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quitting kratom
    #26924484 - 09/08/20 10:55 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

tapering isnt really working for me, I impulsively dose throughout the day

I was taking 5g about 7 times a day, so about 35g per day, but then I cut my dose in half to 2.5g but now im taking it about 10 times a day, so I only dropped my grams by 10g per day, I try to dose less often but I just keep taking more

today I woke up at 630 and had my coffee at 730, drinking a black coffee on a empty stomach gave me some nausea so I usually dose my first dose an hour or 2 after my coffee but ddidnt feel like it due to the nausea so todays like a little impromptu cold turkey quit

its now 1pm and the nausea is pretty much gone, and I keep telling myself I should dose just to dry up my nose, Its running like a faucet from not dosing yet today, but if I take 1 dose I know ill be at 25g by the end of the day

I tried to cold turkey twice before and both times by day 3 I was having intense urges to dose and started up again

I dont know why I made this thread, I just wish I only wanted to dose a couple times per day, my stash would last like over a year if I did that instead of months


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Re: quitting kratom [Re: gopher]
    #26924485 - 09/08/20 10:57 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I wish I could get off of Kratom. It's extremely addictive.


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Re: quitting kratom [Re: Shenmue]
    #26924489 - 09/08/20 11:01 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Well, damn.  Just how addictive is it?  I have taken it a few times and it made me feel good & happy, kinda like a low dose of Vicodin.  I was thinking last night about picking some up today to help curb my drinking.


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Re: quitting kratom [Re: Dilsnique]
    #26924509 - 09/08/20 11:11 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Dilsnique said:
Well, damn.  Just how addictive is it?  I have taken it a few times and it made me feel good & happy, kinda like a low dose of Vicodin.  I was thinking last night about picking some up today to help curb my drinking.




All you're going to do is replace your drinking with kratom If you have an addictive personality.


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Re: quitting kratom [Re: Dilsnique]
    #26924512 - 09/08/20 11:12 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Its pretty addictive IMO, but its also great for curbing drinking for a lot of people, I can count on both hands the amount of times I have drank since I started kratom 2 years ago, and the first few drinks are really hard to get down till you catch a a pretty good buzz then you can go back to drinking like a fish, before kratom I would buy booze whenever I had some extra money


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Re: quitting kratom [Re: gopher]
    #26924516 - 09/08/20 11:16 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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gopher said:
Its pretty addictive IMO, but its also great for curbing drinking for a lot of people, I can count on both hands the amount of times I have drank since I started kratom 2 years ago, and the first few drinks are really hard to get down till you catch a a pretty good buzz then you can go back to drinking like a fish, before kratom I would buy booze whenever I had some extra money




Yeah it nearly terminates cravings for alcohol. I was drinking nearly everyday before kratom. Now I use kratom everyday. Kratom is more addictive than caffeine...


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Re: quitting kratom [Re: Shenmue] * 1
    #26924530 - 09/08/20 11:24 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

*considers alcoholic smoothie containing rum and kratom*



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Re: quitting kratom [Re: gopher]
    #26924544 - 09/08/20 11:34 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Just throw it all out and suffer through a week of shittiness. Get a small stash of benzos and sleep through most of it if you need.

Quitting is usually the easiest part, not picking it (or an equally bad habit) back up is the real challenge.


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Re: quitting kratom [Re: Dilsnique]
    #26924557 - 09/08/20 11:42 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Taking CBD orally can help reduce cue-induced cravings, which could be helpful in trying to quit.  CBD isolate is $15 a gram.

I've never tried kratom specifically because I know I'd get addicted.


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Re: quitting kratom [Re: feevers]
    #26924558 - 09/08/20 11:43 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Have you used and quit an addictive substance in the past, OP?


