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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: The Influence] 2
#26926626 - 09/09/20 03:56 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: People always revert to how many blacks kill each other like there's literally nothing we can do about racism and the police problem.
Blacks kill blacks so I think it's ok that the law enforcement society treats them differently 
Thats not at all what I said. Simply put if their fucking lives mattered so much to each other than why the fuck do they kill each other more than anyone else?
My point is maybe they should stop slaughtering each other for some street cred or for hot new lyrics for a drill rap song. Before they start pointing the finger elsewhere.
I hope Derek Chauvin makes it to general population someday. That will be justice served.
I do believe in police reform.
I dont believe in terrorizing neighborhoods and businesses to try and obtain that reform.
Maybe if society changes more black people will be out of poverty and all that goes with that. Education, nourishment, family, and much more suffer because of a different starting point for most people of color. Yes we can find that almost any background of people now has had individuals who became successful. Biggots use that point and conveniently leave out the fact that it's the exception to the norm when someone who grew up without parents and in an impoverished community thrives in adulthood.
So maybe the protests wouldn't turn into reeeee riots but our society prides itself on keeping a class system where the poor are portrayed as having some sort of contagious disease. In a way it's today's segregation. There's different break rooms for the sweat shop so the suits don't even have to see them. We cut those people off. Often the biggest charity and help that america's poor receive comes from people that are usually not well off themselves. America gave some small proportion of people so few tools that going reeeeee is pretty much all they can do.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: bodhisatta]
#26926636 - 09/09/20 04:00 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Im more concerned about the people going reeeeeee in the streets that are well off. Prayer keepers, et.al.
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Nonagon Infinity
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? *DELETED* [Re: The Influence] 2
#26926662 - 09/09/20 04:14 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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The Influence said: I used to hate cops. They always were putting me in jail. Talking shit the whole time. But then one day I realized I was being a piece of shit and quit doing that. They leave me alone now.
According to the criminal justice system in most of the US, possessing, cultivating, and selling psilocybin mushrooms falls under the umbrella of "being a piece of shit". Judging by your membership in this forum, I'm guessing you don't agree with that.
The American police enforce unjust laws using military violence. That's indefensible.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: bodhisatta]
#26926668 - 09/09/20 04:17 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I just dont see it the same as you I guess. I grew up in a ghetto in Racine. Literally the only white family on the block. I was there because my parents didnt try any harder. I also got to experience racism first hand. 2 kids tried to cut my throat on the school bus with scissors. Not because I did something to them, cause I was a honky.
I have a hard time seeing how they are stuck in that situation these days. I also have a hard time seeing any of them trying to better themselves and being shot down.
Btw my first born child is half black. I have full custody of her now because her mom thought she could quit job after job and not have electricity when she did have a place. I fought for the past 6 years and have paid well over $9000 in attorney fees to come to this conclusion. They didnt want to let me have her no matter how much of a bum her mom was. It was after years of the same shit they finally awarded full custody to me. This was just months ago....and you know what this dumb bitch said after she lost? "It's cause im black" and george floyd here we go" with her hand in the air.
Had nothing to do with her ethnicity or george floyd. She is a bum excuse for a mother! But im sure it has to do with my white privelage.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? *DELETED* [Re: Nonagon Infinity]
#26926677 - 09/09/20 04:21 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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The Influence said: I used to hate cops. They always were putting me in jail. Talking shit the whole time. But then one day I realized I was being a piece of shit and quit doing that. They leave me alone now.
According to the criminal justice system in most of the US, possessing, cultivating, and selling psilocybin mushrooms falls under the umbrella of "being a piece of shit". Judging by your membership in this forum, I'm guessing you don't agree with that.
The American police enforce unjust laws using military violence. That's indefensible.
I do not agree with it. I also havent cultivated anything in years. Now I just hang around for this friendly banter...
Though I have to say if I ever went to jail for cultivating something illegal; I knew that was a possibility and wouldnt expect anyone to rally for me. Ive gone to jail more times than the average man, never once resisted arrest.
Again, Im not defending the cops, just saying there is a lot more to this picture than black and white (pun intended)
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: MadMuncher]
#26926681 - 09/09/20 04:23 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Eminence said: I'm laughing at the absurdities you've been posting, like the completely unfounded claims about supporters of Trump, the registered Republican who's had the most support from black people since probably Lincoln, wanting to exterminate entire races (Ecstatic also said this), which led me to question your mental health.
i didnt say that
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Eminence said: Antifa are Nazis
white republicans are Nazis because they idolize Krump, who's known to view and treat black and brown people as less-human and skew tragedy into propaganda to suit his agenda. and also because they are fucking white supremacist
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: koods]
#26926690 - 09/09/20 04:26 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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koods said: Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.
