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Total freedom or total security?
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Choose.
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Shiithead]
#26934451 - 09/14/20 02:29 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Shouldn't even be up for debate but here we are.
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Shiithead]
#26934569 - 09/14/20 05:42 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Heroin or suicide?
I prefer a world where I am free to buy apples but where the apple merchant isn't free to inject them with a poison.
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Asante] 1
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Im all for freedom, but you should choose to give up your freedoms in certain situations like you should choose to wear a mask
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: gopher] 1
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gopher said: Im all for freedom, but you should choose to give up your freedoms in certain situations like you should choose to wear a mask
eggsactly.
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Asante]
#26934641 - 09/14/20 07:30 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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STAL. Total freedom doesn't exist in this world, and the political forces that claim to be about "freedom" are generally very selective about the pet interests they include in that.
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: psi]
#26934656 - 09/14/20 07:42 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Total freedom wouldt be good.
There would be people buying nuclear weapons and setting them off over cities and nations they don't like.
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Asante]
#26934662 - 09/14/20 07:49 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Total freedom up until the next asshole kills you. Not so total after all.
The "land of the free" has tons of people imprisoned for nonviolent drug offenses. But the speech and gun freedom package is supposed to be very competitive.
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Asante]
#26934668 - 09/14/20 08:00 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Asante said: Heroin or suicide?
I prefer a world where I am free to buy apples but where the apple merchant isn't free to inject them with a poison.
This argument irks me. I've seen it a million times.. freedom isn't the freedom to impose yourself on others. That should be pretty clear. True freedom means equality, true equality is a moralistic approach. Not law but rule. Like if someone steals some shit from me I'm free to walk on to his property and take it back by force, or with friends, without going to jail for doing so.
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There's always total freedom. Some people used it to assemble and create governments that limit that freedom for some individuals. They have the freedom to try to overthrow those systems
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Shiithead] 2
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: bodhisatta]
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bodhisatta said: There's always total freedom. Some people used it to assemble and create governments that limit that freedom for some individuals. They have the freedom to try to overthrow those systems
Yea I was going to say, we're living in the result of total freedom.
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: feevers]
#26934682 - 09/14/20 08:11 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Everybody is just a grown ass child. Children need structure. Things just wouldn't run as smoothly without direction as people would like. An imperative to society is rules.
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larry.fisherman said: freedom isn't the freedom to impose yourself on others. That should be pretty clear.
Then what you describe is not total freedom but conditional freedom.
Total = in every aspect.
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Asante]
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I'm not sure what any of us have if we don't have eachother. You're describing anarchism and anarchism isn't really a form anything but chaos. Freedom=/=chaos. Even the universe agrees with this. It says, I can get up every morning and I have the freedom to make choices. I am however not some quantum being who can traverse multidimensionality as merely the sum of my parts. I don't think that makes me not free. It means every system requires a foundation to function upon.
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I voted against total freedom.
Cosmically we're in an eternal closed cause & effect loop so total security is our total freedom.
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Asante]
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I typed in freedom in the more smileys section and it broke the more smileys page.....
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: spirit_shadow]
#26934833 - 09/14/20 09:50 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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total freedom or total security?
Yes.
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Asante]
#26934985 - 09/14/20 10:55 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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larry.fisherman said: freedom isn't the freedom to impose yourself on others. That should be pretty clear.
Then what you describe is not total freedom but conditional freedom.
Total = in every aspect.
If everyone is totally free, how can one be oppressed?
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Shiithead]
#26934998 - 09/14/20 11:01 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Easy, by two people who are totally free, with superior firepower.
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Shiithead]
#26935000 - 09/14/20 11:03 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Because they have the freedom to do so. To have this conversation one needs to realize that it doesn't make sense unless it's used in the context of a functioning social order. Freedom doesn't exist unless there's a reason it's being objectively mistreated. For it to be objective there has to be an agreed upon set of parameters and in a functioning social order that means ethical behaviour.
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I want the freedom to aim for a 55 gallon drum, with a 3 inch mortar, across the park.
Are you seriously going to infringe on free availability of 3 inch mortars to the general public?