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Re: quitting kratom [Re: Shenmue]
    #26924565 - 09/08/20 11:49 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Shenmue said:
Quote:

Dilsnique said:
Well, damn.  Just how addictive is it?  I have taken it a few times and it made me feel good & happy, kinda like a low dose of Vicodin.  I was thinking last night about picking some up today to help curb my drinking.




All you're going to do is replace your drinking with kratom If you have an addictive personality.



You're saying it like it's a bad thing, drining IMHO is far worse than kratom.

My only gripe with the stuff is that some strains give me headaches and I use it to get rid of my sinus headaches. It's a shitty catch-22. It's pretty darn addictive though, definitely worse than coffee, but ironically helped me get off coffee.


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Re: quitting kratom [Re: ninja cat 09]
    #26924598 - 09/08/20 12:22 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

once you get addicted to kratom you basically get super tired after a few hours then you have to dose to become normal again. It's honestly kind of ridiculous. I think it's time for me to quit.


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Re: quitting kratom [Re: Shenmue]
    #26924617 - 09/08/20 12:45 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

anyone who wants to read about kratom check out Azulkats posts on reddit https://www.reddit.com/user/azulkat he only posts in the kratom sub and he seems to know the most about kratom on reddit, every once in a blue moon I creep his posts


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Re: quitting kratom [Re: Shenmue]
    #26924623 - 09/08/20 12:46 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Sounds like it.

I use it three times a day. Was actually researching to check of any reports of reverse tolerance were evident.
They are not.
Regardless, I've cut my dosage down by a third and maybe have 3g at a time.

Fully acknowledge it's addictive, but it kills cravings for the greater of evils.


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Re: quitting kratom [Re: birdeatingspider]
    #26924641 - 09/08/20 01:00 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I'd say set aside your minimum dose to cut withdrawals and leave it until... Well I don't want to say you can't stand it anymore. But just before that point.

Raise your tolerance for bullshit, one day at a time... Just as you raise your opioid tolerance.


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Re: quitting kratom [Re: gopher]
    #26924668 - 09/08/20 01:17 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I've tapered and cold-turkey'd. I found both challenging. They really only differed in the length of feeling shitty. For me, I experienced crazy restless leg syndrome, insomnia and bone pain in knees and elbows. Worst of it was over in 5-7 post cold turkey.

Stay strong, it is a real challenge to cut it out of your life when it is so cheap and available. I feel better with it out of my life than needing to have my dose at certain times of the day, everyday.


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Re: quitting kratom [Re: gopher]
    #26924724 - 09/08/20 01:53 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Kratom is more addictive than caffeine...






It isn't for me. At least in regards to coffee and not caffeine specifically. Kratom can develop some physical dependence, but coffee is more addictive for me.

For me, in regards to "cravings" and the urge for "more", coffee is the most addictive substance I've ever dabbled with (even more so than meth or H). I'm not even joking.

It's strange...When I've gone a few days here & there with out kratom over the past 8 years or so that I've been taking it basically daily (as a medicine, not for catching a buzz/getting high), I don't experience any cravings or any desire/urge to take a dose of the stuff even when I'm experiencing withdrawal. (sure it sounds nice in the moment, but there isn't a component of "craving" or a desire to consume it)

With coffee....after I drink it one day, the very next day coffee is immediately on my mind from the moment I wake up, and then through out the day I constantly crave brewing up another cup, and another, and so on and so on. Coffee is extremely addictive for me.






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.....I keep telling myself I should dose just to dry up my nose, Its running like a faucet from not dosing yet today





Taking a dose of kratom just to keep your nose from running? Grab a tissue.

Sounds like parts of your self/mind is just trying to make up excuses to take another dose of kratom.

What reasons did you initially start taking kratom for? Some specific reasons/ailments or just to catch a buzz?







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Re: quitting kratom [Re: pslyke]
    #26924726 - 09/08/20 01:54 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

i think the "hollow bone syndrome" was the worst part about quitting oxy for me.  Legs hurt so bad, i could deal with the insomnia but that feeling in my legs just was impossible to ignore.  I use that as a gauge now when dabbling in addictive stuff, when I stop using and notice my legs feeling funny i know i chipped a little too hard.


