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I've got everything. Now what?
    #26935220 - 09/14/20 03:27 PM (4 days, 10 hours ago)

Hello fellow mycologists,

I'll try to be as short as possible and less boring. This will be my 1st grow and I really don't want to mess up. I have no experience but an iron will to do it and do it right. It's crazy the amount of information about the right way so for me it was very easy to get confused and this is why I am here, to seek the right guidance. I've attached a picture with what I managed to collect to this moment but for some reason still feel insecure on what to do next. For this project I choose LC syringe spores from Golden Teacher. Here's the list of my customised starter lab kit:



1 Heat pad
2 SAB + 2 dif size boxes
3 BRF
4 Coco bricks
5 Rye
6 Gypsum
7 Two liter of mushroom casing pasteurised
8 Perlite
9 Permatex
10 Microfilter bag with injection port
11 Parafilm
12 Petri dishes 60 x 15 mm
13 Septa grey Butyl 20 mm
14 Agar Agar normal and colourful
15 Pressure cooker Tefal secure 5 neo  6 L
16 Different type of jars since we don't find easy mason jars in EU
17 Microfilter box 2 litre + few small boxes.
18 Erlenmeyer 250 ml
19 Hook for handling hot jars
20 Lighter

+ Alcohol 70%, gloves, mask, sterile scalpel, hygro-thermo meter.


P.S: I don't want my first grow to be brf cakes. I bought brf to test in the near future.

P.S 1: I am not sure how to use items 7, 10 and 17.

I am very aware of the cautions I'll have to take for a sterile environment but I lack of knowledge on which path to go from this moment. TIA


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Re: I've got everything. Now what? [Re: cris714n]
    #26935226 - 09/14/20 03:30 PM (4 days, 9 hours ago)

YAS i am newbie too. let's support each other lol. i wanna make my pic like you did....


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Re: I've got everything. Now what? [Re: cris714n]
    #26935247 - 09/14/20 03:46 PM (4 days, 9 hours ago)

Hey fellow Dutchman here,

Het is een behoorlijk werkje als je alles zelf moet uitzoeken (ik kan t weten). Als je praktische hulp of tips wil kan ik je helpen. Ga je een bulk grow doen of cakes?


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Re: I've got everything. Now what? [Re: Tweeq]
    #26935277 - 09/14/20 04:06 PM (4 days, 9 hours ago)

Are you sure that the jars/erlenmeyer flask can fit in the PC without being partially under water? If they are under water two things can happen:
1. They can shatter because of the difference in temperature.
2. The bottom part which is under water will only go as high as 100 C and will not sterilize properly leading to contams.


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Re: I've got everything. Now what? [Re: Jatzan]
    #26935385 - 09/14/20 05:16 PM (4 days, 8 hours ago)

Good eye sir,
The Erlenmeyer does not fit so probably i'll have to figure it out what else to use and with the jars, I have different ones. Probably the little ones will fit since they are only 12 cm (4.7') long. How much water should I put in the pc if I have to sterilize for 90 min?  For an idea, the tray that fits at the bottom of the pc has only 2-3 mm space from the bottom ( I marked them in the pic). Ofc there is an option to flip the tray and pray otherwise I'm sure I can find another "fittable" tray. I know I don't have the perfect PC but this was the best I could find on the market under 100 euros.



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Re: I've got everything. Now what? [Re: Tweeq]
    #26935393 - 09/14/20 05:21 PM (4 days, 8 hours ago)

Zeker Dutchie. I don't even know what to ask since I still discover on what to do next. I have mixed feelings and a bucket full of information.


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Re: I've got everything. Now what? [Re: cris714n]
    #26935411 - 09/14/20 05:30 PM (4 days, 7 hours ago)

The heat pad is unneccesary.
You are definately going to want a bigger pc.

The perlite is also unneccesary.

What material is 17 made of?

Start Here
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The darker links pictured here are the ones i use most.


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Re: I've got everything. Now what? [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #26935429 - 09/14/20 05:37 PM (4 days, 7 hours ago)

I haven’t had a problem sterilizing jars where the bottom 1-2 inches was submerged.


Check out one of the shoebox teks, imo they’re by far the best place to start. As long as you follow directions they’re very hard to screw up and yield a lot.

Do you have an lc syringe or a spore syringe?? Lc is liquid culture which is living mycelium and will look like a white blob. Spore syringes are way more common.


