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Re: DOJ to represent Trump in a personal legal matter [Re: Enlil]
    #26926842 - 09/09/20 05:49 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

You got one example of an honest mistake that I immediately admitted to, and now you claim that's my "modus operandi"?

Let me repost the sentence that got me confused:  "'She’s not my type,' the president said at the time. His remarks prompted Carroll to sue him for defamation."

Can I get a mod to weigh in this?  Oh shit, I'm screwed.  :frown:


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Re: DOJ to represent Trump in a personal legal matter [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26926854 - 09/09/20 05:54 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

And are you now going to claim that Psilynut2 also is not credible for claiming Trump was using tax dollars to defend himself against a rape charge?  That turned out to be incorrect.  People make mistakes.  It's the ones who won't correct themselves after being called out who are not credible in my opinion.


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Re: DOJ to represent Trump in a personal legal matter [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26926857 - 09/09/20 05:55 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

The sentence before that says he says she was lying.

And here you are still defending the false statement as not being your fault. If I didn't say anything,  how many more times would you have said it before fact checking it?


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Re: DOJ to represent Trump in a personal legal matter [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26926864 - 09/09/20 05:58 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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And are you now going to claim that Psilynut2 also is not credible for claiming Trump was using tax dollars to defend himself against a rape charge?  That turned out to be incorrect.  People make mistakes.  It's the ones who won't correct themselves after being called out who are not credible in my opinion.



More dishonesty from you.  Psily didn't say that.


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Re: DOJ to represent Trump in a personal legal matter [Re: Enlil]
    #26926877 - 09/09/20 06:06 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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More dishonesty from you.  Psily didn't say that.




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And here you are still defending the false statement as not being your fault.



I didn't say that "it wasn't my fault", I said "here is the sentence that got me confused".  More dishonesty from you.

(I normally wouldn't have called you dishonest, except you're doing it to me.)

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If I didn't say anything,  how many more times would you have said it before fact checking it?



Probably until somebody corrected me.  I didn't know I was wrong before that.  :shrug:

That's the point of "Political Discussion".


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Re: DOJ to represent Trump in a personal legal matter [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 3
    #26926891 - 09/09/20 06:13 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

And that's why it reflects on your credibility.  Credibility is the degree to which we can believe things that you say.  It's not the same as honesty.  Honesty is a part of it, but not all of it.  Someone can be perfectly honest and not credible.  For instance, someone who has vision problems could not be credible in testifying to what they saw.  In this case, someone who reads one sentence in one article and posts false statements repeatedly as if they were true without further investigation makes him/her not credible.

If you don't think it's important to verify what you say before you say it, that's fine.  Just know that some of us are more careful than that, and for myself, I have to take everything you say with a grain of salt because I know that you aren't that careful about what you post.

As far as your willingness to laugh at a rape victim based on a "fact" that you didn't even verify as accurate, that's more of a moral failing than a credibility failing.



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Re: DOJ to represent Trump in a personal legal matter [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26926915 - 09/09/20 06:28 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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And are you now going to claim that Psilynut2 also is not credible for claiming Trump was using tax dollars to defend himself against a rape charge? 




  I haven’t made any claims or even used the word Trump in either of the two posts I made before this one .
    I said I wonder how conservatives would feel about Obama using tax dollars blah blah blah if we’re he were white .


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Re: DOJ to represent Trump in a personal legal matter [Re: Enlil]
    #26926922 - 09/09/20 06:31 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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And that's why it reflects on your credibility.  Credibility is the degree to which we can believe things that you say.  It's not the same as honesty.  Honesty is a part of it, but not all of it.  Someone can be perfectly honest and not credible.  For instance, someone who has vision problems could not be credible in testifying to what they saw.  In this case, someone who reads one sentence in one article and posts false statements repeatedly as if they were true without further investigation makes him/her not credible.



You said we'd have indictments for Russia Collusion "by the end of 2020".  If we don't, then I guess you're not credible.  This seems like a stupid game you're playing.

(normally I wouldn't say you're not credible, but you're doing it to me)


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Re: DOJ to represent Trump in a personal legal matter [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26926961 - 09/09/20 06:47 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

This is enlils quote that you just linked to
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I'd say by the end of 2020, we should see something




Thats an obvious opinion dude. Sharing an opinion is not the same as stating something as fact, like you did concerning the defamation lawsuit.