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Re: quitting kratom [Re: pslyke]
    #26924732 - 09/08/20 01:57 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah I just use it for the buzz, and I just dosed 5 grams, my book from Amazon arrived and I couldnt even concentrate enough to read the first page of the foreward, so I took some kratom to get cozy with the book, Ill try and take a t-break another time


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Re: quitting kratom [Re: gopher]
    #26924758 - 09/08/20 02:19 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

That was brief...


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Re: quitting kratom [Re: pslyke]
    #26924761 - 09/08/20 02:22 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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That was brief...




addiction is a bitch man, its a lot easier to cave and then convince yourself while high you don't need it then it is to actually suffer through the w/d and beat it for good.

but like most things, if you fail you just gotta get up and try again until you succeed.  If you want it enough, it will happen.


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Re: quitting kratom [Re: pslyke] * 1
    #26924770 - 09/08/20 02:27 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

So the thought is there, mull on it and establish an action plan, set a quit date.

If you have quit substances in the past, reflect on what your process was. Then set a date and stick to it. Your mind will be more powerful than any drug, but you need to set yourself up for success.

If you can long-term ingest 20 eggs day, you can stop kratom.
But only if you utterly want it.


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Re: quitting kratom [Re: gopher] * 1
    #26924821 - 09/08/20 02:53 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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gopher said:
Yeah I just use it for the buzz, and I just dosed 5 grams, my book from Amazon arrived and I couldnt even concentrate enough to read the first page of the foreward, so I took some kratom to get cozy with the book, Ill try and take a t-break another time





I hear ya....

Difficulty focusing and feeling "out of it" is def something I experience when going through w/d when going with out kratom for the day.



I don't have any substantial words of advice for ya. Your dosage is a lot more than what I take.

I'd say try shaving a little bit off each of your individual doses each day and/or try to space out your doses a little bit more each day. Set up a specific regimen/plan as far as times of the day that you dose and how much you want to taper down your dose each day, that way you're not taking more "when ever you feel like it" and you have an actual plan/regimen to follow.

Do you exercise or have some sort of daily activity where you're physically active?...jogging, going for walks, going to the gym, bike rides, etc....I find that physical activity drastically increases the effects and duration of kratom. Taking a dose of kratom right before doing something active like going on a long walk or a bike ride will make that dose last much longer for me.

So maybe try using physical activity to extend the time between your doses of kratom & lessen the amount you take each day. Physical activity will also help with other aspects of w/d like insomnia & restless legs/arms.

I also find mild to moderate doses of NMDA antagonists seem to help with opioid w/d and almost seem to lessen tolerance too. (DXM, ketamine, etc)

I've been using kratom for years now (mostly for anxiety, mood support, physical energy & stamina, just keeps me level headed), when ever I'm in a better place in life and finally choose to take a break from it I'll likely use a low/moderate dose of DXM to help lessen any potential w/d...Along with tapering my daily amount (5g) down over the course of 5 to 7 days or so.





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Re: quitting kratom [Re: openmind]
    #26924873 - 09/08/20 03:22 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Taking some kratom before running makes it soooo much easier! A lot easier to injure yourself too though...


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Re: quitting kratom [Re: Dilsnique]
    #26925081 - 09/08/20 06:04 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Dilsnique said:
Well, damn.  Just how addictive is it?  I have taken it a few times and it made me feel good & happy, kinda like a low dose of Vicodin.  I was thinking last night about picking some up today to help curb my drinking.





This actually kind of worked for me. I got to the point I was drinking around 10 beers per night every night and could wake up for work in the morning just fine. Started taking kratom and found that 4 or 5 beers plus a few table spoons of kratom hit the right spot. Lost a lot of weight which is good, but now I'm buying over 1 kilo of kratom every two weeks. My problem is simply that I'm just an addict. I've just been replacing my addictions with other addictions throughout most of my life. If you're looking to cut down on drinking, kratom could help. Make no mistake about it though. you'll just be replacing one habit with another.