I’m good to go too
i thought i failed that part. they did 10 words i could only get like 5 or 6. turns out that's pretty normal.
apple, bubble, pencil, burger.... um.... fuck
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Nonagon Infinity
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? *DELETED* [Re: The Influence] 1
#26926709 - 09/09/20 04:36 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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The Influence said: I do not agree with it. I also havent cultivated anything in years. Now I just hang around for this friendly banter...
Though I have to say if I ever went to jail for cultivating something illegal; I knew that was a possibility and wouldnt expect anyone to rally for me. Ive gone to jail more times than the average man, never once resisted arrest.
Again, Im not defending the cops, just saying there is a lot more to this picture than black and white (pun intended)
It's interesting that you mentioned the police "left you alone" after you stopped "being a piece of shit". A lot of the reason people are protesting is because not everyone has that experience with the police, and that's not fair. Some of the laws in America aren't just laws, so if "not being a piece of shit" means obeying unjust laws, then that's not a just system. Furthermore, there are plenty of people (disproportionately black, mind you, which is why the protests are racially motivated) who are not "being a piece of shit" and are still treated unfairly by the police.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? *DELETED* [Re: Nonagon Infinity]
#26926743 - 09/09/20 04:59 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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The Influence said: I do not agree with it. I also havent cultivated anything in years. Now I just hang around for this friendly banter...
Though I have to say if I ever went to jail for cultivating something illegal; I knew that was a possibility and wouldnt expect anyone to rally for me. Ive gone to jail more times than the average man, never once resisted arrest.
Again, Im not defending the cops, just saying there is a lot more to this picture than black and white (pun intended)
It's interesting that you mentioned the police "left you alone" after you stopped "being a piece of shit". A lot of the reason people are protesting is because not everyone has that experience with the police, and that's not fair. Some of the laws in America aren't just laws, so if "not being a piece of shit" means obeying unjust laws, then that's not a just system. Furthermore, there are plenty of people (disproportionately black, mind you, which is why the protests are racially motivated) who are not "being a piece of shit" and are still treated unfairly by the police.
First off thank you for debating respectfully. Ones message is more well recieved without insults attached.
I have to point out that I called myself a piece of shit...I can see how you can draw the conclusion that I was referncing all law breakers.
I refer to me being a piece of shit because I went to prison the first time for burglary. I entered a locked business that wasnt mine and took things that werent mine. I was being a piece of shit.
Ok out of all the black people that have been killed at the hands of law enforcement....how many were not guilty of or being charged for a crime? How many did not resist arrest? Breonna Taylor is the only one I can think of and her then boyfriend popped a shot at the cops. They will definitely return fire no matter what color the shooter is.
If people want to fight back against the police I am for it, but what the fuck does looting a target have to do with it? Or burning buildings down?
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? *DELETED* [Re: The Influence]
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? *DELETED* [Re: Kwyjibo]
#26926909 - 09/09/20 06:23 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thats 1 for 2 there kryptos and the 1 didnt die so thats .5 out of 2.
Fair enough, thanks for providing those links. But if you want to say all lives matter and people stopped rioting and looting id be on that side of the fence.
Those are my pickles with this "movement"
And then with the ninja edit...touche
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? *DELETED* [Re: The Influence]
#26926946 - 09/09/20 06:41 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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thats not kryptos and you'd find a lot more if you looked or read the entire thread 
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: MadMuncher]
#26926963 - 09/09/20 06:48 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: bodhisatta]
#26927190 - 09/09/20 09:12 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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MadMuncher said: ? im not "from the left". you're re-derailing the thread again. why dont i get to advocate death its just not fair. everybody else gets to do it except nazis
Derailing the thread again? How was I doing it before? Was it my post about us all getting along if werent for the media and government dividing us?
No the only people that have got to call for the murder of other people and not get banned is people from the left...or the ones preaching left wing ideologies.
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MadMuncher said: ? im not "from the left". you're re-derailing the thread again. why dont i get to advocate death its just not fair. everybody else gets to do it except nazis
Derailing the thread again? How was I doing it before? Was it my post about us all getting along if werent for the media and government dividing us?
No the only people that have got to call for the murder of other people and not get banned is people from the left...or the ones preaching left wing ideologies.
Make a list of those posts, from leftists, and I'll review them
Where do we checkbox these categories on oir accounts? Id like to be a lighty. (Leftist-righty) Btw your shroom growing how-tos are the bomb. I got a 10lb dried bag in my closet just waiting for a good time.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? *DELETED* [Re: The Influence]
#26927272 - 09/09/20 10:19 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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The Influence said: First off thank you for debating respectfully. Ones message is more well recieved without insults attached.
No problem. We might not agree on anything, but I still respect you as a human.
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The Influence said: I have to point out that I called myself a piece of shit...I can see how you can draw the conclusion that I was referncing all law breakers.
I refer to me being a piece of shit because I went to prison the first time for burglary. I entered a locked business that wasnt mine and took things that werent mine. I was being a piece of shit.
