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Re: quitting kratom [Re: pslyke]
#26924761 - 09/08/20 02:22 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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pslyke said: That was brief...
addiction is a bitch man, its a lot easier to cave and then convince yourself while high you don't need it then it is to actually suffer through the w/d and beat it for good.
but like most things, if you fail you just gotta get up and try again until you succeed. If you want it enough, it will happen.
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Re: quitting kratom [Re: pslyke] 1
#26924770 - 09/08/20 02:27 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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So the thought is there, mull on it and establish an action plan, set a quit date.
If you have quit substances in the past, reflect on what your process was. Then set a date and stick to it. Your mind will be more powerful than any drug, but you need to set yourself up for success.
If you can long-term ingest 20 eggs day, you can stop kratom. But only if you utterly want it.
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Re: quitting kratom [Re: gopher] 1
#26924821 - 09/08/20 02:53 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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gopher said: Yeah I just use it for the buzz, and I just dosed 5 grams, my book from Amazon arrived and I couldnt even concentrate enough to read the first page of the foreward, so I took some kratom to get cozy with the book, Ill try and take a t-break another time
I hear ya....
Difficulty focusing and feeling "out of it" is def something I experience when going through w/d when going with out kratom for the day.
I don't have any substantial words of advice for ya. Your dosage is a lot more than what I take.
I'd say try shaving a little bit off each of your individual doses each day and/or try to space out your doses a little bit more each day. Set up a specific regimen/plan as far as times of the day that you dose and how much you want to taper down your dose each day, that way you're not taking more "when ever you feel like it" and you have an actual plan/regimen to follow.
Do you exercise or have some sort of daily activity where you're physically active?...jogging, going for walks, going to the gym, bike rides, etc....I find that physical activity drastically increases the effects and duration of kratom. Taking a dose of kratom right before doing something active like going on a long walk or a bike ride will make that dose last much longer for me.
So maybe try using physical activity to extend the time between your doses of kratom & lessen the amount you take each day. Physical activity will also help with other aspects of w/d like insomnia & restless legs/arms.
I also find mild to moderate doses of NMDA antagonists seem to help with opioid w/d and almost seem to lessen tolerance too. (DXM, ketamine, etc)
I've been using kratom for years now (mostly for anxiety, mood support, physical energy & stamina, just keeps me level headed), when ever I'm in a better place in life and finally choose to take a break from it I'll likely use a low/moderate dose of DXM to help lessen any potential w/d...Along with tapering my daily amount (5g) down over the course of 5 to 7 days or so.
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Re: quitting kratom [Re: openmind]
#26924873 - 09/08/20 03:22 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Taking some kratom before running makes it soooo much easier! A lot easier to injure yourself too though...
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Dilsnique said: Well, damn. Just how addictive is it? I have taken it a few times and it made me feel good & happy, kinda like a low dose of Vicodin. I was thinking last night about picking some up today to help curb my drinking.
This actually kind of worked for me. I got to the point I was drinking around 10 beers per night every night and could wake up for work in the morning just fine. Started taking kratom and found that 4 or 5 beers plus a few table spoons of kratom hit the right spot. Lost a lot of weight which is good, but now I'm buying over 1 kilo of kratom every two weeks. My problem is simply that I'm just an addict. I've just been replacing my addictions with other addictions throughout most of my life. If you're looking to cut down on drinking, kratom could help. Make no mistake about it though. you'll just be replacing one habit with another.
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wow a kilo in 2 weeks, one thing I like about kratom is that its cheaper then drinking (both are way more expensive in Canada though, even taking inconsideration the exchange rate) but a kilo in 2 weeks would bankrupt me, a kilo lasts me over a month and even thats just almost too expensive for me
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Re: quitting kratom [Re: Shenmue]
#26925094 - 09/08/20 06:11 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Shenmue said: I wish I could get off of Kratom. It's extremely addictive.
Lol the wonder drug everone was saying a couple years ago wasn't addictive?

If your going to do opiates might as well be doing heroin imo.
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Re: quitting kratom [Re: Enjoywho]
#26925101 - 09/08/20 06:14 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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no I wouldnt take opiates unless I was in some serious pain, even if I just broke my arm again I think I would refuse the tramadol script this time and just up my kratom use
kratoms addictive, but if I ran out I dont think I would steal to get more, I just would have a runny nose and be super pissed I didnt have any to take
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Re: quitting kratom [Re: gopher]
#26925104 - 09/08/20 06:15 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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That's an extremely huge stretch saying everyone who does opiates would steal to dose. I'm broke today and I haven't stolen anything. I even missed my Methadone dose at the clinic.
If your a thief than that's on you
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Re: quitting kratom [Re: gopher]
#26925145 - 09/08/20 06:41 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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gopher said: wow a kilo in 2 weeks, one thing I like about kratom is that its cheaper then drinking (both are way more expensive in Canada though, even taking inconsideration the exchange rate) but a kilo in 2 weeks would bankrupt me, a kilo lasts me over a month and even thats just almost too expensive for me
Okay so I totally screwed that up. I just looked at what I ordered and I'm getting a little over a half a kilo that'll last me 2 weeks. So, disregard that. My mistake.