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Re: quitting kratom [Re: xanderofpella]
    #26925089 - 09/08/20 06:09 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

wow a kilo in 2 weeks, one thing I like about kratom is that its cheaper then drinking (both are way more expensive in Canada though, even taking inconsideration the exchange rate) but a kilo in 2 weeks would bankrupt me, a kilo lasts me over a month and even thats just almost too expensive for me


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Re: quitting kratom [Re: Shenmue]
    #26925094 - 09/08/20 06:11 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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I wish I could get off of Kratom. It's extremely addictive.




Lol the wonder drug everone was saying a couple years ago wasn't addictive?

:rofl:

If your going to do opiates might as well be doing heroin imo.


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Re: quitting kratom [Re: Enjoywho]
    #26925101 - 09/08/20 06:14 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

no I wouldnt take opiates unless I was in some serious pain, even if I just broke my arm again I think I would refuse the tramadol script this time and just up my kratom use

kratoms addictive, but if I ran out I dont think I would steal to get more, I just would have a runny nose and be super pissed I didnt have any to take


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Since Disney has obtained tremendous value from the public domain, knows how important the public domain is, and is firmly determined to never contribute anything to it.

My pronouns are He and Him, and my adjectives are Fat and Jazzy

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Re: quitting kratom [Re: gopher]
    #26925104 - 09/08/20 06:15 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

That's an extremely huge stretch saying everyone who does opiates would steal to dose. I'm broke today and I haven't stolen anything. I even missed my Methadone dose at the clinic.

If your a thief than that's on you :shrug:


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Re: quitting kratom [Re: gopher]
    #26925145 - 09/08/20 06:41 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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wow a kilo in 2 weeks, one thing I like about kratom is that its cheaper then drinking (both are way more expensive in Canada though, even taking inconsideration the exchange rate) but a kilo in 2 weeks would bankrupt me, a kilo lasts me over a month and even thats just almost too expensive for me




Okay so I totally screwed that up. I just looked at what I ordered and I'm getting a little over a half a kilo that'll last me 2 weeks. So, disregard that. My mistake.


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Re: quitting kratom [Re: xanderofpella] * 1
    #26925168 - 09/08/20 06:55 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I wouldn't say kratom is super addictive. Just that if you do get addicted it can be real hard to kick.


It's a weird drug that's a little different for everyone.

I wouldn't say it's as addictive as opiates simply because it doesn't give the same level of dope sickness. To me it's not as addictive as cigarettes but I've built my life and mental wellness around smoking.

But it's pretty close since I use kratom to manage pain and keep working.

How and why you're using something determines how "addictive" it is as much as anything else.


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Re: quitting kratom [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #26925172 - 09/08/20 06:57 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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I wouldn't say kratom is super addictive. Just that if you do get addicted it can be real hard to kick.


It's a weird drug that's a little different for everyone.

I wouldn't say it's as addictive as opiates simply because it doesn't give the same level of dope sickness. To me it's not as addictive as cigarettes but I've built my life and mental wellness around smoking.

But it's pretty close since I use kratom to manage pain and keep working.

How and why you're using something determines how "addictive" it is as much as anything else.




I used to do a bit of kratom. I found it pretty easy to put down though. I hated how inconvenient the shit is to take. I don't like swallowing 15 pills to get a reasonable amount into me to feel anything.


