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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse's official initial defense statement. [Re: koods]
#26926695 - 09/09/20 04:29 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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koods said: The problem is the law is pretty clear and the kid is lucky Wisconsin doesn’t have the death penalty.
What goes around comes around.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse's official initial defense statement. [Re: koods]
#26926698 - 09/09/20 04:31 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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1234go said: I'm just having trouble making sense of how so many people can get caught up in this left/right nonsense, and eventually kill over it.
Kyle's classmates even mentioned that he's likely to shoot a bunch of people one day, and enjoyed "triggering the libtards." Rittenhouse wanted to kill someone that night.
Why would somebody with murderous intentions be helping injured ‘protestors’?
You have made several assertions with no evidence. The self defense stance is pretty solid. Plenty of video evidence to back it up.
Why would someone with the intention to help injured protesters run away from someone who just got shot five times?
Good question koods. What would you do if a mob was chasing you down?
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse's official initial defense statement. [Re: 1234go] 1
#26926707 - 09/09/20 04:34 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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From the footage I've seen Rittenhouse seems more like a naive kid than anything. He made some stupid choices and found himself in a situation where he could either take a beating or start blasting.
Rosenbaum, on the other hand, gives the impression that he was looking for a fight that night. See the "shoot me, nigga" video. Rittenhouse appears in the same video (masked) and I don't see him responding to Rosenbaum's provocations with the same type of "looking for a fight" energy whatsoever.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse's official initial defense statement. [Re: psi]
#26926720 - 09/09/20 04:39 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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psi said: Rittenhouse appears in the same video (masked) and I don't see him responding to Rosenbaum's provocations with the same type of "looking for a fight" energy whatsoever.
Sounds like a true psychopath.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse's official initial defense statement. [Re: 1234go]
#26926952 - 09/09/20 06:45 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Are you guessing that from my description?
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse's official initial defense statement. [Re: psi]
#26926974 - 09/09/20 06:56 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I suppose so. It kinda seems like he knew what he could, and couldn't do. That phone call to his friend to boast about killing someone is very telling, in my opinion.
Are you guessing that he's naive, and not fully responsible because he appeared calm in a video?
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse's official initial defense statement. [Re: 1234go]
#26927022 - 09/09/20 07:27 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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No, I wouldn't say that he's not responsible for his actions. But naivete about the full implications of things is to be expected at that age. Rosenbaum was old enough to know better, and all the available video shows him as a driving force behind the confrontation that resulted in his own death. Rosenbaum was pursuing Rittenhouse and by all indications meant him harm.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse's official initial defense statement. [Re: psi] 1
#26927035 - 09/09/20 07:35 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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That’s why you don’t go to a riot with a gun. They need to throw the book at him if for anything else than detering the fools who think you can just do what he’s done.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse's official initial defense statement. [Re: Seriously_trippin] 2
#26927047 - 09/09/20 07:42 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Seriously_trippin said: Yeah pointing to his legal defense is ridiculously narrow sided to whayy happened.
wha?
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Of course they'll claim self defense in a trial. This 17 year old decided to "police" aka be a vigilante a riot with a rifle
Carrying a rifle for self-defense in a hostile environment is not vigilatism.
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, he murdered 2 and mamed 1.
He didn’t murder anybody.
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He decided to be police,judge and executioner.
no, he defended himself from physical harm, and it’s ALL on video.
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He was front row at trump speeches he bought into the rhetoric that these people deserve death.
I have no idea what you’re talking about.
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Its very sick thinking to defend this kid.
Why? It was clearly self-defense.
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He also beat the snot out of some chick before that fpr disagreeing with him was he attacked then?
He attacked a chick that attacked his sister. He got the shit kicked out of him for doing that too, bad.
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He brought a gun there to use on certain people that is domestic terroism.
and he also brought a medical kit and he also cleaned up graphitti. He also patched up injured ‘protesters’ from, what I understand.
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The people that "attacked" him are hero's for taking down an active shooter.
No. They’re people that were associating with rioters and probably rioters themselves.
And they were real scumbags too. You just called a domestic abuser, a pedophile, and a burglar, heroes. I dont have a response to this.
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Yet you find everything you can to blame the victims.
. What victims? Don’t attack people with guns or you get shot, no brainer.
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I speak out against a Trump supporter getting shot why can't you speak out about this murdered.
Because the preponderance of evidence points to the Trump supporter being murdered while the preponderance of evidence points to Kyle defending himself.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse's official initial defense statement. [Re: koods]
#26927050 - 09/09/20 07:43 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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koods said: That’s why you don’t go to a riot with a gun. They need to throw the book at him if for anything else than detering the fools who think you can just do what he’s done.