No background check needed, just tell em not to put the shells in upside down when they buy it.
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Asante] 1
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You're suggesting people should be allowed to act like children with no sense of accountability. That isn't freedom that is just stupid people. There needs to be a social order for freedom. Social order means we have to create rules for the assholes. I.e. - ethical behaviour, set parameters/rules.. how can I be free if some asshole is endangering me and no one is doing anything about it. You seem like you're envisioning an immoral society based on the idea that concepts have extremes that may or may not be realistic.
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Can't happen if everyone has total freedom... unless we are perverting the meaning of freedom.
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Asante]
#26935017 - 09/14/20 11:12 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Asante said: I want the freedom to aim for a 55 gallon drum, with a 3 inch mortar, across the park.
Are you seriously going to infringe on free availability of 3 inch mortars to the general public?
No background check needed, just tell em not to put the shells in upside down when they buy it.
Should be fine as long as no one besides you potentially gets hurt. Gotta love freedom. It's pretty easy guys..
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Shiithead]
#26935023 - 09/14/20 11:14 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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You're free to think that
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: feevers] 1
#26935025 - 09/14/20 11:15 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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You're free to leave my thread.
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Shiithead]
#26935028 - 09/14/20 11:16 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Shiithead said:
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Asante said: I want the freedom to aim for a 55 gallon drum, with a 3 inch mortar, across the park.
Are you seriously going to infringe on free availability of 3 inch mortars to the general public?
No background check needed, just tell em not to put the shells in upside down when they buy it.
Should be fine as long as no one besides you potentially gets hurt. Gotta love freedom. It's pretty easy guys..
But what if an anti abortion activist uses the free availability of 3 inch mortars to shell an abortion clinic during office hours?
oops?
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Asante]
#26935035 - 09/14/20 11:19 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Abortion clinics wouldn't exist in a totally free world. A growing child has the right to be free too so I'm sorry but that scenario would never happen.
The nervous system start's developing days** after conception. This is my parameter for life on a macroscopic level... also a women won't know she's pregnant for weeks sometimes. Usually 3 or 4 I'm sure; following a disruption in menstration cycle. But that's another issue... thought I'd give all the facts though.
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Shiithead]
#26935055 - 09/14/20 11:31 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Would you punish violent crimes?
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Yeetusdeetus]
#26935058 - 09/14/20 11:32 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Would never happen in a totally free world.
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Shiithead]
#26935064 - 09/14/20 11:33 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm able to go as far to imagine freedom on the microscopic level and in animals too. This shit is biblical guys. Please wake up.
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Shiithead] 1
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The ideal you're talking about doesn't sound like it's actually implementable. Maybe if you replaced the humans with robots.
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Shiithead]
#26935075 - 09/14/20 11:39 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Punishment never happens or violent crime?
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Yeetusdeetus]
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Yeetusdeetus said: Punishment never happens or violent crime?
Neither would exist.
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Yeetusdeetus] 1
#26935080 - 09/14/20 11:43 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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NO VICTIM NO CRIME
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: psi]
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psi said: The ideal you're talking about doesn't sound like it's actually implementable. Maybe if you replaced the humans with robots.

The human variable throws people for a loop. I have faith in humanity though.
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Shiithead]
#26935090 - 09/14/20 11:47 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Faith in ALL humans?
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Yeetusdeetus]
#26935098 - 09/14/20 11:50 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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What we need is a FAIR law
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Shiithead]
#26935103 - 09/14/20 11:54 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Shiithead said: Abortion clinics wouldn't exist in a totally free world. A growing child has the right to be free too so I'm sorry but that scenario would never happen.
The nervous system start's developing days** after conception. This is my parameter for life on a macroscopic level... also a women won't know she's pregnant for weeks sometimes. Usually 3 or 4 I'm sure; following a disruption in menstration cycle. But that's another issue... thought I'd give all the facts though.
Abortions should be free.
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Yeetusdeetus]
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You're damn straight. All it takes is someone to change their mind. No matter how far gone. If I didn't feel so strongly about convincing you guys, I wouldn't be posting.
