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Shiithead
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Total freedom or total security?
#26934450 - 09/14/20 02:23 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Choose.
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Shiithead
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Shiithead]
#26934451 - 09/14/20 02:29 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Shouldn't even be up for debate but here we are.
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Shiithead]
#26934569 - 09/14/20 05:42 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Heroin or suicide?
I prefer a world where I am free to buy apples but where the apple merchant isn't free to inject them with a poison.
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Asante] 1
#26934594 - 09/14/20 06:31 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Im all for freedom, but you should choose to give up your freedoms in certain situations like you should choose to wear a mask
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: gopher] 1
#26934612 - 09/14/20 07:00 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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gopher said: Im all for freedom, but you should choose to give up your freedoms in certain situations like you should choose to wear a mask
eggsactly.
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Asante]
#26934641 - 09/14/20 07:30 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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STAL. Total freedom doesn't exist in this world, and the political forces that claim to be about "freedom" are generally very selective about the pet interests they include in that.
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Asante
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: psi]
#26934656 - 09/14/20 07:42 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Total freedom wouldt be good.
There would be people buying nuclear weapons and setting them off over cities and nations they don't like.
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Asante]
#26934662 - 09/14/20 07:49 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Total freedom up until the next asshole kills you. Not so total after all.
The "land of the free" has tons of people imprisoned for nonviolent drug offenses. But the speech and gun freedom package is supposed to be very competitive.
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larry.fisherman
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Asante]
#26934668 - 09/14/20 08:00 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Asante said: Heroin or suicide?
I prefer a world where I am free to buy apples but where the apple merchant isn't free to inject them with a poison.
This argument irks me. I've seen it a million times.. freedom isn't the freedom to impose yourself on others. That should be pretty clear. True freedom means equality, true equality is a moralistic approach. Not law but rule. Like if someone steals some shit from me I'm free to walk on to his property and take it back by force, or with friends, without going to jail for doing so.
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There's always total freedom. Some people used it to assemble and create governments that limit that freedom for some individuals. They have the freedom to try to overthrow those systems
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Shiithead] 2
#26934675 - 09/14/20 08:05 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Edited by Sugabearcrisp (09/14/20 08:26 AM)
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: bodhisatta]
#26934679 - 09/14/20 08:07 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: There's always total freedom. Some people used it to assemble and create governments that limit that freedom for some individuals. They have the freedom to try to overthrow those systems
Yea I was going to say, we're living in the result of total freedom.
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: feevers]
#26934682 - 09/14/20 08:11 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Everybody is just a grown ass child. Children need structure. Things just wouldn't run as smoothly without direction as people would like. An imperative to society is rules.
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Asante
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larry.fisherman said: freedom isn't the freedom to impose yourself on others. That should be pretty clear.
Then what you describe is not total freedom but conditional freedom.
Total = in every aspect.
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Asante]
#26934698 - 09/14/20 08:24 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm not sure what any of us have if we don't have eachother. You're describing anarchism and anarchism isn't really a form anything but chaos. Freedom=/=chaos. Even the universe agrees with this. It says, I can get up every morning and I have the freedom to make choices. I am however not some quantum being who can traverse multidimensionality as merely the sum of my parts. I don't think that makes me not free. It means every system requires a foundation to function upon.
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Asante
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I voted against total freedom.
Cosmically we're in an eternal closed cause & effect loop so total security is our total freedom.
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Asante]
#26934715 - 09/14/20 08:34 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I typed in freedom in the more smileys section and it broke the more smileys page.....
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: spirit_shadow]
#26934833 - 09/14/20 09:50 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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total freedom or total security?
Yes.
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Shiithead
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Asante]
#26934985 - 09/14/20 10:55 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Asante said:
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larry.fisherman said: freedom isn't the freedom to impose yourself on others. That should be pretty clear.
Then what you describe is not total freedom but conditional freedom.
Total = in every aspect.
If everyone is totally free, how can one be oppressed?
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Re: Total freedom or total security? [Re: Shiithead]
#26934998 - 09/14/20 11:01 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Easy, by two people who are totally free, with superior firepower.
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