Fair enough. If you really were being a piece of shit, then you were. My point that the police enforce unjust laws still stands independently of that.
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The Influence said: Ok out of all the black people that have been killed at the hands of law enforcement....how many were not guilty of or being charged for a crime? How many did not resist arrest? Breonna Taylor is the only one I can think of and her then boyfriend popped a shot at the cops. They will definitely return fire no matter what color the shooter is.
Without any reference to race, do you think it's a problem that the police respond to nonviolent crime with gunfire in the first place? George Floyd wasn't an innocent man. He had a criminal record, and he was being placed under arrest for using counterfeit money in the moments leading up to his death. Did that situation justify lethal force, though?
Now, going back to the race issue, there are other examples of innocent black people other than Breonna Taylor, as other commenters above me have shown you, and there are many more documented cases of innocent black victims of police violence than there are innocent white victims of police violence. I don't think it's up for debate whether or not there is a racial element to this. Race is clearly a factor when it comes to police violence.
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The Influence said: If people want to fight back against the police I am for it, but what the fuck does looting a target have to do with it? Or burning buildings down?
I think that looting a Target is a shitty thing to do. Violence doesn't solve any problems: violence IS the problem. It sucks that some idiots decided to destroy buildings and steal things, but I think it's even more fucked up that the police enforce unjust laws through violent means all across the country. You're absolutely right: what the fuck does looting have to do with police violence? We should focus on a more organized method of ending police violence.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? *DELETED* [Re: Nonagon Infinity]
#26927400 - 09/10/20 12:31 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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BLM is not responsible for the behavior of everyone on the street. Rioting existed long before BLM, and in fact previous outbreaks of looting and vandalism have been much worse and extensive. If anything that kind of activity has been tempered. But I do think that kind of behavior is at least understandable and the anger understandable, compared to say rioting after you lose a football game or when your favorite coach has to resign because he looked the other way as a pedophile who worked for him raped children.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? *DELETED* [Re: Nonagon Infinity]
#26927678 - 09/10/20 06:20 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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The Influence said: First off thank you for debating respectfully. Ones message is more well recieved without insults attached.
No problem. We might not agree on anything, but I still respect you as a human.
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The Influence said: I have to point out that I called myself a piece of shit...I can see how you can draw the conclusion that I was referncing all law breakers.
I refer to me being a piece of shit because I went to prison the first time for burglary. I entered a locked business that wasnt mine and took things that werent mine. I was being a piece of shit.
Fair enough. If you really were being a piece of shit, then you were. My point that the police enforce unjust laws still stands independently of that.
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The Influence said: Ok out of all the black people that have been killed at the hands of law enforcement....how many were not guilty of or being charged for a crime? How many did not resist arrest? Breonna Taylor is the only one I can think of and her then boyfriend popped a shot at the cops. They will definitely return fire no matter what color the shooter is.
Without any reference to race, do you think it's a problem that the police respond to nonviolent crime with gunfire in the first place? George Floyd wasn't an innocent man. He had a criminal record, and he was being placed under arrest for using counterfeit money in the moments leading up to his death. Did that situation justify lethal force, though?
Now, going back to the race issue, there are other examples of innocent black people other than Breonna Taylor, as other commenters above me have shown you, and there are many more documented cases of innocent black victims of police violence than there are innocent white victims of police violence. I don't think it's up for debate whether or not there is a racial element to this. Race is clearly a factor when it comes to police violence.
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The Influence said: If people want to fight back against the police I am for it, but what the fuck does looting a target have to do with it? Or burning buildings down?
I think that looting a Target is a shitty thing to do. Violence doesn't solve any problems: violence IS the problem. It sucks that some idiots decided to destroy buildings and steal things, but I think it's even more fucked up that the police enforce unjust laws through violent means all across the country. You're absolutely right: what the fuck does looting have to do with police violence? We should focus on a more organized method of ending police violence.
As far as we can tell, it was allegedly counterfeit money. And I don't think that's why he was placed under arrest. If it was I think we would know by now if the money was counterfeit. I'm not sure why he was placed under arrest, but I'm thinking it was because he was acting too F'ing weird.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? *DELETED* [Re: Brian Jones]
#26927874 - 09/10/20 09:14 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Actually in the video the cop clearly states that floyd was being arrested for forgery.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? *DELETED* [Re: natedawgnow]
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natedawgnow said: Actually in the video the cop clearly states that floyd was being arrested for forgery.
Which he never did, the cop was obviously searching for a charge since they escalated the whole thing.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? *DELETED* [Re: Brian Jones]
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Brian Jones said: As far as we can tell, it was allegedly counterfeit money. And I don't think that's why he was placed under arrest. If it was I think we would know by now if the money was counterfeit. I'm not sure why he was placed under arrest, but I'm thinking it was because he was acting too F'ing weird.
Acting weird is not justification for use of lethal force, in my opinion.
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