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Re: I've got everything. Now what? [Re: A.k.a]
    #26935521 - 09/14/20 06:22 PM (4 days, 7 hours ago)

I'll do my homework and have a look on shoebox tek. I only know that I don't want brf cakes for now and my bad, I got confused. I have the common spore syringe.


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Re: I've got everything. Now what? [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #26935525 - 09/14/20 06:25 PM (4 days, 7 hours ago)

17. are a few plastic boxes just like grow kit ones. Definitely I need a better PC in the near future.


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Re: I've got everything. Now what? [Re: cris714n]
    #26935616 - 09/14/20 07:20 PM (4 days, 6 hours ago)

I just want to know if they are pc stable


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Re: I've got everything. Now what? [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #26935690 - 09/14/20 08:07 PM (4 days, 5 hours ago)

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Good eye sir,
The Erlenmeyer does not fit so probably i'll have to figure it out what else to use and with the jars, I have different ones. Probably the little ones will fit since they are only 12 cm (4.7') long. How much water should I put in the pc if I have to sterilize for 90 min?  For an idea, the tray that fits at the bottom of the pc has only 2-3 mm space from the bottom ( I marked them in the pic). Ofc there is an option to flip the tray and pray otherwise I'm sure I can find another "fittable" tray. I know I don't have the perfect PC but this was the best I could find on the market under 100 euros.






I have the same pains with my small PC thats why i created this poll and made some calculations in this thread so that I understand the underlying physics completely.
Basically you need atleast 1-1.5 litres of water if you manage to set the rocker barely jumping. The greatest danger for a PC is if it runs dry, the bottom will overheat damaging both your PC (bulging) and your stovetop (cracking if it is glass).


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The heat pad is unneccesary.
You are definately going to want a bigger pc.




If the heat pad is for cooking, it is required to keep the glass-ceramic from staining. I use something like a "heat diffuser plate". If the heat pad is to keep agar hot, meh you can achieve the same i with a bath, but there is no need for that.
The size of the PC is small, but dont worry you can manage! Use 360ml or 370ml jars, they are upto 12cm tall and you can fit 7 of them!


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Re: I've got everything. Now what? [Re: Jatzan]
    #26935703 - 09/14/20 08:11 PM (4 days, 5 hours ago)

at least you are getting a lot of equipment, a lot of people will respect that


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Re: I've got everything. Now what? [Re: A.k.a]
    #26935714 - 09/14/20 08:21 PM (4 days, 5 hours ago)

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I haven’t had a problem sterilizing jars where the bottom 1-2 inches was submerged.





Your jars were not fully sterilized. To sterilize you need to achieve a temperature of about 121C and the bottom 1-2 inches of your jars never reached a temperature above 100C. They were basically boiled. Luckily you didn't have contams that can survive the boil.
Keeping the bottom of the jars submerged is the leading cause of contams in improperly sterilized grain IMHO. It defeats the purpose of PC-ing them.


What AKA said is valid, my info is BS, sorry.


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Re: I've got everything. Now what? [Re: Jatzan]
    #26935743 - 09/14/20 08:43 PM (4 days, 4 hours ago)

Just to add about running the PC dry, some examples of bulging: here and here and here.

With small PCs we dont have the luxury of adding too much water so please test it out before setting it on a long 90 min cycle.


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Re: I've got everything. Now what? [Re: Jatzan]
    #26935774 - 09/14/20 09:04 PM (4 days, 4 hours ago)

About the SAB. I just noticed that your cover is black and the sides are with matte finish. You may need to get a more transparent box or create a "window" with plexiglass(or just clear plastic) so you can see through.


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Re: I've got everything. Now what? [Re: Jatzan]
    #26935781 - 09/14/20 09:10 PM (4 days, 4 hours ago)

As long as more than half the grain is in steam then they are steam sterilized.

A heat mat doesnt get hot enough to cook anything... I'm confused as to what purpose it truly has


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Re: I've got everything. Now what? [Re: Jatzan]
    #26935850 - 09/14/20 10:06 PM (4 days, 3 hours ago)

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Quote:

A.k.a said:
I haven’t had a problem sterilizing jars where the bottom 1-2 inches was submerged.





Your jars were not fully sterilized. To sterilize you need to achieve a temperature of about 121C and the bottom 1-2 inches of your jars never reached a temperature above 100C. They were basically boiled. Luckily you didn't have contams that can survive the boil.
Keeping the bottom of the jars submerged is the leading cause of contams in improperly sterilized grain IMHO. It defeats the purpose of PC-ing them.