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Re: quitting kratom [Re: Enjoywho]
    #26925179 - 09/08/20 06:59 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah Kratom can be a bitch to get off of once you get addicted. Mainly cause it’s so cheap, readily available and basically harmless to your body.
If you’re really serious about quitting I would suggest trying an extremely slow taper.
I’ve tried it a few times and though I’ve never been able to quit completely I’ve cut my dose way down with minimal withdrawals.
I’ve never been THAT serious about quitting but if/when I do that’s my plan.
Right now I’m experimenting with my slowest taper yet.
I’m dropping my daily intake by .1 gram every week. I know it’s ridiculously small but that’s the point.
Last time dropped it .1 gram every other day and cut my daily intake to less than half in a few months.
Also I allowed myself one cheat day a week where I took my regular dose just to make it easier to stick with it and to give me something to look forward to.
I saw this guy on YouTube who tapered off Kratom and he stretched it out over a year.
Some people are better off going cold turkey so it all depends on your personality.
Both methods have their pros and cons but I guess I prefer the gradual approach.


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Re: quitting kratom [Re: Complexicated]
    #26925355 - 09/08/20 09:29 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Only way I can quit is not to re-order more when I run out and just suffer through the WDS, which in my experience aren't that bad except the awful restles legs shit that makes me want to put my legs into buckets of dry ice and freeze the fucking things off, fortunately for me WDs only last about 5 days.


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Re: quitting kratom [Re: pslyke]
    #26925771 - 09/09/20 06:42 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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I've tapered and cold-turkey'd. I found both challenging. They really only differed in the length of feeling shitty. For me, I experienced crazy restless leg syndrome, insomnia and bone pain in knees and elbows. Worst of it was over in 5-7 post cold turkey.

Stay strong, it is a real challenge to cut it out of your life when it is so cheap and available. I feel better with it out of my life than needing to have my dose at certain times of the day, everyday.



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I've tapered and cold-turkey'd. I found both challenging. They really only differed in the length of feeling shitty. For me, I experienced crazy restless leg syndrome, insomnia and bone pain in knees and elbows. Worst of it was over in 5-7 post cold turkey.

Stay strong, it is a real challenge to cut it out of your life when it is so cheap and available. I feel better with it out of my life than needing to have my dose at certain times of the day, everyday.




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Re: quitting kratom [Re: Shenmue]
    #26925814 - 09/09/20 07:38 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

It seems that Canada may in fact be moving in that direction. Recently there has been much discussion about decriminalization of all drugs. This has even received support by a large collection of the Chiefs of Police across the country. I think what's driving this is the number of people that are overdosing on fentanyl.


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Re: quitting kratom [Re: pslyke]
    #26925823 - 09/09/20 07:45 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Akathisia, is what so many of you are describing.  It can be hell, and varies in magnitude/intensity & duration + can affect whole body in worst cases.


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Re: quitting kratom [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26925831 - 09/09/20 07:51 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, I had it bad in my arms too, to the point I would wake up and wail on them as hard as could to stop that weird sensation by overloading pressure and pain receptors.


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Re: quitting kratom [Re: pslyke]
    #26925864 - 09/09/20 08:14 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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It seems that Canada may in fact be moving in that direction. Recently there has been much discussion about decriminalization of all drugs. This has even received support by a large collection of the Chiefs of Police across the country. I think what's driving this is the number of people that are overdosing on fentanyl.




That's not the same thing as being fully legalized though. You're not going  to able to buy legal cocaine at your local liquor store lol.


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Re: quitting kratom [Re: Shenmue]
    #26925871 - 09/09/20 08:18 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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It seems that Canada may in fact be moving in that direction. Recently there has been much discussion about decriminalization of all drugs. This has even received support by a large collection of the Chiefs of Police across the country. I think what's driving this is the number of people that are overdosing on fentanyl.




That's not the same thing as being fully legalized though. You're not going  to able to buy legal cocaine at your local liquor store lol.




True, but Canada also seems to be moving towards Safe Supply programs; at least in test centers.


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Re: quitting kratom [Re: Shenmue]
    #26925894 - 09/09/20 08:39 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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It seems that Canada may in fact be moving in that direction. Recently there has been much discussion about decriminalization of all drugs. This has even received support by a large collection of the Chiefs of Police across the country. I think what's driving this is the number of people that are overdosing on fentanyl.




