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Has the shroom experience shifted your political views? In which direction?
    #26932275 - 09/12/20 05:53 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

The mushroom experience seems pretty profound and significant for many people.  I'm curious as to what impact it has on political views. Does opening yourself up to a new mode of thinking change your views, and in what way? 

Intensify existing beliefs? Allow new perspectives?
Using shrooms has shifted my economic views
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Re: Has the shroom experience shifted your political views? In which direction? [Re: flashbulbgulf]
    #26933279 - 09/13/20 11:41 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I don’t think it’s as simple as more taxes.

Is anyone tripping balls thinking of the EITC or VAT?


I would say shrooms probably led me to have more empathy, which I’d wager is almost exclusively considered a move to the left.


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Re: Has the shroom experience shifted your political views? In which direction? [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #26933313 - 09/13/20 12:00 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Combated alot of tribalism and American exceptionalism during most experiences.


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Re: Has the shroom experience shifted your political views? In which direction? [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #26933826 - 09/13/20 05:24 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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The Ecstatic said:
I don’t think it’s as simple as more taxes.

Is anyone tripping balls thinking of the EITC or VAT?


I would say shrooms probably led me to have more empathy, which I’d wager is almost exclusively considered a move to the left.




Yes, I agree it's probably a lot more complex than more/less tax. I guess I was trying for a short neutral description.

The increase in empathy that seems to be a common feature of experiences would seem to line up with a move to the 'left'

One way of understanding left vs right is the size of a person's 'circle of caring'.  People to the right might be seen to care very deeply about their family and community, but tend to feel less responsible for anyone outside that circle.

The shroom experience seems (to me at least) to push that circle right out to include pretty much the whole universe, which would line up more with a classically 'left' way of being.


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Re: Has the shroom experience shifted your political views? In which direction? [Re: flashbulbgulf]
    #26933866 - 09/13/20 05:41 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Why would shrooms change what I believe in politically?


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Re: Has the shroom experience shifted your political views? In which direction? [Re: Patlal] * 1
    #26933882 - 09/13/20 05:48 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Why would shrooms change what I believe in politically?





Shrooms make you gay, maybe they make you a fiscal conservative too.


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Re: Has the shroom experience shifted your political views? In which direction? [Re: Asante]
    #26934169 - 09/13/20 08:47 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I almost went full ancap because of shrooms. Thankfully, I realized it was the result of drugs, and quickly rethought my position.


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Re: Has the shroom experience shifted your political views? In which direction? [Re: Kryptos]
    #26935211 - 09/14/20 01:20 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I was doing psychedelics in my teens - long before I had much care for, or conceptualization of, our economic reality - because of this, there was never really any opportunity for psychedelics to shift my economic political views.

On the other hand, it took just one experience of oneness with existence for my social views to immediately shift - even as a teen. I was still young and immature, but the most obvious shift was the realization that teasing or hurting other people harms me too - so I stopped. Still too young for fully formulated social political views, but there was a significant shift nonetheless that has continued to influence my social political views.


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Re: Has the shroom experience shifted your political views? In which direction? [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #26935230 - 09/14/20 01:32 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I was reading Snow Crash around the time of my first foray into shrooms, and I thought the ancap system was interesting. Also my first foray into anarchist thinking. Admittedly, probably not the best introduction.

My high school debate coach quickly set me straight when I started talking about ancap theory.


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Re: Has the shroom experience shifted your political views? In which direction? [Re: Kryptos]
    #26935993 - 09/14/20 09:43 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Kryptos said:
I was reading Snow Crash around the time of my first foray into shrooms, and I thought the ancap system was interesting. Also my first foray into anarchist thinking. Admittedly, probably not the best introduction.

My high school debate coach quickly set me straight when I started talking about ancap theory.




It's good to have those people around. I think being online we tend to get diverted further down the rabbit hole rather than getting a grounded opinion.

If you also like reading non-fiction I would recommend 'The Better Angels of Our Nature: Why Violence Has Declined by Steven Pinker.  It gave me a new perspective on the important effect of a large state that I had not appreciated.


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Re: Has the shroom experience shifted your political views? In which direction? [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #26936001 - 09/14/20 09:45 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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shivas.wisdom said:
I was doing psychedelics in my teens - long before I had much care for, or conceptualization of, our economic reality - because of this, there was never really any opportunity for psychedelics to shift my economic political views.