I'm confused,

I am certain that a higher pressure increases the boiling point. At 15psi for example, the boiling point of water is ~257°F rather than 212. I thought this is the whole purpose of using a pressure cooker. Am I missing something? You just seem so sure in your answer that its making me question myself.


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Re: I've got everything. Now what? [Re: One of Us]
    #26935882 - 09/14/20 10:35 PM (4 days, 2 hours ago)

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I am certain that a higher pressure increases the boiling point. At 15psi for example, the boiling point of water is ~257°F rather than 212. I thought this is the whole purpose of using a pressure cooker. Am I missing something? You just seem so sure in your answer that its making me question myself.




You are absolutely right! It does raise the boiling temperature I just looked at the phase diagram of water and you are right. Somehow I got the idea that the diagram looks a bit different and that the temperature of liquid water stays more or leas the same with the slightly increased pressure. Thanks for correcting this misinformation! :thumbup:

Will strikeout my BS information on previous post.

Wow this opens a whole new realm for mini PCs, this means I can put a lot more water in my PC! Is there an upper limit how much water can be placed? Could it be like 50% of PC height?


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Re: I've got everything. Now what? [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #26935936 - 09/14/20 11:13 PM (4 days, 2 hours ago)

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Quote:

One of Us said:
I am certain that a higher pressure increases the boiling point. At 15psi for example, the boiling point of water is ~257°F rather than 212. I thought this is the whole purpose of using a pressure cooker. Am I missing something? You just seem so sure in your answer that its making me question myself.




You are absolutely right! It does raise the boiling temperature I just looked at the phase diagram of water and you are right. Somehow I got the idea that the diagram looks a bit different and that the temperature of liquid water stays more or leas the same with the slightly increased pressure. Thanks for correcting this misinformation! :thumbup:

Will strikeout my BS information on previous post.

Wow this opens a whole new realm for mini PCs, this means I can put a lot more water in my PC! Is there an upper limit how much water can be placed? Could it be like 50% of PC height?



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As long as more than half the grain is in steam then they are steam sterilized.

A heat mat doesnt get hot enough to cook anything... I'm confused as to what purpose it truly has




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Re: I've got everything. Now what? [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #26936032 - 09/15/20 12:06 AM (4 days, 1 hour ago)

Yeah I think the jars only need to be exposed if you’re steaming in a normal pot without pressure.

I was always told it can be as high as you want as long as it won’t bubble up high enough to flood the jars.


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Re: I've got everything. Now what? [Re: A.k.a]
    #26936083 - 09/15/20 12:41 AM (4 days, 47 minutes ago)

I think you'll find if you follow anything by BOD and Mushboy's techs, you'll be fine.

Yeah, you don't need the perlite, technically not even the Brown Rice Flour unless you're doing PF tek.  Coir, Gypsum Shoeboxes are best IMHO.

Always use your flow hood, glove box, or SAB, whichever you have whenever doing any transfers between the stages, except for birthing the rye jars to your coir, that you don't need much sterilization for as long as you pasteurized your coir).

Look up the simple tiger drop with agar.  Not as fast as LC, but less likely to contam IMHO.

Maybe you need a bigger PC?

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Re: I've got everything. Now what? [Re: Jatzan]
    #26936330 - 09/15/20 05:50 AM (3 days, 19 hours ago)

This is crazy. I've spent all my morning, ab 4h to read about PC's including the instruction manual of my PC. My conclusion is that in EU is very hard to buy a good PC under 100 euros and the one that in US cost 70$, in EU is 270$, so I bought mine according to Alice recs on PC's for  mushrooms . Mine is a tefal secure 5 neo. Ofc Alice is a cunt influencer  and knows shit about PC's good for mushies because
1. 100% I cannot stack 8.5 x 12 cm (4.7') jars
2. The manual says max 12 psi but from my little knowledge I know I need 15psi

About the water volume I've read your calculations and they are close to those in my manual except that they say that it depends on what kind of liquid is being used. Tefal haven't thought for a second about the mycologists when they build their PC. So the manual specs regarding this are going bananas depending on is getting cooked. For example:

A. The min quantity for normal cooking is 250ml for the first 15 min. For each extra 15 min add 150ml. For example 45 min cooking requires 600ml

B.When steaming foods in the basket use min 750ml (it does not spec the time or extra water)

C. For steamed suet puddings 900ml/ 60 min + 150ml for every extra 15 min

Again, this are just generalities. Reality could differ more or less. I wished they had a spec for mycologie.

