Home | Community | Message Board

Sporeworks
This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.


Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Shop: PhytoExtractum Buy Bali Kratom Powder, Maeng Da Thai Kratom Leaf Powder   Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order   Kraken Kratom Red Vein Kratom

Jump to first unread post Pages: 1
InvisibleAhab McBathsalts
OTD Windmill Administrator
Other User Gallery Ultimate Champion: Blackjack


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 11/25/02
Posts: 35,107
Loc: Wind Turbine, AB Flag
Who has some literature about anarchists and antifascists?
    #26932566 - 09/12/20 09:44 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Links and information would be appreciated.


--------------------
"Nobody exists on purpose. Nobody belongs anywhere. Everybody's going to die."


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinemeltdowner
Total Noob
Male


Registered: 09/06/17
Posts: 1,457
Loc: New York City
Last seen: 6 months, 30 days
Re: Who has some literature about anarchists and antifascists? [Re: Ahab McBathsalts]
    #26932577 - 09/12/20 09:49 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

www.reddit.com

The whole site is run by commies


--------------------
I'm a Lightweight.  I like to eat like two caps at a time.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleAhab McBathsalts
OTD Windmill Administrator
Other User Gallery Ultimate Champion: Blackjack


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 11/25/02
Posts: 35,107
Loc: Wind Turbine, AB Flag
Re: Who has some literature about anarchists and antifascists? [Re: meltdowner]
    #26932587 - 09/12/20 09:54 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I was looking for something a little deeper than cat memes, bro.


--------------------
"Nobody exists on purpose. Nobody belongs anywhere. Everybody's going to die."


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineKryptos
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 11/01/14
Posts: 12,262
Last seen: 1 hour, 12 minutes
Re: Who has some literature about anarchists and antifascists? [Re: Ahab McBathsalts]
    #26932597 - 09/12/20 10:00 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Shivas.Wisdom is probably the guy to talk to, though he's busy lately.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinemeltdowner
Total Noob
Male


Registered: 09/06/17
Posts: 1,457
Loc: New York City
Last seen: 6 months, 30 days
Re: Who has some literature about anarchists and antifascists? [Re: Kryptos]
    #26932600 - 09/12/20 10:04 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

He the one setting those fires?


--------------------
I'm a Lightweight.  I like to eat like two caps at a time.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleAsante
Mage
Male User Gallery

Registered: 02/06/02
Posts: 86,795
Re: Who has some literature about anarchists and antifascists? [Re: Ahab McBathsalts]
    #26932881 - 09/13/20 05:59 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Ahab McBathsalts said:
Links and information would be appreciated.





Uhh, via the wikipedia links section towards the source sites? Wikipedia itself tends to have a skew but everything's referenced with source sites which makes it a good starting point for your search. Just don't end it there.


--------------------
Omnicyclion.org
higher knowledge starts here


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineshivas.wisdom
בּ
 User Gallery

Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 02/19/09
Posts: 13,428
Loc: Turtle Island
Last seen: 10 hours, 44 minutes
Re: Who has some literature about anarchists and antifascists? [Re: Ahab McBathsalts] * 4
    #26933177 - 09/13/20 10:49 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Kryptos said:
Shivas.Wisdom is probably the guy to talk to, though he's busy lately.



yeah I spent most of summer grasshopperin' around as usual :lol: and now it's cold and I'm rushing around preparing for winter. Ahab hits a soft spot though - my first major lived anarchist experience was setting up a guerilla library in a city park at a time when the city government was closing down libraries. The city police evicted us two months later, but before that happened we grew our collection to ~2000 books and had a few news articles written that threw shade at the city government: "I find myself wondering how it is that the entire City of Toronto cannot maintain a public library that serves the local community, but that somehow a few kids in tents can do exactly that."

Ever since, I just can't resist a request that combines anarchy and literature :lol:





@ Ahab McBathsalts - something you'll hear repeated often is that 'anarchism is not a blueprint'. It is not a system that would supposedly work if only it were applied right, like democracy; nor a goal to be realized in some far-off future, like communism. It is a way of acting and relating that we can put into practice right now. Reading about anarchism might be the most obvious way to start learning -  but nothing can replace the lived experience of anarchy. To assist in achieving that, I'll point you towards the concepts of affinity groups, direct action, and the modern-day anarchist cookbook Recipes for Disaster.

