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DOJ to represent Trump in a personal legal matter
    #26925515 - 09/08/20 11:43 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/08/nyregion/donald-trump-jean-carroll-lawsuit-rape.html?smtyp=cur&smid=tw-nytimes
Is this beyond the pale?

I've not heard of this before.  Does anyone know of any examples?


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Re: DOJ to represent Trump in a personal legal matter [Re: ballsalsa]
    #26925563 - 09/09/20 12:48 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Strange story.  Carroll alleges Trump tried to rape her in a dressing room of a famous New York City department store while she was modeling lingerie for him.  She never filed any charges against him, but then when she wrote about the incident in a book after Trump became President, Trump commented “she’s not my type” and now she's suing him for defamation.  :lol:


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Re: DOJ to represent Trump in a personal legal matter [Re: ballsalsa]
    #26925726 - 09/09/20 05:24 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: DOJ to represent Trump in a personal legal matter [Re: ballsalsa]
    #26925729 - 09/09/20 05:36 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Some legalese; still dont see how this applies since alleged action took place before Trump was prez?


https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/28/50.15

50.15 Representation of Federal officials and employees by Department of Justice attorneys or by private counsel furnished by the Department in civil, criminal, and congressional proceedings in which Federal employees are sued, subpoenaed, or charged in their individual capacities.
(a) Under the procedures set forth below, a federal employee (hereby defined to include present and former Federal officials and employees) may be provided representation in civil, criminal and Congressional proceedings in which he is sued, subpoenaed, or charged in his individual capacity, not covered by § 15.1 of this chapter, when the actions for which representation is requested reasonably appear to have been performed within the scope of the employee's employment and the Attorney General or his designee determines that providing representation would otherwise be in the interest of the United States. No special form of request for representation is required when it is clear from the proceedings in a case that the employee is being sued solely in his official capacity and only equitable relief is sought. (See USAM 4-13.000)

(1) When an employee believes he is entitled to representation by the Department of Justice in a proceeding, he must submit forthwith a written request for that representation, together with all process and pleadings served upon him, to his immediate supervisor or whomever is designated by the head of his department or agency. Unless the employee's employing federal agency concludes that representation is clearly unwarranted, it shall submit, in a timely manner, to the Civil Division or other appropriate litigating division (Antitrust, Civil Rights, Criminal, Land and Natural Resources or the Tax Division), a statement containing its findings as to whether the employee was acting within the scope of his employment and its recommendation for or against providing representation. The statement should be accompanied by all available factual information. In emergency situations the litigating division may initiate conditional representation after a telephone request from the appropriate official of the employing agency. In such cases, the written request and appropriate documentation must be subsequently provided.


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Re: DOJ to represent Trump in a personal legal matter [Re: ballsalsa] * 2
    #26925779 - 09/09/20 06:57 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I wonder how conservatives would have felt about Obama using their tax dollars to defend himself against a rape charge that allegedly took place before he was in office if he had been  white instead of black ?


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Re: DOJ to represent Trump in a personal legal matter [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26925794 - 09/09/20 07:20 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Strange story.  Carroll alleges Trump tried to rape her in a dressing room of a famous New York City department store while she was modeling lingerie for him.  She never filed any charges against him, but then when she wrote about the incident in a book after Trump became President, Trump commented “she’s not my type” and now she's suing him for defamation.  :lol:




Ok this shit is starting to get old lol. Either every male celebrity is a rapist amd wife beater or some of these bitches are lying for fame and money lol. 

Trump has billions! He doesn't have to rape women! He could bang a beautiful virgin every Friday night if he wanted to.... Even the Biden thing is probably bullshit. These women want money!!!!!


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Re: DOJ to represent Trump in a personal legal matter [Re: Shenmue]
    #26925798 - 09/09/20 07:24 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: DOJ to represent Trump in a personal legal matter [Re: Psilynut2] * 1
    #26925904 - 09/09/20 08:44 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I wonder how conservatives would have felt about Obama using their tax dollars to defend himself against a rape charge that allegedly took place before he was in office if he had been  white instead of black ?



Obama killed American citizens while in office.  Not many people seemed to care.


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Re: DOJ to represent Trump in a personal legal matter [Re: Billy Ray]
    #26925907 - 09/09/20 08:45 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Obama is trash.

Happy?


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Re: DOJ to represent Trump in a personal legal matter [Re: ballsalsa]
    #26925911 - 09/09/20 08:47 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Indifferent.


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Re: DOJ to represent Trump in a personal legal matter [Re: ballsalsa]
    #26925926 - 09/09/20 08:58 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Da legal argument, they want to change Trump to "United States".

https://www.npr.org/2020/09/09/910992023/justice-dept-intervenes-to-take-over-trumps-defense-in-defamation-lawsuit

In an unusual five-page filing in U.S. District Court for the Southern District of New York, the Justice Department argued that Trump's remarks were made in the performance of his official duties as president and that therefore government attorneys should assume Trump's defense from his private lawyers.