Important note. On the lid are these specs:
PF = 80 kpa=0.8bar
PS = 170kpa=1.7bar

First is probably max use (12psi) and second probably the max safe it can be use. I'm already having a headache from reading about PC's

SAB ( the box at the bottom) is not ready yet but it is visible enough to see thru and there is this guy on the forum Bodhi..something, where he explain how to make a good one.

I am lucky if I can fit 3 jars inside. They recommend to put the tray on top of a trivet



I can replace the tray with the grill after I cut the corners so this way I can fit 4 little jars 8.5x12cm


Final conclusion. I don't recommend this PC but I will have to struggle and manage with it since is my only one at this moment.Amen


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Re: I've got everything. Now what? [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #26936331 - 09/15/20 05:55 AM (3 days, 19 hours ago)

It does not mention anywhere but I tend believe not otherwise I could just experiment.
In the picture at number 10, there are some micro filter bag with injection port. How do I use those or better said when?


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Re: I've got everything. Now what? [Re: One of Us]
    #26936337 - 09/15/20 06:00 AM (3 days, 19 hours ago)

the heat mat is for keeping it under the box to create warm/moist environment. It is not getting hot but just a little bit warm. It has a controller for how warm from 1 to 7. Probably I won't need it but I already had it.


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Re: I've got everything. Now what? [Re: cris714n]
    #26936428 - 09/15/20 08:11 AM (3 days, 17 hours ago)

Like I said, I think you can probably fit 7x370ml jars. This is best I can do.



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Re: I've got everything. Now what? [Re: cris714n]
    #26936663 - 09/15/20 11:28 AM (3 days, 14 hours ago)

Quote:

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This is crazy. I've spent all my morning, ab 4h to read about PC's including the instruction manual of my PC. My conclusion is that in EU is very hard to buy a good PC under 100 euros and the one that in US cost 70$, in EU is 270$, so I bought mine according to Alice recs on PC's for  mushrooms . Mine is a tefal secure 5 neo. Ofc Alice is a cunt influencer  and knows shit about PC's good for mushies because
1. 100% I cannot stack 8.5 x 12 cm (4.7') jars
2. The manual says max 12 psi but from my little knowledge I know I need 15psi

About the water volume I've read your calculations and they are close to those in my manual except that they say that it depends on what kind of liquid is being used. Tefal haven't thought for a second about the mycologists when they build their PC. So the manual specs regarding this are going bananas depending on is getting cooked. For example:

A. The min quantity for normal cooking is 250ml for the first 15 min. For each extra 15 min add 150ml. For example 45 min cooking requires 600ml

B.When steaming foods in the basket use min 750ml (it does not spec the time or extra water)

C. For steamed suet puddings 900ml/ 60 min + 150ml for every extra 15 min

Again, this are just generalities. Reality could differ more or less. I wished they had a spec for mycologie.

Important note. On the lid are these specs:
PF = 80 kpa=0.8bar
PS = 170kpa=1.7bar

First is probably max use (12psi) and second probably the max safe it can be use. I'm already having a headache from reading about PC's

SAB ( the box at the bottom) is not ready yet but it is visible enough to see thru and there is this guy on the forum Bodhi..something, where he explain how to make a good one.

I am lucky if I can fit 3 jars inside. They recommend to put the tray on top of a trivet



I can replace the tray with the grill after I cut the corners so this way I can fit 4 little jars 8.5x12cm


Final conclusion. I don't recommend this PC but I will have to struggle and manage with it since is my only one at this moment.Amen




In Europe, you could easily spend several hundred euros on a presure cooker over 7 liter

huge difference in price from types, stainless steel and size too

A tip: Denmark sells pretty affordable PCs in scandinavia.

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Re: I've got everything. Now what? [Re: cris714n]
    #26937056 - 09/15/20 03:21 PM (3 days, 10 hours ago)

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the heat mat is for keeping it under the box to create warm/moist environment. It is not getting hot but just a little bit warm. It has a controller for how warm from 1 to 7. Probably I won't need it but I already had it.


dont use it. Its an invitation for contams. If it gets too cold heat the room.

The bag is for spawn, but i dont see that thing fitting in your pc while full


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Re: I've got everything. Now what? [Re: cris714n]
    #26937326 - 09/15/20 05:10 PM (3 days, 8 hours ago)

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This is crazy. I've spent all my morning, ab 4h to read about PC's including the instruction manual of my PC. My conclusion is that in EU is very hard to buy a good PC under 100 euros and the one that in US cost 70$, in EU is 270$, so I bought mine according to Alice recs on PC's for  mushrooms . Mine is a tefal secure 5 neo. Ofc Alice is a cunt influencer  and knows shit about PC's good for mushies because
1. 100% I cannot stack 8.5 x 12 cm (4.7') jars
2. The manual says max 12 psi but from my little knowledge I know I need 15psi




I was in the same position as you, it is just impossible to get a proper, reasonably priced PC in Europe. It's no use wasting time agonizing over it, just buy a Presto from amazon.com and be happy for life. You will not regret spending the money on shipping once you have it.