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I wouldn't say kratom is super addictive. Just that if you do get addicted it can be real hard to kick.
It's a weird drug that's a little different for everyone.
I wouldn't say it's as addictive as opiates simply because it doesn't give the same level of dope sickness. To me it's not as addictive as cigarettes but I've built my life and mental wellness around smoking.
But it's pretty close since I use kratom to manage pain and keep working.
How and why you're using something determines how "addictive" it is as much as anything else.
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CookieCrumbs said: I wouldn't say kratom is super addictive. Just that if you do get addicted it can be real hard to kick.
It's a weird drug that's a little different for everyone.
I wouldn't say it's as addictive as opiates simply because it doesn't give the same level of dope sickness. To me it's not as addictive as cigarettes but I've built my life and mental wellness around smoking.
But it's pretty close since I use kratom to manage pain and keep working.
How and why you're using something determines how "addictive" it is as much as anything else.
I used to do a bit of kratom. I found it pretty easy to put down though. I hated how inconvenient the shit is to take. I don't like swallowing 15 pills to get a reasonable amount into me to feel anything.
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Re: quitting kratom [Re: Enjoywho]
#26925179 - 09/08/20 06:59 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah Kratom can be a bitch to get off of once you get addicted. Mainly cause it’s so cheap, readily available and basically harmless to your body. If you’re really serious about quitting I would suggest trying an extremely slow taper. I’ve tried it a few times and though I’ve never been able to quit completely I’ve cut my dose way down with minimal withdrawals. I’ve never been THAT serious about quitting but if/when I do that’s my plan. Right now I’m experimenting with my slowest taper yet. I’m dropping my daily intake by .1 gram every week. I know it’s ridiculously small but that’s the point. Last time dropped it .1 gram every other day and cut my daily intake to less than half in a few months. Also I allowed myself one cheat day a week where I took my regular dose just to make it easier to stick with it and to give me something to look forward to. I saw this guy on YouTube who tapered off Kratom and he stretched it out over a year. Some people are better off going cold turkey so it all depends on your personality. Both methods have their pros and cons but I guess I prefer the gradual approach.
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Only way I can quit is not to re-order more when I run out and just suffer through the WDS, which in my experience aren't that bad except the awful restles legs shit that makes me want to put my legs into buckets of dry ice and freeze the fucking things off, fortunately for me WDs only last about 5 days.
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Re: quitting kratom [Re: pslyke]
#26925771 - 09/09/20 06:42 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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pslyke said: I've tapered and cold-turkey'd. I found both challenging. They really only differed in the length of feeling shitty. For me, I experienced crazy restless leg syndrome, insomnia and bone pain in knees and elbows. Worst of it was over in 5-7 post cold turkey.
Stay strong, it is a real challenge to cut it out of your life when it is so cheap and available. I feel better with it out of my life than needing to have my dose at certain times of the day, everyday.
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pslyke said: I've tapered and cold-turkey'd. I found both challenging. They really only differed in the length of feeling shitty. For me, I experienced crazy restless leg syndrome, insomnia and bone pain in knees and elbows. Worst of it was over in 5-7 post cold turkey.
Stay strong, it is a real challenge to cut it out of your life when it is so cheap and available. I feel better with it out of my life than needing to have my dose at certain times of the day, everyday.
Can you imagine if heroin and other addictive drugs were available to buy at our local stores?
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Re: quitting kratom [Re: Shenmue]
#26925814 - 09/09/20 07:38 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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It seems that Canada may in fact be moving in that direction. Recently there has been much discussion about decriminalization of all drugs. This has even received support by a large collection of the Chiefs of Police across the country. I think what's driving this is the number of people that are overdosing on fentanyl.
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Re: quitting kratom [Re: pslyke]
#26925823 - 09/09/20 07:45 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Akathisia, is what so many of you are describing. It can be hell, and varies in magnitude/intensity & duration + can affect whole body in worst cases.
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Yeah, I had it bad in my arms too, to the point I would wake up and wail on them as hard as could to stop that weird sensation by overloading pressure and pain receptors.
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Re: quitting kratom [Re: pslyke]
#26925864 - 09/09/20 08:14 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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pslyke said: It seems that Canada may in fact be moving in that direction. Recently there has been much discussion about decriminalization of all drugs. This has even received support by a large collection of the Chiefs of Police across the country. I think what's driving this is the number of people that are overdosing on fentanyl.
That's not the same thing as being fully legalized though. You're not going to able to buy legal cocaine at your local liquor store lol.
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Re: quitting kratom [Re: Shenmue]
#26925871 - 09/09/20 08:18 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Shenmue said:
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pslyke said: It seems that Canada may in fact be moving in that direction. Recently there has been much discussion about decriminalization of all drugs. This has even received support by a large collection of the Chiefs of Police across the country. I think what's driving this is the number of people that are overdosing on fentanyl.
That's not the same thing as being fully legalized though. You're not going to able to buy legal cocaine at your local liquor store lol.
True, but Canada also seems to be moving towards Safe Supply programs; at least in test centers.
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