I'm sorry if I'm intense or aggressive. This is serious to me and I'm hurt when I see you guys knock freedom. Not just on a personal level but a communal one too.
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Gypsy Boy]
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Sounds like a song Republican Bob Marley would come up with.
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Asante]
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Sounds like a song Libertarian* Bob Marley would come up with.
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Shiithead]
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Yeetusdeetus said: Punishment never happens or violent crime?
Neither would exist.
A very totalitarian kind of freedom where no one actually moves beyond the behaviors expected of them.
The neighbors playing loud music at night totally wouldnt happen in total freedom.
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Asante]
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Shiithead said:
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Yeetusdeetus said: Punishment never happens or violent crime?
Neither would exist.
A very totalitarian kind of freedom where no one actually moves beyond the behaviors expected of them.
The neighbors playing loud music at night totally wouldnt happen in total freedom.
Or is he saying freedom to be a self policing society?
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Asante]
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The music is never too loud in a totally free society/world.

Who needs to work in the morning when you're free?
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Shiithead]
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Is drunk driving is legal in this system?
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Shiithead said: Abortion clinics wouldn't exist in a totally free world.
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Shiithead said: This is serious to me and I'm hurt when I see you guys knock freedom.
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Shiithead said: Who needs to work in the morning when you're free?
As if your poll wasn't the biggest piece of STAL I've seen in ages - for neither of the things can possibly ever exist - you then follow it up with this drivel.
You, sir, seem to be stuck in the age old predicament of not being able to see the wood for the trees.
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#26935190 - 09/14/20 12:56 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Street art seen in Barcelona:
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
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You, sir, seem to be stuck in the age old predicament of not being able to see the wood for the trees.
That's you dog lol
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#26935257 - 09/14/20 01:54 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Those are peruvian torch behind the people when they say YAY!
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Malkuthian]
#26935273 - 09/14/20 02:04 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Malkuthian said: Street art seen in Barcelona:
"We know your capitalist paradise, we want the hell of freedom"
Also, you should post more.
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Shiithead]
#26935278 - 09/14/20 02:07 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Can anyone make sense of the poll results? So many STAL'd out...
But what does it mean??
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#26935288 - 09/14/20 02:11 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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It means your poll was crap.
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Shiithead] 1
#26935313 - 09/14/20 02:26 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Shiithead said: Can anyone make sense of the poll results? So many STAL'd out...
But what does it mean??

Bad poll.
Total freedom does not exist and total security cannot be enforced by humans.
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Asante]
#26935316 - 09/14/20 02:27 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Total freedom can exist.
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Shiithead]
#26935317 - 09/14/20 02:28 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Human nature being what it is, it would result in massive involuntary loss of life.
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#26935452 - 09/14/20 03:47 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Humans did what we have right now with total freedom. Every system around is the result of humans having had total freedom in the past
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: bodhisatta]
#26935890 - 09/14/20 08:39 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm not sure that is accurate. However, I believe we inherently seek it out. It's almost as if its in our genetics. America was the first to acknowledge this and simultaneously have the ability to make it a reality given the circumstances and shear number of people wanting to separate from the church and society of Great Britain. Royalty were pretty much the only ones with the ability to be free because they figured out how to speed up the process for themselves at the expense of others. Lots of shitbags and cowards though who make it harder for us to be a little more closer to total freedom as a collective.
I have faith it will come to pass one day given all that has happened. We've come too far to turn back now.
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Shiithead] 1
#26935912 - 09/14/20 08:51 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I agree with Astante in some degree. Total freedom as most would consider it is close to no freedom. That means I have to watch my back all the time when I go out, or at night, or whenever because there is nothing keeping people from doing as they please.
Sure I give up some freedom in modernity but gain so much more in return. I can walk the street and (usually) not worry about being shot or robbed. The food I eat isn’t likely laced with something.
That and total freedom isn’t all it’s cracked up to be. Having lived a life similar to that concept it ain’t that dream you think it is. Then you get the nagging philosophical junk like how do you know you’re free.
I like my grey world, only a sith deals in absolutes. Then again, lightning hands.