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    #26937368 - 09/15/20 05:26 PM (3 days, 8 hours ago)

It seems crazy to me that home canning isn't much of a thing in Europe. The biggest complaint I see around here islack of access to reasonably priced large pressure cookers for euro based members.

As for your PC reaching 12psi
That's fine. Just increase the cooking time accordingly.


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    #26937458 - 09/15/20 06:12 PM (3 days, 7 hours ago)

It really seems like it shouldn’t be too hard to make a pc if you could get strong enough pots.

Or like what about crock pots do you have those in Europe?

It’s super weird that they seem to be impossible to get over there especially with so many huge global companies these days.


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    #26937603 - 09/15/20 07:17 PM (3 days, 6 hours ago)

he's exaggerating you can get 7 liter below 100 euros, but its generally expensive.. and we dont have a jesus saviour version like your american presto.. crock pots and slow food stuff we got plenty off.

what countries are you checking out,check out danish prices like coolprices.dk


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    #26937777 - 09/15/20 08:29 PM (3 days, 4 hours ago)

You can grow shrooms with the stuff you have, you will need all of it.

I would first start with a test run of the pressure cooker. Read the manual, put in 4cm of preferably distilled water - normal water works as well, but will chalk up your cooker over time (but that can be cleaned). Especially if you have an electric stove it can be a little tricky to regulate it to an even temperature. With a gas stove it is easier. Just to get a feeling for the thing.

Build you still air box etc.

After that the first thing is to do agar for some time to figure out sterile technique and get a clean culture.

As an agar bottle you can use pretty much every bottle that fits, doesn't need to be an Erlenmeyer.

If you have a couple bucks left then in your cooker you could use a lab-bottle 250ml like this:

https://www.duran-group.com/en/products-solutions/laboratory-glassware/products/laboratory-glass-bottles/gl-45-laboratory-bottle.html

The 250ml one has a height of 143mm with cap and a diameter of 70mm ... you should be able to get 3 or maybe even 4 of them in your cooker.

Here is one: https://www.amazon.nl/borosilicaatglas-labor-reagefles-simax-EQUIVALENT/dp/B00BMUTEB8/ref=sr_1_2?__mk_nl_NL=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&dchild=1&keywords=duran+250ml&qid=1600215643&sr=8-2

But if you're on a tight budget just use what you find. I have used water bottles and beer bottles.

You might wand to get an oven glove like this:
https://www.amazon.nl/barbecue-Resistant-Silicone-Silicon-Kitchen/dp/B08FXZGV8F/ref=sr_1_7?__mk_nl_NL=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&dchild=1&keywords=silicon+glove&qid=1600215792&sr=8-7

That metal thing you have there might work but personally I would find it too finicky.

I would not use the bags and filter boxes for now and the casing soil also not yet. Assuming you want to grow cubes. Stick to the jars and coco coir in a shoe box type tub. That alone should give you more shrooms than you can eat if you carefully progress.

More experienced users will have more to say, so you should rater what they reply higher than what I say.


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Re: I've got everything. Now what? [Re: xspak]
    #26938223 - 09/16/20 01:44 AM (2 days, 23 hours ago)

I sent op a pm in Dutch offering my help as I have already been through the pc hunt and all the other EU growers' challenges.. but no response so far.


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    #26938272 - 09/16/20 03:05 AM (2 days, 22 hours ago)

Yeah, it might seem a bit exaggerated, but come on, being able to PC
10 1qt jars at the same time at 15psi in a Presto is so much better and saves a lot of time
compared to fiddling with the small ones at <12psi that you have in Europe:awesomenod:
I don't regret a single euro spent on it:super:


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Re: I've got everything. Now what? [Re: sporecap]
    #26938276 - 09/16/20 03:16 AM (2 days, 22 hours ago)

Quote:

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Yeah, it might seem a bit exaggerated, but come on, being able to PC
10 1qt jars at the same time at 15psi in a Presto is so much better and saves a lot of time
compared to fiddling with the small ones at <12psi that you have in Europe:awesomenod:
I don't regret a single euro spent on it:super:




Agreed. Ours set us back 400 euros but it's made our life soo much easier. It fits 9 jars of 1072ml. 7 on the bottom and two sideways on top.