Otherwise, I compiled this reading list a short while ago that covers a wide range of topics:


These provide a basic primer:
To Change Everything: An Anarchist Appeal
Bob Black - Anarchy 101
Albert Meltzer - Anarchism: Arguments for and against


These books offer more detailed looks at some of the basic principles of anarchism in action:
Peter Gelderloos - Anarchy Works!
Petr Kropotkin - Mutual Aid: A Factor of Evolution
Petr Kropotkin  - Fields, Factories and Workshops


These books provide a look into anarchist resistance:
Henry David Thoreau - Civil Disobedience
Peter Gelderloos - How Nonviolence Protects the State
David Graeber - The Shock of Victory


These are more esoteric texts that give a look into the individualist and insurrectionary tendencies of anarchism - they tend to blend the line between poetry and political text:
Renzo Novatore - Toward the Creative Nothing (the most personally influential piece of literature in this list)
Max Stirner - The Unique and Its Property
Alfredo Bonanno - Armed Joy
The Invisible Committee - The Coming Insurrection


Some green-nihilism texts - must reads in our present era of ecological upheaval:
Anonymous - Desert
Anonymous - We Fight because We Like It: Maintaining Our Morale against Seemingly Insurmountable Odds


These are some examples of post-left anarchism - which approaches things outside of the 'workers organizing' offered by traditional leftism:
Nadia C - Your Politics Are Boring As Fuck
Curious George Brigade - Anarchy in the Age of Dinosaurs
David Graeber - On the Phenomenon of Bullshit Jobs: A Work Rant
David Graeber - What’s the Point If We Can’t Have Fun?
Bob Black - The Abolition of Work


And some anarchist fiction - most are short fiction but the first is a modern anarchist mythology and the last two are full length novels:
Aragorn! - Stories of the Bear and Raccoon People
Ursula K. Le Guin - The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas
Ursula K. Le Guin - Ile Forest
Ursula K. Le Guin - The Word for World Is Forest
Ursula K. Le Guin - The Day Before the Revolution
Starhawk - The Fifth Sacred Thing
Ursula K. Le Guin - The Dispossessed


On a final note, anarchism is inherently antifascist so consider everything above to fall within that category - but here's a few selections that dive into the concept through historical accounts, personal accounts, and discussion of tactics:
Joshua Curiel - Confronting the Nucleus: Taking Power from Fascists
Shane Burley - Twenty-Five Theses on Fascism
Peter Gelderloos - Fascists are the Tools of the State
William Gillis - How Fascism Will Beat Us || How We Will Beat Fascism
Anonymous - Why We Fought in Charlottesville: A Letter from an Anti-Fascist on the Dangers Ahead
Anonymous - Italy: We Partisans
Cloudbuster - Notes on Anti-Fascist Self-Defense Training: 10 Lessons from the Russian Anti-Fascist Experience
Anonymous - This Is Not a Dialogue: Not Just Free Speech, but Freedom Itself
Gord Hill - The 500 Years of Resistance Comic Book; The Anti-Capitalist Resistance Comic Book; The Antifa Comic Book
Mark Bray - Antifa: The Anti-Fascist Handbook
Shane Burley - Fascism Today: What It Is and How to End It


--------------------


Edited by shivas.wisdom (11/03/21 04:24 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleYellow Pants
Male User Gallery

Registered: 05/14/17
Posts: 1,386
Loc: Flag
Re: Who has some literature about anarchists and antifascists? [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #26934855 - 09/14/20 09:58 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Everyday Anarchy/Practicial Anarchy by Stefan Molyneux is a punishing 1,2 punch.  It changed my whole worldview bro.  Free and brief. 

https://www.freedomain.com/product/everyday-anarchy/

https://www.freedomain.com/product/practical-anarchy/

Granted, he's a full blown capitalist, but his analysis of The State might be helpful. 


Edited by Yellow Pants (09/14/20 10:50 AM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineNonagon Infinity
Mycologist
 User Gallery


Registered: 06/02/20
Posts: 756
Loc: Polygondwanaland
Last seen: 2 years, 11 months
Re: Who has some literature about anarchists and antifascists? [Re: Yellow Pants] * 1
    #26935087 - 09/14/20 11:46 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Yellow Pants said:
Granted, he's a full blown capitalist



He's also a "race realist", which is a nice way of saying that he's a racist. I'd tread very carefully with Molyneux's work. The guy consistently advocates for white nationalism.


--------------------
Nonagon Infinity Opens the Door


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineNonagon Infinity
Mycologist
 User Gallery


Registered: 06/02/20
Posts: 756
Loc: Polygondwanaland
Last seen: 2 years, 11 months
Re: Who has some literature about anarchists and antifascists? [Re: shivas.wisdom] * 1
    #26935097 - 09/14/20 11:50 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Thank you so much, shivas.wisdom, this is such a great list.


--------------------
Nonagon Infinity Opens the Door


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleYellow Pants
Male User Gallery

Registered: 05/14/17
Posts: 1,386
Loc: Flag
Re: Who has some literature about anarchists and antifascists? [Re: Nonagon Infinity]
    #26935117 - 09/14/20 12:00 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Whether he's a "race realist" or not makes no difference to his analysis of The State.  Everyday/Practical Anarchy has nothing to do with race whatsoever despite what his doubters would enjoy.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineshivas.wisdom
בּ
 User Gallery

Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 02/19/09
Posts: 13,428
Loc: Turtle Island
Last seen: 10 hours, 44 minutes
Re: Who has some literature about anarchists and antifascists? [Re: Nonagon Infinity]
    #26935186 - 09/14/20 12:53 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Nonagon Infinity said:
Quote:

Yellow Pants said:
Granted, he's a full blown capitalist



He's also a "race realist", which is a nice way of saying that he's a racist. I'd tread very carefully with Molyneux's work. The guy consistently advocates for white nationalism.