The filing asked the court to designate the United States, rather than Trump, as the defendant in Carroll's defamation suit and to move the case from state to federal court. Federal officials are generally immune from charges of defamation. If the DOJ's filing is successful, it would effectively bring Carroll's case to an end.


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Edited by SirTripAlot (09/09/20 08:59 AM)


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Re: DOJ to represent Trump in a personal legal matter [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 2
    #26925932 - 09/09/20 09:00 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Strange story.  Carroll alleges Trump tried to rape her in a dressing room of a famous New York City department store while she was modeling lingerie for him.  She never filed any charges against him, but then when she wrote about the incident in a book after Trump became President, Trump commented “she’s not my type” and now she's suing him for defamation.  :lol:



Which part of that is supposed to be funny?  A woman being raped?  The rapist ridiculing her thereafter?  I'm having a really hard time finding the funny part in your post.


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Re: DOJ to represent Trump in a personal legal matter [Re: Enlil]
    #26926068 - 09/09/20 10:31 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Strange story.  Carroll alleges Trump tried to rape her in a dressing room of a famous New York City department store while she was modeling lingerie for him.  She never filed any charges against him, but then when she wrote about the incident in a book after Trump became President, Trump commented “she’s not my type” and now she's suing him for defamation.  :lol:



Which part of that is supposed to be funny?  A woman being raped?  The rapist ridiculing her thereafter?  I'm having a really hard time finding the funny part in your post.




The humor comes from the fact that she was more outrage about what was written in a book about her than being potentially raped. The outrage isn't proportional to the listed events and that makes the credibility of her claims highly questionable, and somewhat humorous for many people.


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Re: DOJ to represent Trump in a personal legal matter [Re: Psilynut2]
    #26926079 - 09/09/20 10:38 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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SirTripAlot said:
Some legalese; still dont see how this applies since alleged action took place before Trump was prez?




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I wonder how conservatives would have felt about Obama using their tax dollars to defend himself against a rape charge that allegedly took place before he was in office if he had been  white instead of black ?



As I explained above, the alleged rape is not what Trump's in trouble for, Carroll never pressed charges for that.  He's being sued for defamation for saying "she's not my type" while he was President.


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Re: DOJ to represent Trump in a personal legal matter [Re: qman]
    #26926083 - 09/09/20 10:39 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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The humor comes from the fact that she was more outrage about what was written in a book about her than being potentially raped. The outrage isn't proportional to the listed events and that makes the credibility of her claims highly questionable, and somewhat humorous for many people.



How do you know she was more outraged?  Have you spoken to her?  Do you have any quotes from her saying that she's more outraged about one than the other?


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Re: DOJ to represent Trump in a personal legal matter [Re: Enlil]
    #26926085 - 09/09/20 10:41 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Which part of that is supposed to be funny?  A woman being raped?  The rapist ridiculing her thereafter?  I'm having a really hard time finding the funny part in your post.



Because Trump is being sued for saying "she's not my type".  :lol:


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Re: DOJ to represent Trump in a personal legal matter [Re: Enlil] * 2
    #26926090 - 09/09/20 10:41 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

It's a lot easier to prove that someone is a shit talker than a rapist, this far down the road


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Re: DOJ to represent Trump in a personal legal matter [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26926100 - 09/09/20 10:45 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Because Trump is being sued for saying "she's not my type".  :lol:



Here is an example of dishonesty.  She is suing because the President called her a liar, claimed she is making false allegations, and that he never met her.  "She's not my type" isn't defamatory and could never be the basis of a lawsuit. 

So, why would you lie about this?  Do you have an agenda?  Or are you just believing some crazy online source like Jimmy Dore or something?


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Re: DOJ to represent Trump in a personal legal matter [Re: Enlil]
    #26926145 - 09/09/20 11:12 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

It's an example of misunderstanding something I read in the media:

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“She’s not my type,” the president said at the time. His remarks prompted Carroll to sue him for defamation.




If she's suing the President for calling her a liar, I'll accept that; I won't cling to a dishonest story, as others here do.

If you're going accuse people of dishonesty, what about Psilynut2's claim that Trump is "using their tax dollars to defend himself against a rape charge"?  We know that's not true, but I'll blame the deceptive NY Times story rather than Psilynut2.

I think you're trying a little too hard to make believe that I'm a make believer.  :shrug:


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Re: DOJ to represent Trump in a personal legal matter [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26926149 - 09/09/20 11:17 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

That is exactly the effect of what Trump is doing, though.  That it isn't technically a "charge" isn't much of a misrepresentation, even if he hadn't couched it as a hypothetical.  What you did was completely mischaracterize her lawsuit.  On top of that, you found it necessary to laugh about it...twice. 

So, exactly what is funny about any of this?


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