On the other hand, it took just one experience of oneness with existence for my social views to immediately shift - even as a teen. I was still young and immature, but the most obvious shift was the realization that teasing or hurting other people harms me too - so I stopped. Still too young for fully formulated social political views, but there was a significant shift nonetheless that has continued to influence my social political views.




Yes, that kind of lines up with my experience to the degree that I find it hard to imagine someone doing shrooms could remain uncaring about people. 

I'm interested in the effect the experience has on someone with a strong conservative outlook.


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Re: Has the shroom experience shifted your political views? In which direction? [Re: flashbulbgulf]
    #26936291 - 09/15/20 02:25 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

mushrooms always bring to the same realization that Family and Love is key and God wants us to realize that we are 100% capable of insuring our own surivial.


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Re: Has the shroom experience shifted your political views? In which direction? [Re: 1uptoadstool]
    #26936387 - 09/15/20 05:14 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I have seen the pure base selfishness of humanity when tripping. Stealing, manipulation of weaker people, exclusion and hate, the true human nature. On psychedelics the human indecency we are conditioned to ignore is laid bare and made clear. I have watched the happy hippie's inner demon slip out as he manipulates, abuses and controls his old lady. I have seen the deperation on the old lady's eyes, unable to imagine existing on her own and submitting to the abusw. I have seen the devilish joy of a person winning a physical fight and basking in the pain of the vanquished. I have seen the disregard and self indulgence of the thief unconcerned about the victim, only greedily grabbing more.

All of this sadly shattered the belief I used to hold that humanity could ever have a utopian socialist, marxist or communist existence. These experiences have cemented in me the belief that altruism is the exception and only a system built on competitive greed, i.e. capitalism, is compatible with human nature.

In many ways this freed me from the cycle of broken expectations and let downs, expecting someone to come through because people are good by nature. It has also taught me to appreciate the truly kind acts that occur as the exceptions to the rule that they are and not something to expect.

Maybe it is the years I spent tripping at shows instead of out in the woods with a small group of friends that soured me. Maybe if I had never tripped face on shakedown and seen what goes down I would nt have reached this conclusion :shrug:

On the positive side the psychedelic experience taught me that we are all equally human. I dont need to be gay to understand and accept gay people because I recognize them as fellow human beings first. I recognize the anxiety and discomfort in others as the same anxiety and discomfort I have felt and try to offer the comfort I have felt knowing I was not alone in feeling that way. I have learned that love between 2 people or a small unit is universal, indescribable and wonderful.

Life and tripping has made me an economic conservative and a social liberal.


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Re: Has the shroom experience shifted your political views? In which direction? [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
    #26936394 - 09/15/20 05:32 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I love to treat friends to trips "its on me" as opposted to hoard all the trips for myself and charge interest so I guess its clear what shrooms make me:



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Re: Has the shroom experience shifted your political views? In which direction? [Re: Asante]
    #26936401 - 09/15/20 05:39 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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I love to treat friends to trips "its on me" as opposted to hoard all the trips for myself and charge interest so I guess its clear what shrooms make me:




I refuse to accept money in exchange for pyschedelics too, doesnt make me or you a communist, asante.

I encourage and would appreciate a more thoughtful reply about human nature and how you see it.


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Re: Has the shroom experience shifted your political views? In which direction? [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
    #26936403 - 09/15/20 05:41 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

A trip can alter the course of a person's lifr. Its a very meaningful gift.


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Re: Has the shroom experience shifted your political views? In which direction? [Re: 1uptoadstool]
    #26937250 - 09/15/20 02:42 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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mushrooms always bring to the same realization that Family and Love is key and God wants us to realize that we are 100% capable of insuring our own surivial.




Thanks, that's a good perspective. You reckon that family and love is most key when it applies to people we actually know and have a relationship? That diluting that to apply to 'everyone' loses something?


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Re: Has the shroom experience shifted your political views? In which direction? [Re: Asante] * 1
    #26937255 - 09/15/20 02:44 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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A trip can alter the course of a person's lifr. Its a very meaningful gift.




Yes. It can be such a big experience that it seems a little odd to swap it for currency!


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Re: Has the shroom experience shifted your political views? In which direction? [Re: flashbulbgulf]
    #26937356 - 09/15/20 03:21 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

flashbulbgulf said:
Quote:

Asante said:
A trip can alter the course of a person's lifr. Its a very meaningful gift.




Yes. It can be such a big experience that it seems a little odd to swap it for currency!




Exactly that.

Its like a buddha statue: You shouldnt buy it, it should be gifted you.


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