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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Shiithead]
#26935000 - 09/14/20 11:03 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Because they have the freedom to do so. To have this conversation one needs to realize that it doesn't make sense unless it's used in the context of a functioning social order. Freedom doesn't exist unless there's a reason it's being objectively mistreated. For it to be objective there has to be an agreed upon set of parameters and in a functioning social order that means ethical behaviour.
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I want the freedom to aim for a 55 gallon drum, with a 3 inch mortar, across the park.
Are you seriously going to infringe on free availability of 3 inch mortars to the general public?
No background check needed, just tell em not to put the shells in upside down when they buy it.
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Asante] 1
#26935014 - 09/14/20 11:10 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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You're suggesting people should be allowed to act like children with no sense of accountability. That isn't freedom that is just stupid people. There needs to be a social order for freedom. Social order means we have to create rules for the assholes. I.e. - ethical behaviour, set parameters/rules.. how can I be free if some asshole is endangering me and no one is doing anything about it. You seem like you're envisioning an immoral society based on the idea that concepts have extremes that may or may not be realistic.
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Can't happen if everyone has total freedom... unless we are perverting the meaning of freedom.
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Asante]
#26935017 - 09/14/20 11:12 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Asante said: I want the freedom to aim for a 55 gallon drum, with a 3 inch mortar, across the park.
Are you seriously going to infringe on free availability of 3 inch mortars to the general public?
No background check needed, just tell em not to put the shells in upside down when they buy it.
Should be fine as long as no one besides you potentially gets hurt. Gotta love freedom. It's pretty easy guys..
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Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Psalm 12:6 The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Hebrews 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear. Revelation 3:11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Shiithead]
#26935023 - 09/14/20 11:14 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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You're free to think that
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: feevers] 1
#26935025 - 09/14/20 11:15 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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You're free to leave my thread.
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Shiithead]
#26935028 - 09/14/20 11:16 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Shiithead said:
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Asante said: I want the freedom to aim for a 55 gallon drum, with a 3 inch mortar, across the park.
Are you seriously going to infringe on free availability of 3 inch mortars to the general public?
No background check needed, just tell em not to put the shells in upside down when they buy it.
Should be fine as long as no one besides you potentially gets hurt. Gotta love freedom. It's pretty easy guys..
But what if an anti abortion activist uses the free availability of 3 inch mortars to shell an abortion clinic during office hours?
oops?
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Asante]
#26935035 - 09/14/20 11:19 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Abortion clinics wouldn't exist in a totally free world. A growing child has the right to be free too so I'm sorry but that scenario would never happen.
The nervous system start's developing days** after conception. This is my parameter for life on a macroscopic level... also a women won't know she's pregnant for weeks sometimes. Usually 3 or 4 I'm sure; following a disruption in menstration cycle. But that's another issue... thought I'd give all the facts though.
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Shiithead]
#26935055 - 09/14/20 11:31 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Would you punish violent crimes?
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Yeetusdeetus]
#26935058 - 09/14/20 11:32 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Would never happen in a totally free world.
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Shiithead]
#26935064 - 09/14/20 11:33 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm able to go as far to imagine freedom on the microscopic level and in animals too. This shit is biblical guys. Please wake up.
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Shiithead] 1
#26935073 - 09/14/20 11:37 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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The ideal you're talking about doesn't sound like it's actually implementable. Maybe if you replaced the humans with robots.
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Shiithead]
#26935075 - 09/14/20 11:39 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Punishment never happens or violent crime?
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Yeetusdeetus]
#26935079 - 09/14/20 11:42 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeetusdeetus said: Punishment never happens or violent crime?
Neither would exist.
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Yeetusdeetus] 1
#26935080 - 09/14/20 11:43 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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NO VICTIM NO CRIME
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: psi]
#26935081 - 09/14/20 11:43 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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psi said: The ideal you're talking about doesn't sound like it's actually implementable. Maybe if you replaced the humans with robots.

The human variable throws people for a loop. I have faith in humanity though.
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Shiithead]
#26935090 - 09/14/20 11:47 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Faith in ALL humans?
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Yeetusdeetus]
#26935098 - 09/14/20 11:50 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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What we need is a FAIR law
Thats how its going to be after ascension
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Shiithead]
#26935103 - 09/14/20 11:54 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Shiithead said: Abortion clinics wouldn't exist in a totally free world. A growing child has the right to be free too so I'm sorry but that scenario would never happen.
The nervous system start's developing days** after conception. This is my parameter for life on a macroscopic level... also a women won't know she's pregnant for weeks sometimes. Usually 3 or 4 I'm sure; following a disruption in menstration cycle. But that's another issue... thought I'd give all the facts though.
Abortions should be free.
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