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OfflineLosTresOjos
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    #26922297 - 09/07/20 01:31 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I've been taking doses of +5g for my last several trips. The part that has me baffled is that  I have been in contact with something. On the last trip I felt as if I had disrespected the mushroom by taking 8gs when I really would have rather been with my wife. It was torture but eye opening. It really motivated me to be a healthier person.

  Well it had been almost two years of waiting to have another go and try to find out what is going on. What I had been in deep conversation with.
I had weighted out 5.46g of some what turned out to be very potent mushrooms. They surpassed my 8g trip. I chewed them down with a glass of orange juice and waited in my spare bedroom with the lights off. There was restlessness in the air so I started to do some exercises which turned into some dancing as I began to feel the waves.

I had to lay back down as I felt the waves ramping up. My breath began to tighten and I started to see the balls of light get more and more vivid. It was dark, I could feel wind rushing past me. At this point I felt as if I was sufficiently intoxicated to be able to contact this thing. I yelled out, "Hello! Where are you?"

  At that moment I was in a strange house and a wisp came flying up past my chest and around my arm and down the hall. I said, "oh there you are." As I followed it down the hall. I momentarily snapped out of the hallucination and was rolling around in the bed and making strange noises. I was flung back in and I was running around the house chasing this wisp. I was moving chairs, tables, a piano. Again a moment of lucidity as I find my self back in the bed for only a few seconds. But I see my face and it looks like it's in agony.
I slip back under, and find myself frantically chasing this thing around, trying to desperately grab and hold it. But I can't.
 
  I fall back to reality laughing at it's playful nature and my feeble attempts at catching it. I'm the in strange house again and the wisp is flying around, I made one attempt at grabbing it. Thinking, this is bullshit. I said, This is bullshit. I almost screamed it. I then said, "show me what you are." A large fancy mirror popped up facing me but I wasn't being reflected. It was reflecting the same mirror back and an infinite image of repeating mirrors was there. Then a small hand mirror poked out from behind the large mirror as if a joke. I knew it had me at that moment. Everything shifted from a playful tone into something very dark. A wall to my right began to ooze this dark purple/gray goop out and it started to form a tentacle. I wasn't frightened but I couldn't not physically stand it. I felt this piercing feeling splitting my body right down the middle. I was trying to hold on but the pressure at the top of my head was to great, it felt as if my forehead would burst. I opened my eyes writhing around as I felt as if I was teleporting around my bed.

  I quickly found myself being shot forward at an immense speed. My room ripped apart and concepts and words would linger in my mind and just shatter into their bare components which where just themselves but smaller. Then continue to infinitely fall apart.  I began to feel my bowels needing attention. So I got up and as I moved the world would freeze and fall apart then I would have moved several feet into the next room and again it kept happening. I made it back to the room where I kept being propelled forward through space. I would play with my hands in the air and I would look at them and would not be able to associate anything to them. Everything was new to my mind, the world was completely undefined. I would experience moments of clarity and I would be horrified at my state, just writhing around making noises. Unable to make sense of things.

About three and a half hours after ingestion I felt my feet touch the bottom. I decided I would go and have a shower. While in there I was putting some shampoo on and I was still being hit by very powerful waves but nowhere near as strong as before and I would loose all concept of washing or soap. I went back to lay down and ride the comedown.
The flash of the peak was so intense. It lasted about two and a half hours. I came back down laughing as I felt as if I was right back where I started, not knowing anything.

  The states where I was lucid during the 3 hour comedown was definitely very nice and it allows me to really think about things from many angles. There's is also plenty of eye candy. But the peak has never been like that for me. It seems like the level of intoxication is very important to push past the threshold of being present and being on the other side.

  Side note. I saw a microwave and it turned like it was a head. The plastic stretched like skin. So creepy.  That gave me goosebumps and had me doing a double take.
I spent a large portion of the evening researching bifurcation. I'm only about 30 hours out from the epicenter so I'm still trying to process things.


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Re: My encounter [Re: LosTresOjos]
    #26922318 - 09/07/20 02:17 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Oh wow, that sounds intense! Welcome back to reality.

Most I’ve done was 4g but I would like to go for a 5g trip. I had a level five experience before on azures but nothing like what you experienced. I think that’s the great thing about psychedelics, that every trip is different and for different people.

I’m excited to venture into mushrooms again after being away for 1 1/2 years! I’ll probably do 3g at first, then the next I’ll go for 5g and take the real plunge. Just waiting on my master jars to colonize, then I’ll use a couple for shoeboxes.


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Re: My encounter [Re: MadHatter333]
    #26922566 - 09/07/20 07:49 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

seems normal for when you exceed the sweet spot.
I like the exercise dance informal ritual at the beginning.
and the wisps.

lying in bed while moving pianos sounds like dreams rather than dangerous somnabulism, (i.e deliriant style effects of too much mush).


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Re: My encounter [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26923117 - 09/07/20 01:37 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Lol it felt like just the right amount.

  What do you mean sweet spot? Is there such a thing?


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Re: My encounter [Re: LosTresOjos]
    #26923501 - 09/07/20 06:02 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

the sweet spot is a dose for a substance that gives you a good balance of enhanced sensory and mental experience, it shifts with the setting and your mindset - it is lovely - or sweet to be that way. 
that is the sweet spot,
maybe not historically important or mythically relevant to anything but worth spending more time in, i.e. seems rewarding through and through.


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Re: My encounter [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26923571 - 09/07/20 06:40 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I experience that during the comedowns. It's inevitable as it's part of a certain intoxication level. I'm no longer looking for that. I'm looking to explore the peak of the nuclear explosion.
 
