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Offlinegopher
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quitting kratom
    #26924484 - 09/08/20 10:55 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

tapering isnt really working for me, I impulsively dose throughout the day

I was taking 5g about 7 times a day, so about 35g per day, but then I cut my dose in half to 2.5g but now im taking it about 10 times a day, so I only dropped my grams by 10g per day, I try to dose less often but I just keep taking more

today I woke up at 630 and had my coffee at 730, drinking a black coffee on a empty stomach gave me some nausea so I usually dose my first dose an hour or 2 after my coffee but ddidnt feel like it due to the nausea so todays like a little impromptu cold turkey quit

its now 1pm and the nausea is pretty much gone, and I keep telling myself I should dose just to dry up my nose, Its running like a faucet from not dosing yet today, but if I take 1 dose I know ill be at 25g by the end of the day

I tried to cold turkey twice before and both times by day 3 I was having intense urges to dose and started up again

I dont know why I made this thread, I just wish I only wanted to dose a couple times per day, my stash would last like over a year if I did that instead of months


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Re: quitting kratom [Re: gopher]
    #26924485 - 09/08/20 10:57 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I wish I could get off of Kratom. It's extremely addictive.


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Re: quitting kratom [Re: Shenmue]
    #26924489 - 09/08/20 11:01 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Well, damn.  Just how addictive is it?  I have taken it a few times and it made me feel good & happy, kinda like a low dose of Vicodin.  I was thinking last night about picking some up today to help curb my drinking.


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Re: quitting kratom [Re: Dilsnique]
    #26924509 - 09/08/20 11:11 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Dilsnique said:
Well, damn.  Just how addictive is it?  I have taken it a few times and it made me feel good & happy, kinda like a low dose of Vicodin.  I was thinking last night about picking some up today to help curb my drinking.




All you're going to do is replace your drinking with kratom If you have an addictive personality.


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Re: quitting kratom [Re: Dilsnique]
    #26924512 - 09/08/20 11:12 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Its pretty addictive IMO, but its also great for curbing drinking for a lot of people, I can count on both hands the amount of times I have drank since I started kratom 2 years ago, and the first few drinks are really hard to get down till you catch a a pretty good buzz then you can go back to drinking like a fish, before kratom I would buy booze whenever I had some extra money


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Re: quitting kratom [Re: gopher]
    #26924516 - 09/08/20 11:16 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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gopher said:
Its pretty addictive IMO, but its also great for curbing drinking for a lot of people, I can count on both hands the amount of times I have drank since I started kratom 2 years ago, and the first few drinks are really hard to get down till you catch a a pretty good buzz then you can go back to drinking like a fish, before kratom I would buy booze whenever I had some extra money




Yeah it nearly terminates cravings for alcohol. I was drinking nearly everyday before kratom. Now I use kratom everyday. Kratom is more addictive than caffeine...


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Re: quitting kratom [Re: Shenmue] * 1
    #26924530 - 09/08/20 11:24 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

*considers alcoholic smoothie containing rum and kratom*



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Re: quitting kratom [Re: gopher]
    #26924544 - 09/08/20 11:34 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Just throw it all out and suffer through a week of shittiness. Get a small stash of benzos and sleep through most of it if you need.

Quitting is usually the easiest part, not picking it (or an equally bad habit) back up is the real challenge.


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Re: quitting kratom [Re: Dilsnique]
    #26924557 - 09/08/20 11:42 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Taking CBD orally can help reduce cue-induced cravings, which could be helpful in trying to quit.  CBD isolate is $15 a gram.

I've never tried kratom specifically because I know I'd get addicted.


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Re: quitting kratom [Re: feevers]
    #26924558 - 09/08/20 11:43 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Have you used and quit an addictive substance in the past, OP?


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Re: quitting kratom [Re: Shenmue]
    #26924565 - 09/08/20 11:49 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Shenmue said:
Quote:

Dilsnique said:
Well, damn.  Just how addictive is it?  I have taken it a few times and it made me feel good & happy, kinda like a low dose of Vicodin.  I was thinking last night about picking some up today to help curb my drinking.




All you're going to do is replace your drinking with kratom If you have an addictive personality.



You're saying it like it's a bad thing, drining IMHO is far worse than kratom.