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Shiithead] 1
#26935997 - 09/14/20 09:44 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeetusdeetus said: Punishment never happens or violent crime?
Neither would exist.
Your confusing freedom with Utopia. In a totally free society, I am free to gain military might and conquer. In a Utopia, that mere thought is anathema and wouldn't even exist.
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Ice9]
#26936011 - 09/14/20 09:48 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm not confusing it. They are synonymous. Please stop equating freedom as oppression. You're robbing us of our destiny by perpetuating that propaganda.
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Shiithead]
#26936020 - 09/14/20 09:57 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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So you're using semantics and sophistry to mean total freedom in a metaphysical sense, where you can act without repercussion but importantly it has no effect on any other being.
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Ice9]
#26936022 - 09/14/20 09:59 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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So something that doesn't exist then.
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: poofdargon]
#26936028 - 09/14/20 10:03 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Freedom will encompass all dimensions. No one can run. No one can hide. We will be free one day despite the dissenters.
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Shiithead]
#26936031 - 09/14/20 10:06 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Closest you're going to find to true freedom is probably in international waters. But watch out for pirates.
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: psi]
#26936043 - 09/14/20 10:10 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Nah space.
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Shiithead]
#26936044 - 09/14/20 10:12 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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freedom to live your life how you want to
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Shiithead]
#26936046 - 09/14/20 10:13 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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A place where I can't breath without a suit, can't move without external propulsion, and limited by food and supplies.
Freedom.
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: poofdargon] 1
#26936048 - 09/14/20 10:14 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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poofdargon said: A place where I can't breath without a suit, can't move without external propulsion, and limited by food and supplies.
Freedom.
We're in space right now actually, and can do all those things.
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: poofdargon]
#26936052 - 09/14/20 10:16 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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poofdargon said: A place where I can't breath without a suit, can't move without external propulsion, and limited by food and supplies.
Freedom.
Nothing gets past you, huh?
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Shiithead]
#26936079 - 09/14/20 10:36 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I don't know what more freedom western society misses exactly?
How are you oppressed shiithead? Without bitching about current emergency health directives what is it exactly that you want to do but can't?
You can go where you want, do what you want, say what you want, do whatever you want for work, fuck who you want, worship any god you choose and do whatever you want to your body. What's the problem? That drugs aren't legal? Is that it?
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Northerner]
#26936084 - 09/14/20 10:42 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Those who believe themselves to be free, are. Believe and all your dreams will come true.
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Northerner]
#26936098 - 09/14/20 10:55 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Northerner said: I don't know what more freedom western society misses exactly?
How are you oppressed shiithead? Without bitching about current emergency health directives what is it exactly that you want to do but can't?
You can go where you want, do what you want, say what you want, do whatever you want for work, fuck who you want, worship any god you choose and do whatever you want to your body. What's the problem? That drugs aren't legal? Is that it?
I may have those things but others dont. If one of us is oppressed, we all oppressed. Virtue isn't hereditary.
Furthermore, this thread was in response to a tea guzzling tyrant who was trying to convince you guys freedom isn't real. I'm the opposition. I've learned a lot though. I had no idea how many pansies and tyrants we had on the boards. I guess that's what is cool now.
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Shiithead]
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Shiithead said:
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Northerner said: I don't know what more freedom western society misses exactly?
How are you oppressed shiithead? Without bitching about current emergency health directives what is it exactly that you want to do but can't?
You can go where you want, do what you want, say what you want, do whatever you want for work, fuck who you want, worship any god you choose and do whatever you want to your body. What's the problem? That drugs aren't legal? Is that it?
I may have those things but others dont. If one of us is oppressed, we all oppressed. Virtue isn't hereditary.
Furthermore, this thread was in response to a tea guzzling tyrant who was trying to convince you guys freedom isn't real. I'm the opposition. I've learned a lot though. I had no idea how many pansies and tyrants we had on the boards. I guess that's what is cool now.
TIL shithead is a shithead. Stupid me for not realizing it.
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Ice9]
#26936137 - 09/14/20 11:20 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Ice9]
#26936150 - 09/14/20 11:26 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's ok, I didn't know either.