It's why I don't go to riots at all. But yeah it was very stupid for him to show up to a riot armed with a rifle. And even stupider of Rosenbaum to try to chase him down.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse's official initial defense statement. [Re: koods]
#26927053 - 09/09/20 07:47 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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koods said: That’s why you don’t go to a riot with a gun. They need to throw the book at him if for anything else than detering the fools who think you can just do what he’s done.
I'm taking water balloons to my next riot!!!
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse's official initial defense statement. [Re: koods]
#26927081 - 09/09/20 08:09 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Why? It was clearly self-defense.
The double first degree murder charges say otherwise
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse's official initial defense statement. [Re: psi]
#26927133 - 09/09/20 08:40 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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psi said: No, I wouldn't say that he's not responsible for his actions. But naivete about the full implications of things is to be expected at that age. Rosenbaum was old enough to know better, and all the available video shows him as a driving force behind the confrontation that resulted in his own death. Rosenbaum was pursuing Rittenhouse and by all indications meant him harm.
I suppose I feel like he went there with the intention to get into that kind of situation.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse's official initial defense statement. [Re: koods]
#26927135 - 09/09/20 08:42 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Why? It was clearly self-defense.
The double first degree murder charges say otherwise
Convictions would say more though. DA is an elected position there, correct? Not charging him in the killings would probably have political repercussions. And more acutely public safety repercussions in the near term regarding the riot situation. Even if the state loses on the murder charges, it was still probably a smarter move than being seen to do nothing about it.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse's official initial defense statement. [Re: HamHead]
#26927142 - 09/09/20 08:47 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm taking water balloons to my next riot!!! 
You going to freeze them first?
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#26927145 - 09/09/20 08:49 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm taking water balloons to my next riot!!! 
You going to freeze them first?
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Nope, luke warm, like a baby bottle.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse's official initial defense statement. [Re: HamHead] 2
#26927167 - 09/09/20 08:58 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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A responsible gun owner who believes in self defense doesn't voluntarily go to a place where he will have to use it in self defense. That is the definition if irresponsible gun ownership-- taking a weapon with you to a place you know there will be violence that you have no business being in, and likely have to defend yourself from it. The best self defense was not being there at all.
Everything following that extremely poor judgment call was understandable, he acted in self defense.
Good outcome: everyone is charged with a crime here. Upstanding citizens don't contribute to social unrest.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse's official initial defense statement. [Re: Roflspammer]
#26927183 - 09/09/20 09:08 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Roflspammer said: A responsible gun owner who believes in self defense doesn't voluntarily go to a place where he will have to use it in self defense. That is the definition if irresponsible gun ownership-- taking a weapon with you to a place you know there will be violence that you have no business being in, and likely have to defend yourself from it. The best self defense was not being there at all.
Everything following that extremely poor judgment call was understandable, he acted in self defense.
Good outcome: everyone is charged with a crime here. Upstanding citizens don't contribute to social unrest.
Say this to a marine.
There are people who want to help others.
The rifle was already in Kenosha and was given to him by a friend, to use for self protection, knowing he will be going into unruly territories.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse's official initial defense statement. [Re: Roflspammer]
#26927203 - 09/09/20 09:22 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Roflspammer said: A responsible gun owner who believes in self defense doesn't voluntarily go to a place where he will have to use it in self defense.
Kyle was there because he was asked. If going into a hostile situation like that it’s best to be armed.
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That is the definition if irresponsible gun ownership-- taking a weapon with you to a place you know there will be violence that you have no business being in,
the people that had no business being there were the rioters.
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and likely have to defend yourself from it. The best self defense was not being there at all.
you just gave a free pass to the rioters.
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Everything following that extremely poor judgment call was understandable, he acted in self defense.
they’re coming for you barbera
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Good outcome: everyone is charged with a crime here. Upstanding citizens don't contribute to social unrest.
i disagree.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse's official initial defense statement. [Re: 1234go] 1
#26927206 - 09/09/20 09:26 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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psi said: No, I wouldn't say that he's not responsible for his actions. But naivete about the full implications of things is to be expected at that age. Rosenbaum was old enough to know better, and all the available video shows him as a driving force behind the confrontation that resulted in his own death. Rosenbaum was pursuing Rittenhouse and by all indications meant him harm.
I suppose I feel like he went there with the intention to get into that kind of situation.
There are degrees to it though. Certainly he went to where trouble was and knew that carrying the rifle would provoke a response. And that can end up in a match of who will escalate things the highest.
Rosenbaum IMO either had a death wish or was very confident that Rittenhouse would not fire on him and could be disarmed and beat up. Probably some of both. To me it's another level of looking for trouble, the kind exhibited by belligerent assholes.
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