Yeah I have to emphatically agree here - the guy openly supports the idea that humanity is not a single species, and that the 'white subspecies' must protect itself from the great replacement.

Beyond that, his anarchist critique is obviously insufficient - given that it's only applied to the state while he continues to openly endorse capitalism. Where the few, the privileged, control the conditions of existence, it's not possible for most individuals to truly determine their existence on their own terms. Individuality can only flourish where equality of access to the conditions of existence is the social reality. The basic relationship structure of capitalism is the coercion of workers into exploitative contracts in order to access these conditions of existence. It makes no difference whether the authority is derived through constitution or currency; the nature of authority remains the same.

If someone is inconsistently applying their critique, I assume that they are just trying to shift the balance of power to an authority more favourable to them, rather than attack the concept directly. Stephen is one of these people.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleYellow Pants
Male User Gallery

Registered: 05/14/17
Posts: 1,386
Loc: Flag
Re: Who has some literature about anarchists and antifascists? [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #26935268 - 09/14/20 02:00 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

shivas.wisdom said:
If someone is inconsistently applying their critique, I assume that they are just trying to shift the balance of power to an authority more favourable to them, rather than attack the concept directly. Stephen is one of these people.




This is a great point.  Yet I wouldn't the baby out with the bathwater.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleAsante
Mage
Male User Gallery

Registered: 02/06/02
Posts: 86,795
Re: Who has some literature about anarchists and antifascists? [Re: Yellow Pants]
    #26935308 - 09/14/20 02:23 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Yellow Pants said:
Quote:

shivas.wisdom said:
If someone is inconsistently applying their critique, I assume that they are just trying to shift the balance of power to an authority more favourable to them, rather than attack the concept directly. Stephen is one of these people.




This is a great point.  Yet I wouldn't the baby out with the bathwater.





Stefan Molyneux would, if the baby were black.


--------------------
Omnicyclion.org
higher knowledge starts here


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleYellow Pants
Male User Gallery

Registered: 05/14/17
Posts: 1,386
Loc: Flag
Re: Who has some literature about anarchists and antifascists? [Re: Asante]
    #26935362 - 09/14/20 03:04 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

His "white nationalism" stems from the assumption of The State which he is opposed to.  It's all a secondary analysis which I guess he took very far because it won him followers and coin.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineFalcon91Wolvrn03
Stranger
Male User Gallery

Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 03/16/05
Posts: 32,557
Loc: California, US Flag
Last seen: 4 months, 21 days
Re: Who has some literature about anarchists and antifascists? [Re: Nonagon Infinity]
    #26935412 - 09/14/20 03:31 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Nonagon Infinity said:
I'd tread very carefully with Molyneux's work. The guy consistently advocates for white nationalism.



His logic has been torn apart many times in this forum.


--------------------
I am in a minority on the shroomery, as I frequently defend the opposing side when they have a point about something or when my side make believes something about them.  I also attack my side if I think they're wrong.  People here get very confused by that and think it means I prefer the other side.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: 1

Shop: PhytoExtractum Buy Bali Kratom Powder, Maeng Da Thai Kratom Leaf Powder   Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order   Kraken Kratom Red Vein Kratom


Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* Recipes For Disaster an Anarchist Cookbook, by Crimethinc al_uh_looyah 2,911 10 03/03/07 05:55 PM
by Turn
* Anarchists being harrased y police/ May Day Riots PGF 1,561 3 06/04/02 08:49 AM
by hongomon
* The Reluctant Anarchist Evolving 2,014 17 06/12/04 09:27 PM
by RandalFlagg
* An Ontological Anarchists critique of traditional activism and reality? Mystic_Cannibal 1,542 9 01/06/08 09:55 PM
by zorbman
* God is an Anarchist.
( 1 2 all )
Baby_Hitler 4,823 33 07/21/05 01:12 PM
by rogue_pixie
* America. the threat to its self...
( 1 2 all )
GabbaDjS 3,955 29 02/21/02 08:50 AM
by Phred
* You May Already Be An Anarchist.
( 1 2 3 all )
FutureExPatriot 5,001 45 10/16/02 01:16 AM
by zeronio
* An Anarchistic Socialistic Democratic Society
( 1 2 3 4 all )
Teotzlcoatl 6,961 63 07/27/07 03:57 PM
by Teotzlcoatl

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: Enlil, ballsalsa
537 topic views. 2 members, 3 guests and 7 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2024 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.029 seconds spending 0.007 seconds on 14 queries.