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Shiithead]
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Shiithead said:
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Northerner said: I don't know what more freedom western society misses exactly?
How are you oppressed shiithead? Without bitching about current emergency health directives what is it exactly that you want to do but can't?
You can go where you want, do what you want, say what you want, do whatever you want for work, fuck who you want, worship any god you choose and do whatever you want to your body. What's the problem? That drugs aren't legal? Is that it?
I may have those things but others dont. If one of us is oppressed, we all oppressed. Virtue isn't hereditary.
Furthermore, this thread was in response to a tea guzzling tyrant who was trying to convince you guys freedom isn't real. I'm the opposition. I've learned a lot though. I had no idea how many pansies and tyrants we had on the boards. I guess that's what is cool now.
I don't understand man. Maybe I need more drugs, maybe less. I dunno.
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Northerner]
#26936201 - 09/15/20 12:22 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Idk brother. I was driven by pain until I broke through. Now Im driven by pleasure. Unless you've experienced your freedoms being raped, you can only sympathize or criticize I suppose.
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Shiithead]
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Thanks for trying to understand though. That's more than most do in any topic of debate.
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Shiithead] 1
#26936450 - 09/15/20 06:44 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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How about freedom to live and work in any country of your choice
Corporate beurocrats nazis literally ruined my life by imposing idiotic migration policies
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Gypsy Boy]
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I did a short college course
I got a job in a 5 star hotel as a comis chef. Within 6 months I was promoted to breakfast chef, within next 6 months promoted to Chef de Partie (a mid range chef rank)
If i was a capable chef in the UK, I could be well capable chef in Australia, I dont see why Canberra fuckets didnt see it that way. They told me I need 6 years of experience before I get a visa. Scam. After their visa denial my life started spinning down the toilet, suffered nervous break down cos I was busting my ass working 80 hour weeks for no cause any more, more shit followed
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Shiithead]
#26936604 - 09/15/20 08:56 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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It’s not really a debate if all you do is keep insisting your view it true without any reason or evidence to support it.
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: poofdargon]
#26936823 - 09/15/20 11:09 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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You're out of your goddamn mind.
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Shiithead]
#26936880 - 09/15/20 11:40 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Am I?
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Gypsy Boy]
#26937138 - 09/15/20 01:54 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Gypsy Boy said: I did a short college course
I got a job in a 5 star hotel as a comis chef. Within 6 months I was promoted to breakfast chef, within next 6 months promoted to Chef de Partie (a mid range chef rank)
If i was a capable chef in the UK, I could be well capable chef in Australia, I dont see why Canberra fuckets didnt see it that way. They told me I need 6 years of experience before I get a visa. Scam. After their visa denial my life started spinning down the toilet, suffered nervous break down cos I was busting my ass working 80 hour weeks for no cause any more, more shit followed
That's like saying you went to the Porsche dealership with enough money for a Honda and they wouldn't give you a Porsche, then calling them scammers.
Australian immigration laws aren't so easily stepped by. All the information was there already if you looked closer. You weren't targetted for discrimination. One is not a professional chef after a year in the kitchen. To become one in Australia it's a 4 year apprenticeship that includes actual study and written tests.
If you really want in get a qualification that lets you in man. Study teaching, nursing, engineering, there's a list of wanted professions (not jobs) online... At the end of it you'll be able to earn $$$s and you get your visa easily, that is if you still even want it.
You live in a free country man. If you want it reach out and grab it. No one is stopping you.
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Northerner]
#26937169 - 09/15/20 02:04 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ugghhhh * my health is now fucked, i told u i cant even function without benzos, like i said i suffered a break down in 2005, but that was just the start... i considered doing a nursing degree, thats the only thing they gonna give me student loan for, but im afraid im out of juice
Had a Austrtalian girlfried 5 years ago but we broke up, fullishly, i was partyl to blame, should have stuck with her, married and got a visa
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Gypsy Boy]
#26937184 - 09/15/20 02:10 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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That's like saying you went to the Porsche dealership with enough money for a Honda and they wouldn't give you a Porsche, then calling them scammers.
