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Re: The illusion of freedom [Re: Shiithead] 1
#26935154 - 09/14/20 12:26 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah man, nothing says freedom like 2 million dead Vietnamese civilians.Quote:
Shiithead said: Nothing like some locks and chains to keep you guys nice and cozy huh?
Yeah man, nothing says freedom like 2 million dead Vietnamese civilians.
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The war in Vietnam was in the name of freedom wasn't it?
What a great example of A Bright Shining Lie.
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spirit_shadow said: Fuck yeah it is.
How so?
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Re: The illusion of freedom [Re: Eminence]
#26935196 - 09/14/20 01:05 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Eminence said: We have a lot more freedom than most of the world though.
You see this is a prime example of why I started this thread, and of what I've seen in three years living in the USA; this is exactly what they want you to believe in this country, when in reality, this country breeds people overall far less free than most of the world IMO. Here's why:
- If material freedom is how one ranks freedom in this life; then sure this place ranks in abundance.
- If emotional and spiritual freedom is how one ranks freedom in this life; then this place has people more trapped, enslaved and in bondage than just about any other place I have ever been.
So what is freedom anyway?
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Man this thread is gold.
This piece of stand up is worth a listen.
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I'm not sure what you mean about not being able to be emotionally and spiritually free here
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LOL.
Thanks for that man, that was awesome.
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Eminence said: I'm not sure what you mean about not being able to be emotionally and spiritually free here
I'm absolutely not surprised.
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Quote:
Jokeshopbeard said:
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Eminence said: We have a lot more freedom than most of the world though.
You see this is a prime example of why I started this thread, and of what I've seen in three years living in the USA; this is exactly what they want you to believe in this country, when in reality, this country breeds people overall far less free than most of the world IMO. Here's why:
- If material freedom is how one ranks freedom in this life; then sure this place ranks in abundance.
- If emotional and spiritual freedom is how one ranks freedom in this life; then this place has people more trapped, enslaved and in bondage than just about any other place I have ever been.
So what is freedom anyway?
since the industrial revolution, modern society lives in a self-congratulatory myth. if you comprise part of your freedom, you compromise all of it. modern humans have created artificial struggles to keep themselves mindlessly busy and willfully enslaved.
Rabindranath Tagore has a poem on freedom of thought that he wrote in the days of India’s preindependence as a prayer for his country. i have always thought that it captures the spirit of freedom.
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Where the mind is without fear and the head held high; Where knowledge is free; Where the world has not been broken up into fragments by narrow domestic walls; Where words come out from the depth of truth; Where tireless striving stretches its arms towards perfection; Where the clear stream of reason has not lost its way into the dreary desert sand of dead habit; Where the mind is led forward by Thee into ever-widening thought and action; Into that heaven of freedom, my Father, let my country awake.
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I think freedom is something most people dont have. I know millions of people who have freedom flags and eagles on their trucks but are balls deep in a POS mortgage and car payments with with 3 kids and a full time job working 6-7 days a week 12 hour days, they crushed their own freedom willingly
Im a serious nerd for my type if freedom, its to be attained and maintained. Its the type of freedom that lets me wake up whenever i want, choose what i want to do each day, consume whatever i want whenever i want, ride my bikes whenever i want, wherever i want, make my money whenever i want, make as little or as much as i feel like, money doesnt matter much because of the way i set my life up. Nobody can just have all that anywhere in the world. You have to work hard as fuck for a period of time but not even for that long if you avoid most of the worst and most common financial pitfalls in life, which if youre heathy, it is not that hard to attain your own version of freedom, probably almost anywhere in the world thats not a warzone.
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Re: The illusion of freedom [Re: Shiithead]
#26935286 - 09/14/20 02:10 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ye but scientifically and fundamentally speaking.. free will does not and can not exist. It just doesn't work like that.
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Re: The illusion of freedom [Re: Kelazam]
#26935310 - 09/14/20 02:25 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Free will is a philosophical construct It can't be quantified because it just is. However, freedom can be quantified. I'd like to see everyone have their freedom maximized. Seems most disagree. I believe it stems from fear or ignorance.
Love wins guys.
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Re: The illusion of freedom [Re: Shiithead]
#26935330 - 09/14/20 02:37 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Shiithead said: freedom can be quantified.
Please do.
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Re: The illusion of freedom [Re: Shiithead]
#26935335 - 09/14/20 02:38 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Alright then. I want to set off a nuke in the atmosphere over north america because I think it would look cool. Freedom. Maximum. I also want to create a sound system that will broadcast globally so I can bless the world with the music of our saviour, Mac Miller, 24 hours a day 7 days a week. It'll be so loud that everyone has to yell everything to eachother, everywhere, and have bass so fat that the word thicc gets redefined as a comparison to how many fatal heart arrythmias occur during Programs. Freedom. America. Also, I want to fuck an eagle on top of Donald Trump's corpse.
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Re: The illusion of freedom [Re: Shiithead]
#26935343 - 09/14/20 02:44 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I agree with you for sure! Before I go on a psychedelic trip I always write down a couple questions for myself relating to my life and reality that I want insight on and I once wrote down "Am I free?" and during the trip I instantly knew that I was not and it made perfect sense. After the trip I googled the question and I saw a ton of articles and websites that also agree with me that free will does not exist and can not exist whatsoever. Everything is already predetermined and you have no control over what happens with it even though all of your senses and thoughts clearly say otherwise. When you go down to it though and analyze it you can see that everything has already happened in a sense and it's just a never ending cycle of infinite energy that is transforming and manifesting into what it is already and has been and will be.
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Quote:
Jokeshopbeard said: The war in Vietnam was in the name of freedom wasn't it?
What a great example of A Bright Shining Lie.
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spirit_shadow said: Fuck yeah it is.
How so?
Spiritual freedom. Psychological freedom.
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Freedom of Mind. Like the freedom of a fully lucid dream. Is entirely achievable by those noble ones willing to live in true harmony & be at peace.
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spirit_shadow said: Spiritual freedom. Psychological freedom.
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The Blind Ass said: Freedom of Mind.
See this is my idea of what freedom really is.
And, if that really is an agreed upon idea by many of what freedom is, then the nation that so frequently touts that it has more freedom than any other is the one which actually has some of the least.
It's all a very clever set up, IMO.
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
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Jokeshopbeard said: The war in Vietnam was in the name of freedom wasn't it?
It was part of the war on communism, freedom was touted as the reason communism was a threat. That shortly lost favour after the Vietnam war so the war on drugs was invented not long later. The problem with that war is people weren't shooting back, so the war on terrorism was created which still goes on till this day.
All of these wars are wars on ideals. Unquantifiable targets that hide in the shadows, a great reason to shoot people with very expensive hardware. And anyone who doesn't buy into the fear or thinks it's wrong is either unpatriotic, a coward or one of those who needs liberating. By liberating I mean being shot/blown up with aforementioned expensive hardware.
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Jokeshopbeard said:
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spirit_shadow said: Spiritual freedom. Psychological freedom.
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The Blind Ass said: Freedom of Mind.
See this is my idea of what freedom really is.
And, if that really is an agreed upon idea by many of what freedom is, then the nation that so frequently touts that it has more freedom than any other is the one which actually has some of the least.
It's all a very clever set up, IMO.
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
Oh I agree.
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Sounds like you're just complaining about non existent problems. Nobody is keeping you from being spiritual and emotional and whatever the hell you're talking about. Unless you're talking about taking a bunch of drugs and calling it being spiritual.
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Jokeshopbeard said: The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
From the movie The Usual Suspects. Line delivered by Kevin Spacey.
Lots of America there, and I don't think the world doubts its existence.
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