That's not the same thing as being fully legalized though. You're not going  to able to buy legal cocaine at your local liquor store lol.



People made the same complaint when they legalized weed here. This is wrong with it, this is wrong with it. I'll tell you the same thing I've told them.. the whole reason we got where we did is because so many people decided the rules were fucked and didn't listen. Fast forward to now and there's private dispensaries still EVERYWHERE. Still popping up EVERYWHERE. Either they change the rules, we make them, or they look weak because they can't/won't enforce their laws. There are probably at least DOZENS of AAAA+ top quality sites selling mushrooms these days, domestically in Canada. More pop up all the time. The same way it did with weed. Except more rapidly. Baby steps turn in to giant steps eventually.. can't get too hung up on the "butter notes" :wink:


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Re: quitting kratom [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #26925939 - 09/09/20 09:04 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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There are probably at least DOZENS of AAAA+ top quality sites selling mushrooms these days, domestically in Canada.




I only know of 2, one of them only sells microdoses and the other is always sold out of everything except microdoses, I check it about 1-2 times a month and I havnt seen an oz on sale for 6 months, just overpriced microcapsules, they want like $84 for 60 100mg micro-caps


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Re: quitting kratom [Re: gopher]
    #26925967 - 09/09/20 09:23 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

It's the easiest thing to look for these days. I'm not exaggerating there's a ton of them.


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Re: quitting kratom [Re: Dilsnique]
    #26925981 - 09/09/20 09:30 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Well, damn.  Just how addictive is it?  I have taken it a few times and it made me feel good & happy, kinda like a low dose of Vicodin.  I was thinking last night about picking some up today to help curb my drinking.





The stuff I have knocks vicodin out of the water.  It’s no heroin, but it is addictive, and withdrawals from it are real and do suck.


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Re: quitting kratom [Re: lowbrow]
    #26926025 - 09/09/20 09:58 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I've gotten batches that where 2.5 grams would have your head spinning, and more would make you feel like shit,  I believe its mostly harvested in many places in sept, so late sept/early oct is the time to buy, but some places may have more frequent harvest.. I don't enough to say with any authority.


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Re: quitting kratom [Re: Ice9]
    #26926035 - 09/09/20 10:08 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I’m probably a kratom lightweight, a gram would be an overindulgent waste with my stuff, but Im starting to think it might just be me.


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Re: quitting kratom [Re: lowbrow]
    #26926040 - 09/09/20 10:11 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Hey, that's a good thing, cheap date and all  :rofl2:


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Re: quitting kratom [Re: gopher]
    #26926360 - 09/09/20 01:22 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Gopher you should get your girlfriend to keep your supply at her place and ration it out for you.


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Re: quitting kratom [Re: ninja cat 09]
    #26926432 - 09/09/20 02:17 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Taking some kratom before running makes it soooo much easier! A lot easier to injure yourself too though...





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No other plant/herb or synthetic/man-made drug gives me as much raw-natural energy & stamina as kratom does. Nothing else comes anywhere close to providing the amount of energy/strength & stamina that kratom does for me.

And it's a very "natural" & "raw" feeling energy...It's not like I'm stimulated or wired or amped up, I don't even actually feel "high" in anyway, but with kratom in my system I can go & go & go & go with out much of any fatigue at all.

I take kratom daily anyways...but taking kratom before going on a long bike ride or while hiking/back packing in the mountains with a 40lb+ pack on the back or other similar physically demanding activities is real nice. Gets me in the "zone".

I've been super curious what component of kratom provides this increase in energy/strength & stamina, or what is going on pharmacologically....It feels like I'm able to tap into the true potential of the energy in my body/cells and in some ways it kinda feels like there's more oxygen flowing through out my muscles & circulatory system. For a long time now I've wondered what is going on there, because no other herb or drug comes anywhere close to giving me the strength & stamina that kratom gives me.








