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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Yeetusdeetus]
    #26935104 - 09/14/20 11:54 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

You're damn straight. All it takes is someone to change their mind. No matter how far gone. If I didn't feel so strongly about convincing you guys, I wouldn't be posting.

I'm sorry if I'm intense or aggressive. This is serious to me and I'm hurt when I see you guys knock freedom. Not just on a personal level but a communal one too.


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For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Psalm 12:6
The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Hebrews 11:3
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Gypsy Boy]
    #26935111 - 09/14/20 11:59 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Gypsy Boy said:
NO VICTIM NO CRIME :crankey:





Sounds like a song Republican Bob Marley would come up with.


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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Asante]
    #26935119 - 09/14/20 12:01 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Asante said:
Quote:

Gypsy Boy said:
NO VICTIM NO CRIME :crankey:





Sounds like a song Libertarian* Bob Marley would come up with.




:bobmarley:


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Ephesians 6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Psalm 12:6
The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Hebrews 11:3
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Revelation 3:11
Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.


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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Shiithead]
    #26935121 - 09/14/20 12:01 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Shiithead said:
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Yeetusdeetus said:
Punishment never happens or violent crime?




Neither would exist.





A very totalitarian kind of freedom where no one actually moves beyond the behaviors expected of them.

The neighbors playing loud music at night totally wouldnt happen in total freedom.


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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Asante]
    #26935126 - 09/14/20 12:05 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Asante said:
Quote:

Shiithead said:
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Yeetusdeetus said:
Punishment never happens or violent crime?




Neither would exist.





A very totalitarian kind of freedom where no one actually moves beyond the behaviors expected of them.

The neighbors playing loud music at night totally wouldnt happen in total freedom.



Or is he saying freedom to be a self policing society?


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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Asante]
    #26935127 - 09/14/20 12:06 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

The music is never too loud in a totally free society/world.

:smugjerry:

Who needs to work in the morning when you're free?



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Ephesians 6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Psalm 12:6
The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Hebrews 11:3
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Revelation 3:11
Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.


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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Shiithead]
    #26935140 - 09/14/20 12:18 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Is drunk driving is legal in this system?


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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Shiithead] * 4
    #26935184 - 09/14/20 12:51 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Shiithead said:
Abortion clinics wouldn't exist in a totally free world.



Quote:

Shiithead said:
This is serious to me and I'm hurt when I see you guys knock freedom.



Quote:

Shiithead said:
Who needs to work in the morning when you're free?



As if your poll wasn't the biggest piece of STAL I've seen in ages - for neither of the things can possibly ever exist - you then follow it up with this drivel.

You, sir, seem to be stuck in the age old predicament of not being able to see the wood for the trees.


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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 2
    #26935190 - 09/14/20 12:56 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Street art seen in Barcelona:

"We know your capitalist paradise, we want the hell of freedom"


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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26935202 - 09/14/20 01:15 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Jokeshopbeard said:

You, sir, seem to be stuck in the age old predicament of not being able to see the wood for the trees.




That's you dog lol


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Ephesians 6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Psalm 12:6
The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Hebrews 11:3
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Revelation 3:11
Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.


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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Sugabearcrisp] * 1
    #26935257 - 09/14/20 01:54 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Sugabearcrisp said:





Those are peruvian torch behind the people when they say YAY!:grin:


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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Malkuthian]
    #26935273 - 09/14/20 02:04 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Malkuthian said:
Street art seen in Barcelona:

"We know your capitalist paradise, we want the hell of freedom"




:picdidnthappen:


Also, you should post more.


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Ephesians 6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Psalm 12:6
The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Hebrews 11:3
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Revelation 3:11
Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.


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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Shiithead]
    #26935278 - 09/14/20 02:07 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Can anyone make sense of the poll results? So many STAL'd out...

But what does it mean??

:wtfsonic:


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Ephesians 6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Psalm 12:6
The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Hebrews 11:3
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Revelation 3:11
Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.


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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Shiithead] * 3
    #26935288 - 09/14/20 02:11 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

It means your poll was crap.


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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Shiithead] * 1
    #26935313 - 09/14/20 02:26 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Shiithead said:
Can anyone make sense of the poll results? So many STAL'd out...

But what does it mean??

:wtfsonic:





Bad poll.

Total freedom does not exist and total security cannot be enforced by humans.


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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Asante]
    #26935316 - 09/14/20 02:27 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Total freedom can exist.


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Ephesians 6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Psalm 12:6
The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Hebrews 11:3
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Revelation 3:11
Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.


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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Shiithead]
    #26935317 - 09/14/20 02:28 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Human nature being what it is, it would result in massive involuntary loss of life.


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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Asante] * 3
    #26935452 - 09/14/20 03:47 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Humans did what we have right now with total freedom. Every system around is the result of humans having had total freedom in the past


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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26935890 - 09/14/20 08:39 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I'm not sure that is accurate. However, I believe we inherently seek it out. It's almost as if its in our genetics. America was the first to acknowledge this and simultaneously have the ability to make it a reality given the circumstances and shear number of people wanting to separate from the church and society of Great Britain. Royalty were pretty much the only ones with the ability to be free because they figured out how to speed up the process for themselves at the expense of others. Lots of shitbags and cowards though who make it harder for us to be a little more closer to total freedom as a collective.

I have faith it will come to pass one day given all that has happened. We've come too far to turn back now.


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Ephesians 6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Psalm 12:6
The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Hebrews 11:3
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Revelation 3:11
Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.


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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Shiithead] * 1
    #26935912 - 09/14/20 08:51 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I agree with Astante in some degree. Total freedom as most would consider it is close to no freedom. That means I have to watch my back all the time when I go out, or at night, or whenever because there is nothing keeping people from doing as they please.

Sure I give up some freedom in modernity but gain so much more in return. I can walk the street and (usually) not worry about being shot or robbed. The food I eat isn’t likely laced with something.

That and total freedom isn’t all it’s cracked up to be. Having lived a life similar to that concept it ain’t that dream you think it is. Then you get the nagging philosophical junk like how do you know you’re free.

I like my grey world, only a sith deals in absolutes. Then again, lightning hands.


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