You are grasping at straws pretty hard here dude.


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Re: DOJ to represent Trump in a personal legal matter [Re: natedawgnow] * 1
    #26926964 - 09/09/20 06:49 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

If that opinion of enlils doesnt pan out, it in no way effects his credibility.

More dishonest tactics. So glad they are coming to light and youre slowly exposing yourself more and more


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Re: DOJ to represent Trump in a personal legal matter [Re: natedawgnow]
    #26926973 - 09/09/20 06:55 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

It absolutely reflects on my credibility as a fortune teller, sure.


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Re: DOJ to represent Trump in a personal legal matter [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26926979 - 09/09/20 06:58 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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(normally I wouldn't say you're not credible, but you're doing it to me)



Would you rather I not point out to you when I believe you're being dishonest/not credible?  This isn't about me.  I never asked you to point out anything like that in me.


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Re: DOJ to represent Trump in a personal legal matter [Re: Enlil]
    #26926985 - 09/09/20 07:06 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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It absolutely reflects on my credibility as a fortune teller, sure.



Dude, the ridicule I got for pointing out that this whole thing had no evidence was ridiculous.  If you had any credibility, you'd have been on my side saying "we can't know for sure".


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Re: DOJ to represent Trump in a personal legal matter [Re: Enlil]
    #26926987 - 09/09/20 07:07 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Would you rather I not point out to you when I believe you're being dishonest/not credible?



Yes, please point it out.  You've got one post now where I misread an article and corrected myself immediately when this was pointed out to me.

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This isn't about me.  I never asked you to point out anything like that in me.



Of course you don't want it to go both ways.  I'd bring up the chemical attacks in Douma, Bill Browder, Concord...


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Re: DOJ to represent Trump in a personal legal matter [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26926993 - 09/09/20 07:10 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

And one where you wholly lied about what psilynut said... unless you're going to somehow demonstrate that it was another mistake.


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Re: DOJ to represent Trump in a personal legal matter [Re: Enlil]
    #26927000 - 09/09/20 07:15 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: DOJ to represent Trump in a personal legal matter [Re: Enlil]
    #26927008 - 09/09/20 07:19 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

That's a good example of bad faith arguing on your part.  Why would Psilynut have said "I wonder how conservatives would have felt about Obama using their tax dollars to defend himself against a rape charge that allegedly took place before he was in office" if that's not what he thought Trump did?  Who cares what conservatives think if it's something different?

I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that he was expressing random thoughts that had nothing to do with the conversation.


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Re: DOJ to represent Trump in a personal legal matter [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26927017 - 09/09/20 07:23 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

He's using a hypothetical to make a point.  No one should expect a hypothetical to perfectly align with reality. If it did, it wouldn't be a hypothetical.

Do you want to improve or win? It looks like the latter. I don't need to waste the time and effort if you're just looking to reinforce your current habits.


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Re: DOJ to represent Trump in a personal legal matter [Re: Enlil]
    #26927083 - 09/09/20 08:10 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Oooh, you make it sound like it's so hard to do a hypothetical.  I think that's more bad faith arguing on your part, because instead of this...

"I wonder how conservatives would have felt about Obama using their tax dollars to defend himself against a rape charge that allegedly took place before he was in office..."

...he could have said this to make his hypothetical more accurate:

"I wonder how conservatives would have felt about Obama using their tax dollars to defend himself against a lie charge that allegedly took place while he was in office..."

Pretty easy, huh?


I'd love to hear from others here on whether you're arguing in bad faith or not.

Anyone (besides koods, and natedawgnow who I know hate me because I call them out on make believe all the time)?


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Re: DOJ to represent Trump in a personal legal matter [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26927091 - 09/09/20 08:15 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

He COULD have said many things.  He DIDN'T SAY that Trump was using tax dollars to defend himself against a rape charge.  Nonetheless, you literally DID say:

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Psilynut2 also is not credible for claiming Trump was using tax dollars to defend himself against a rape charge?




You also said:

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what about Psilynut2's claim that Trump is "using their tax dollars to defend himself against a rape charge"?




You even quoted Psily and intentionally omitted the word "Obama" and pretended he was talking about Trump.  Of course, this isn't the first time you've been accused of misleading use of quotes, so you knew what you were doing when you did it.

Do you want to be right?  Or do you want to improve?  I'm seeing a lot of pushback from you on something that is clearly dishonest on your part.


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