego death" for the first time. I had no idea what was happening and it terrified me. The trip started like normal but after some time I could tell that this was going to be a very intense experience. I started to fight the trip when it was going past a point that I was comfortable with. I slowly started to lose touch with reality. I began to forget who my loved ones were, who I was, where I was; as I began losing my senses. I lost feeling in my whole body and face. All I could feel was the back of my head. I could not hear and all I could see was a single color that randomly changed. The part of me that could still feel was petrified. Words can not give justice to the feeling of being in this state.  The first noise I hear is what can only be described as the droning buzzing of a flat-lining EKG machine. A dogs bark snaps me out of this state but I helplessly fall back into it. I fall in and out reality a few times before I call for help from a friend.




Right! I've experienced something similar!

Did you actually lose your sense of "I", or were you aware on some level that you were tripping?

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Re: Does Ego Death lead to the erasure of your consciousness? [Re: Loaded Shaman] * 1
    #26955651 - 09/26/20 06:56 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I would not call that ego death, just psychedelic overdosing.


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Re: Does Ego Death lead to the erasure of your consciousness? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26955685 - 09/26/20 07:37 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Ego death is like forgetting someone's name for a day and calling it getting alzheimer's


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Re: Does Ego Death lead to the erasure of your consciousness? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26955725 - 09/26/20 08:19 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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I would not call that ego death, just psychedelic overdosing.




Ditto


There was a really good post by someone something like 20 years ago about true ego death, the description is awesome, I'll see if I can find it


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