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Need some advice on my next step, might have messed up
#26927674 - 09/10/20 06:17 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hi! Long time lurker here. This time I've done a popcorn and coir tek, which I've previously only had success with. This time was no different; everything was going splendidly. Colonization went ridiculously fast and when pinning started, I waited 3 days (maybe too short?) and introduced light and FAE. The room the monotub was in is quite warm, around 27-30C, but dark so I had four IKEA type LED grow lights hanging a few cm above the monotub. This definitely upped the temperature and thinking that maybe got too hot in there? Anyway, things went very quickly from when the first mushrooms appeared. Before I knew it, they reached maturity and exploded with spores. So now large areas of the mycelium are purple. I've read that this is bad as it hinders pinning. True/False? What was weird is that none of the first fruits were in the center of the tub, they were closer to the edges. A couple days later, I noticed the mycelium had become...different. Not sure how to describe it. Somewhat like marshmallow, but slightly harder and shiny. Almost cripsy. There are good amounts of moisture inside the tub, but I don't have a hygrometer to check humidity.
I'm worried the temperatures in there were too high so I've since moved the grow to a different room I've used before where the temperature is mostly 22-25C during the day and removed two of the grow lamps. I now alternate with giving it natural light as there's definitely enough of it there. I've also started misting/spraying a couple times a day so that the mycelium is glistening. Fruit is still coming, but it is only at the extreme edges and it really likes to force its way up along the sides separating the coir from the black plastic bag I have in the bottom of the tube. Almost like the mushrooms were trying to escape from the harsh conditions. This tells me that temperatures were probably too high which also started drying things out. Thoughts? Is there any coming back from this? Is it possible to rake or tear up the top layer, like say a few cm's deep, and put it back into colonization to try again? Or should I just be patient and continue to spray and pray watching that it doesn't get too hot in there?
Edit: Forgot to mention the strain is Mazatapec and uploaded some photos
  
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Re: Need some advice on my next step, might have messed up [Re: Deep Mushroom Blue]
#26927701 - 09/10/20 06:44 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Possibly the surface got matted from drying out a few times, so pins will have a hard time to push through. 22-25° is definitely better. Spore shots shouldn`t be an issue. Of course pics would tell a bit more 
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Re: Need some advice on my next step, might have messed up [Re: Goatrider]
#26927740 - 09/10/20 07:16 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Done!
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Re: Need some advice on my next step, might have messed up [Re: Deep Mushroom Blue]
#26927760 - 09/10/20 07:30 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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See what you can get out of that flush. I had once such a matted surface, i just flipped it over for another flush. That surface conditions were terrible, so the shrooms decided to hide from there  I`m not quite sure about the green spot in the 2nd pic.
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Re: Need some advice on my next step, might have messed up [Re: Goatrider]
#26927906 - 09/10/20 09:35 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Goatrider said: See what you can get out of that flush. I had once such a matted surface, i just flipped it over for another flush. That surface conditions were terrible, so the shrooms decided to hide from there  I`m not quite sure about the green spot in the 2nd pic.

Looks like trich in the second picture. I'd say your less than a week from the green mean showing itself everywhere.
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Re: Need some advice on my next step, might have messed up [Re: Spirit-Crusher]
#26929292 - 09/11/20 02:28 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Really? Huh. In all these years, I've never had contamination. Don't mean that in a boastful way either.
On closer inspection, the green spot is a bluish bruising on the stump of a mushroom I picked.
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Re: Need some advice on my next step, might have messed up [Re: Deep Mushroom Blue]
#26929293 - 09/11/20 02:29 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I guessed that 
Next time you better mention it, before people get trichmania here
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Re: Need some advice on my next step, might have messed up [Re: Goatrider]
#26929298 - 09/11/20 02:35 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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 I'll be sure to do that 
Yeah, I get now that the previous room was too hot. Great for colonization, but not for fruiting. I also went overkill on the lamps running all day and all night. Stupid. 
So what do you think my optimal next move should be? See what I can get out of this flush and then maybe cut the coir up into sections to maximize surface area and expose the edges where mushrooms actually are growing?
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Re: Need some advice on my next step, might have messed up [Re: Deep Mushroom Blue]
#26929302 - 09/11/20 02:45 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Personally i wouldn`t do that, this may lead to quick contams. I`d just harvest and let it do it`s own, just mist after harvest and look what it does. Next time you`ll do better for sure, as you know about the issues. You don`t need to carry the tubs around, the times we "incubated" our tubs for colonizing are definitely over. Just put into fruiting conditions from the start, and with moisture content on spot you may just return for harvest. Cubes are really that easy 
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Re: Need some advice on my next step, might have messed up [Re: Goatrider]
#26929347 - 09/11/20 04:28 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Interesting. I'm still doing things based on knowledge from 10 years back. Need to update it I guess. What's the optimal temperature then from start to finish? Still 24 C? I can regulate conditions pretty easily in that one room. Unless there's a summer heatwave. And what about light? I have the bulbs as well as plenty of natural light. Used to cover my boxes of perlite and cakes with LED strips in a dark room at 23-24 C, which seemed to work well for B+ cubensis. Mazatapec is a little more picky, but so worth it.
How would you then make it easier to get at the mushrooms growing in against the sides of the tub? There's a LOT of activity there. Cut a small section and flip it? Or let it do its thing and just carefully harvest as they become mature?
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Re: Need some advice on my next step, might have messed up [Re: Deep Mushroom Blue]
#26929402 - 09/11/20 05:39 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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With 24°C your fine. As ambient light is enough, a 12/12 lighting cycle will lead to a better pinset and more even growth, when introduced at primordia stage. Watch out not to build a heat source with the lights, remember you`ll have a few degrees up in your tubs as myc forms.
I wouldn`t make changes for now. Just harvest off til the end. Next time you should apply a liner to prevent sidepins. Substrate always shrinks and makes gaps for microclimate. As the liner gets attached to the substrate, it will shrink with it, not allowing gaps for microclimate. This, and tamping the sides slightly down, and you shouldn`t see them anymore
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Re: Need some advice on my next step, might have messed up [Re: Deep Mushroom Blue]
#26929476 - 09/11/20 07:22 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ah, I used a black plastic bag as a liner which did stick to the substrate, but didn't shrink with it for some reason. It's quite thin so I'd think that it would have worked well. Hmmmm. Now that I think about it, might actually be some kind of recycled bioplastic material instead. That's all the rage these days. What do you use for a liner?
You can see the bag here, along with some ridiculous pinning!
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Re: Need some advice on my next step, might have messed up [Re: Deep Mushroom Blue]
#26929657 - 09/11/20 09:54 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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If it`s too thin the mycelium may rip through it. It should be thick material. Perhaps you want to have a look here:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26874924
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Re: Need some advice on my next step, might have messed up [Re: Goatrider]
#26934879 - 09/14/20 10:04 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Cheers! I found where most of the first flush was hiding 
I have never experienced this before:
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