My only gripe with the stuff is that some strains give me headaches and I use it to get rid of my sinus headaches. It's a shitty catch-22. It's pretty darn addictive though, definitely worse than coffee, but ironically helped me get off coffee.


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Re: quitting kratom [Re: ninja cat 09]
    #26924598 - 09/08/20 12:22 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

once you get addicted to kratom you basically get super tired after a few hours then you have to dose to become normal again. It's honestly kind of ridiculous. I think it's time for me to quit.


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Re: quitting kratom [Re: Shenmue]
    #26924617 - 09/08/20 12:45 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

anyone who wants to read about kratom check out Azulkats posts on reddit https://www.reddit.com/user/azulkat he only posts in the kratom sub and he seems to know the most about kratom on reddit, every once in a blue moon I creep his posts


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Re: quitting kratom [Re: Shenmue]
    #26924623 - 09/08/20 12:46 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Sounds like it.

I use it three times a day. Was actually researching to check of any reports of reverse tolerance were evident.
They are not.
Regardless, I've cut my dosage down by a third and maybe have 3g at a time.

Fully acknowledge it's addictive, but it kills cravings for the greater of evils.


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Re: quitting kratom [Re: birdeatingspider]
    #26924641 - 09/08/20 01:00 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I'd say set aside your minimum dose to cut withdrawals and leave it until... Well I don't want to say you can't stand it anymore. But just before that point.

Raise your tolerance for bullshit, one day at a time... Just as you raise your opioid tolerance.


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Re: quitting kratom [Re: gopher]
    #26924668 - 09/08/20 01:17 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I've tapered and cold-turkey'd. I found both challenging. They really only differed in the length of feeling shitty. For me, I experienced crazy restless leg syndrome, insomnia and bone pain in knees and elbows. Worst of it was over in 5-7 post cold turkey.

Stay strong, it is a real challenge to cut it out of your life when it is so cheap and available. I feel better with it out of my life than needing to have my dose at certain times of the day, everyday.


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Re: quitting kratom [Re: gopher]
    #26924724 - 09/08/20 01:53 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Shenmue said:
Kratom is more addictive than caffeine...






It isn't for me. At least in regards to coffee and not caffeine specifically. Kratom can develop some physical dependence, but coffee is more addictive for me.

For me, in regards to "cravings" and the urge for "more", coffee is the most addictive substance I've ever dabbled with (even more so than meth or H). I'm not even joking.

It's strange...When I've gone a few days here & there with out kratom over the past 8 years or so that I've been taking it basically daily (as a medicine, not for catching a buzz/getting high), I don't experience any cravings or any desire/urge to take a dose of the stuff even when I'm experiencing withdrawal. (sure it sounds nice in the moment, but there isn't a component of "craving" or a desire to consume it)

With coffee....after I drink it one day, the very next day coffee is immediately on my mind from the moment I wake up, and then through out the day I constantly crave brewing up another cup, and another, and so on and so on. Coffee is extremely addictive for me.






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.....I keep telling myself I should dose just to dry up my nose, Its running like a faucet from not dosing yet today





Taking a dose of kratom just to keep your nose from running? Grab a tissue.

Sounds like parts of your self/mind is just trying to make up excuses to take another dose of kratom.

What reasons did you initially start taking kratom for? Some specific reasons/ailments or just to catch a buzz?







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Re: quitting kratom [Re: pslyke]
    #26924726 - 09/08/20 01:54 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

i think the "hollow bone syndrome" was the worst part about quitting oxy for me.  Legs hurt so bad, i could deal with the insomnia but that feeling in my legs just was impossible to ignore.  I use that as a gauge now when dabbling in addictive stuff, when I stop using and notice my legs feeling funny i know i chipped a little too hard.


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Re: quitting kratom [Re: pslyke]
    #26924732 - 09/08/20 01:57 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah I just use it for the buzz, and I just dosed 5 grams, my book from Amazon arrived and I couldnt even concentrate enough to read the first page of the foreward, so I took some kratom to get cozy with the book, Ill try and take a t-break another time


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Re: quitting kratom [Re: gopher]
    #26924758 - 09/08/20 02:19 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

That was brief...


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