I hope you not saying that Australia is like porsche and other countries hondas. Its still Gods land, which should be free to dwell on, its under the same sun after all
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One is not a professional chef after a year in the kitchen.
It is so in England, i was mid range - Chef De Partie, a professional title
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At the end of it you'll be able to earn $$$s and you get your visa easily, that is if you still even want it.
Im well over 30 which lands me in unfavourable category for visas . PLUS i got mental health problems in the past and my doc said they wont give me a visa any more
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Gypsy Boy]
#26937213 - 09/15/20 02:23 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thinking honestly, out of all chefs in my English 5 star hotel only half had some form of official education - like NVQ or a year in college. Other half started as kitchen hands and worked their way up to become a pro. I was lucky i didnt have to wash dishes , i started out as commis
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Gypsy Boy]
#26937222 - 09/15/20 02:26 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Gypsy Boy said:
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That's like saying you went to the Porsche dealership with enough money for a Honda and they wouldn't give you a Porsche, then calling them scammers.
I hope you not saying that Australia is like porsche and other countries hondas. Its still Gods land, which should be free to dwell on, its under the same sun after all
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One is not a professional chef after a year in the kitchen.
It is so in England, i was mid range - Chef De Partie, a professional title
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At the end of it you'll be able to earn $$$s and you get your visa easily, that is if you still even want it.
Im well over 30 which lands me in unfavourable category for visas . PLUS i got mental health problems in the past and my doc said they wont give me a visa any more 
Sorry to hear that man, yeah they won't let in someone who is likely to become a burden on the health system. My mother in law is in South Africa and is an operating theatre nurse, a profession right at the top of a free pass in. She has loads of money and is of sound mind... but she was hit by a car a few years back and is now in a wheel chair. So despite her daughter and grandkids being here and all the other boxes being checked she cannot get residency. That's just how it is. I don't like it but I understand why.
I'm not saying the rest of the world is like Hondas, there's many fabulous countries, but you weren't trying to enter Nigeria or Sudan after all.
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Northerner]
#26937230 - 09/15/20 02:29 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Dont worry one day i will make it
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Gypsy Boy]
#26937240 - 09/15/20 02:33 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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You can do it man!
You're not in a wheel chair. You can change your reality.
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Northerner]
#26937247 - 09/15/20 02:39 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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There was a episode of Nothing to Declare.
A Chinese dude arrived in Sydney or somewhere and said hew was Aus citizen . He had a legit Australian passport, drivers license and medicare card and shit.
But he didnt get in. I think his medicare was issued after the passport date, thats how they caught him, oh and he spoke little English and lacked knowledge where he grew up in Australia.
That dude was a slick one. He had some paper pusher on the inside that cut out a real Aussie passport for him...
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Gypsy Boy]
#26937258 - 09/15/20 02:45 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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It was a good try though. Full marks. He'll do better next time no doubt.
They should have let him in man. This country was founded by industrious criminals.
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Gypsy Boy] 1
#26937262 - 09/15/20 02:46 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Gypsy Boy said: How about freedom to live and work in any country of your choice
Or at least an EU-like deal between the UK, Canada, Australia and NZ.
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: psi] 1
#26937267 - 09/15/20 02:48 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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FFS man. 30 years ago right, there was a deal between Aus and UK to shift and live and work anywhere.
Then it was UK first that cancelled that deal and Australia followed
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Gypsy Boy] 1
#26937288 - 09/15/20 02:53 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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That's how my family got here in the 70s.
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Gypsy Boy said: How about freedom to live and work in any country of your choice
Or at least an EU-like deal between the UK, Canada, Australia and NZ.
Hell yeah. You Canadians are such nice folks and hard workers to boot. We need more folks like you.
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Shiithead] 2
#26946113 - 09/20/20 12:16 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Shiithead said:
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Malkuthian said: Street art seen in Barcelona:
"We know your capitalist paradise, we want the hell of freedom"
Also, you should post more.
Took a while to find. It was apparently 7 years ago... and "want" was "look for", almost got it
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Malkuthian]
#26946118 - 09/20/20 12:19 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks for coming through man! Wow you didn't dissapoint.
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