  I had many of the same signs that lead me to go down a bad rabbit hole last time but this time I recognized them and was able to maneuver around those thoughts ands feelings. I feel much more confident in keeping my cool. It really gives me no confidence for the next trip as I know how quickly things can turn. But at least I know it can work.
The sweet spot is a personal thing.


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Re: My encounter [Re: LosTresOjos]
    #26924145 - 09/08/20 05:47 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

we may find that we are talking about the same thing.
your way of discussing it alludes to the fascination with what cannot be mastered, surely a sweet thing to immerse in, occasionally, then for a few moments empowerment and joy during come down.
I am ok with some wild forces, but I stay closer to home for more of that sense of power on come-up, peak, and comedown.


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Re: My encounter [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26924551 - 09/08/20 11:38 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I'm not sure we are. You've mentioned a balance between mental and physical. I can't conceive of what you mean by this as this is not what I experience.


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Re: My encounter [Re: LosTresOjos]
    #26924714 - 09/08/20 01:49 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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LosTresOjos said:
I'm not sure we are. You've mentioned a balance between mental and physical. I can't conceive of what you mean by this as this is not what I experience.



my actual language was
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a good balance of enhanced sensory and mental experience



at all times, your consciousness is a mix of sensation and memory or ideas.  this is the balance you seek.

too much idea (hallucination) wipes away contact with sensory awareness, too much sensory, crowds out ideation.

this is the balance to seek. both are physical and mental.


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Re: My encounter [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26924736 - 09/08/20 02:01 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

How do you quantify the balance?  For example if you experience really intense visions are you saying it takes away from the awareness of mind?
  Honestly it seems trivial to be concerned about such things in midst of a psychedelic journey where you no longer perceive concepts such as balance, physical, sensory.

  The experience is very visceral so I'm not just experiencing visions. But touch, and smells.

I ask you, do you try to control your thoughts and physical sensations? How can you acquire a balance on such a thing?
Seems to me a feble attempt at maintaining control of something we cannot even understand.


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Re: My encounter [Re: LosTresOjos]
    #26925312 - 09/08/20 08:47 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah I'm with you on this last point.  There are few if any limits on what a psychedelic experience can deliver, so seeking to confine it to some kind of balance seems ill-advised to me. :cookiemonster:


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Re: My encounter [Re: LosTresOjos]
    #26925749 - 09/09/20 06:16 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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LosTresOjos said:
How do you quantify the balance?  For example if you experience really intense visions are you saying it takes away from the awareness of mind?
  Honestly it seems trivial to be concerned about such things in midst of a psychedelic journey where you no longer perceive concepts such as balance, physical, sensory.

  The experience is very visceral so I'm not just experiencing visions. But touch, and smells.

I ask you, do you try to control your thoughts and physical sensations? How can you acquire a balance on such a thing?
Seems to me a feble attempt at maintaining control of something we cannot even understand.



I cannot control my mind, but I can lead it into situations where it probably responds well.

Separately I have a practice which makes my responses more  internally democratic; but in the decisive moment, I DO NOT HAVE ANY CONTROL, although I will be facing the universe with my accumulated habits up to and at that point, some of which may include an honest measure of calm confidence from my practice.

so the balance would be something evaluated after and planned for in advance, otherwise it is what occurs, not what I am totally responsible for. except in dosing carefully for my set and setting.


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Re: My encounter [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26926378 - 09/09/20 01:35 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

That's a bit different. :nodofunderstanding:


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Re: My encounter [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26926505 - 09/09/20 03:01 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I'm not seeing what you are saying here.

You have a practice that allows you to make a more democratic decision? A committee of two?

  "so the balance would be something evaluated after and planned for in advance, otherwise it is what occurs, not what I am totally responsible for. except in dosing carefully for my set and setting. "

  I'm not sure what you mean.


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    #26926615 - 09/09/20 03:51 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I thought it made perfect sense.  :shrug:


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Re: My encounter [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26926661 - 09/09/20 04:13 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, let me try it:  RGV says "prepare to seek the middle way, but allow the currents to take hold as well".

Or this.


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Re: My encounter [Re: LosTresOjos]
    #26926722 - 09/09/20 04:42 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm not seeing what you are saying here.

You have a practice that allows you to make a more democratic decision? A committee of two?

  "so the balance would be something evaluated after and planned for in advance, otherwise it is what occurs, not what I am totally responsible for. except in dosing carefully for my set and setting. "

  I'm not sure what you mean.




Hey, in a perfect world (not really) I might just be one person with one persona, but actually I am every one of myself at every age with all the accumulated confusion from each experience. Sure now I am not afraid of intimacy, but at one time I was untrusting of everyone and everything. So what I mean is that I have to keep on trying to sit still and observe my breathing noticing how i react to various distractions some of which (those reactions) are juvenile (fearful, hateful) and others more liberal, but each of which I need to touch briefly while relaxed, and consider to be fair.

we are strange bags of human reactivity that can go off in any direction, and all of those reactions (personas) at one time at least  were the right on the money for the situation, though off balancing in the now.

you cannot make peace with all that you are in an instant just because you want to,  but you can through practice develop an attitude that will face fairly and openly the feelings and the 'reality' (set and setting) - and that is all the prep you encounter needs.


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Re: My encounter [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26928595 - 09/10/20 04:18 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Lol I was definitely reeling from the trip the past few days. I was simply overthinking what you were saying.
My mind was racing and I literally was not reading properly.

I understand what you were saying about the balance. I try to be very calm and allow the experience to unfold and at times I might get into a space that brings about fear or anxiety and it's been easy to just let it be and pass through.


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