If you have a regular EU pc just take some more time to sterilize. We used to do 2hrs and 15mins with our old BK pc. With the presto 23qt only 100 minutes and 9 instead of three jars.


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Re: I've got everything. Now what? [Re: Tweeq]
    #26938293 - 09/16/20 03:45 AM (2 days, 21 hours ago)

Do you guys have instant pots??

I’ve been having trouble with my burner for the pc so lately I’ve been back to one quart at a time in the instant pot.

They’re so good for agar and lc. No waiting to boil and vent just throw it in and go.


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    #26938320 - 09/16/20 04:10 AM (2 days, 21 hours ago)

Quote:

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Do you guys have instant pots??

I’ve been having trouble with my burner for the pc so lately I’ve been back to one quart at a time in the instant pot.

They’re so good for agar and lc. No waiting to boil and vent just throw it in and go.




I'll check them out. We have one 9liter pc and a presto 23qt atm


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    #26938346 - 09/16/20 05:18 AM (2 days, 20 hours ago)

Quote:

Tweeq said:
I sent op a pm in Dutch offering my help as I have already been through the pc hunt and all the other EU growers' challenges.. but no response so far.




Pm'd back. Still getting used with this forum :wink:


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Re: I've got everything. Now what? [Re: xspak]
    #26938351 - 09/16/20 05:32 AM (2 days, 19 hours ago)

Ty for the good tips. I see more and more tips on shoebox tek. I'm looking into and probably that will be the choice after I figure it out. Those little bottles look pretty good but atm probably i'll stick with what I'll find around since i am tired to keep ordering items one by one and wait a lot. I already have a good silicone glove if that jar grabber won't help much.

I read that if I put a spoon of vinegar in the water, then the pan should be fine regarding the calc or other spots. I will run it on gas stove and will have to deal with this PC atm.

Can I inoculate my spore syringe straight into the jars?


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    #26938353 - 09/16/20 05:37 AM (2 days, 19 hours ago)

I am thinking on getting for Christmas presto-23-quar from the US. At this moment the stock is out and they might start manufacturing again in November. But if the price triple from US to EU, I'll probably have to find an American friend to send it to me after I buy it. I am not letting myself ripped off no matter.


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    #26938355 - 09/16/20 05:46 AM (2 days, 19 hours ago)

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he's exaggerating you can get 7 liter below 100 euros, but its generally expensive.. and we dont have a jesus saviour version like your american presto.. crock pots and slow food stuff we got plenty off.

what countries are you checking out,check out danish prices like coolprices.dk





Maybe I'm exaggerating but the best place for me to look is Amazon Nederland and most of the PC's under 100 euro are very bad rated and they look bad. Buying it from another country would add the shipment and would of gone over my price. The model I have has few hundreds of reviews, mostly good ones. Unfortunately I let my self tricked by expert influencers in mushrooms but still think is the best PC price - quality. Obviously I'll probably struggle until I'll get a new one but life without struggles is boring :smile:


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Re: I've got everything. Now what? [Re: cris714n]
    #26938410 - 09/16/20 07:26 AM (2 days, 18 hours ago)

You can use the syringe right into the grains but you’ll prob get at least some level of contamination. Seems like only a few places sell consistently clean syringes. That’s not to say it won’t work, I’ve fruited plenty of bacterial jars. But if mold shows up it’s done.


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    #26938805 - 09/16/20 12:51 PM (2 days, 12 hours ago)

You already have agar. Its best to start there


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    #26939597 - 09/16/20 08:13 PM (2 days, 5 hours ago)

I just snagged a 21 liter Presto pressure cooker. I have been searching for months and everyplace seemed to be sold out. This covid pandemic has created a shortage. All these Americans stuck at home tending their little gardens, want to can and pickle their bounty... thus a run on pressure canners/cookers. I found one on Amazon, which was "used" with blemishes on the exterior for $65... but it came in perfect condition. Keep trying on Amazon, and something eventually shows up.... or try Ebay, used ones at inflated prices also show up regularly. Make sure you check the "rating" for pressure, seems to be a lower pressure standard for European markets.
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Re: I've got everything. Now what? [Re: Shroom La Zoom]
    #26939617 - 09/16/20 08:23 PM (2 days, 5 hours ago)

dont be a retard, if all your spawn is syringe, get into agar

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