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Okay so I totally screwed that up. I just looked at what I ordered and I'm getting a little over a half a kilo that'll last me 2 weeks. So, disregard that. My mistake.






Still tho...going through a kilo every month is a massive amount of kratom lol. 12 kilos in a year, JFC :crazy: lol.

1.5 kilo lasts me an entire year. A couple months ago I placed a new order for kratom for the first time in over 2 years lol.

Costs me less than a cheap cup of coffee per day.








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I've gotten batches that where 2.5 grams would have your head spinning, and more would make you feel like shit,  I believe its mostly harvested in many places in sept, so late sept/early oct is the time to buy, but some places may have more frequent harvest.. I don't enough to say with any authority.





Even tho I've been taking this leaf basically daily for 8+ years now...

...I still can't really take any more than 4g to 5g at once. Taking more than 4g to 5g at one time makes me feel like shit. Makes me dizzy, light headed, nauseated, hot/sweaty, headaches, difficulty focusing, just all around feeling like crap.

1.5g to 2g taken twice a day is my dose...I've been taking that same dose around the same time of day for 8+ years now and it still works very well for me.







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Re: quitting kratom [Re: openmind]
    #26926725 - 09/09/20 04:46 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Have you ever tried to stop?


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Re: quitting kratom [Re: pslyke]
    #26928177 - 09/10/20 12:15 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Have you ever tried to stop?





I'm not sure if you're asking me that question?


But no, I haven't tried to stop taking kratom. I've gone a few days with out it here & there over the years but I have no reason to and no desire to stop taking this leaf at the moment.

I'm not taking this leaf to get high/chase a buzz all day, I take it was a "medicine" for the same reasons one would be prescribed a SSRI and/or benzo and/or adderall. I take no more than 2 teaspoons a day of kratom (about 4g or less). I'd rather take this leaf than take a SSRI, benzos, adderall, etc. I also feel this leaf works better than those medications for the reasons I take it, this leaf has far less side effects than those medications, and this leaf is far cheaper than those medications.

This leaf brings benefit to my life/days and isn't detrimental to my life, it isn't detrimental to my health/my body (I actually feel it offers benefits to one's health/body), and my use of this leaf isn't detrimental to the people around me so I have no reason or desire to stop taking it. I do have some mild physical dependence on the leaf but I'm OK with that. I understand and I'm very aware of the fact that I'll experience some mild to moderate W/D when I choose to stop taking the leaf daily and I'm OK with that. I fully understand what it is I'm working with and how "deep" I am with it in regards to being physically dependent on it (not all that deep). I choose to continue taking this leaf daily and I have no problem with it.

Sometime in the next year or two when I'm in a better place in life I will make the decision to take a break from taking the leaf daily & using it for the reasons I use it....but kratom is something I plan to have on hand for the rest of my life (hoping it's never banned, I dread such a thing). Kratom is a lovely plant/tool/medicine to have on hand and has a lot to offer in various ways. The leaf is also loaded with anti-oxidants and other components that are beneficial to one's health.






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Re: quitting kratom [Re: openmind]
    #26928215 - 09/10/20 12:36 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Have you actually weighed your teaspoon? theres a lot of controversy about using teaspoons, but its what I use too

I have a white teaspoon and have weighed it over a dozen times and it usually comes out to 2.3g

I have a red teaspoon that I have weighed a couple times and it was more like 2.5g

I heard different vendors have different grinds and a teaspoon from different vendors will weigh different amounts, but I have only ever bought from 1 vendor so I dont know

and how you load it up could effect it, I scoop out a heaping teaspoon and tap the sides of the spoon till the heap falls off and the teaspoon is flat


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Re: quitting kratom [Re: gopher]
    #26928246 - 09/10/20 01:04 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Have you actually weighed your teaspoon? theres a lot of controversy about using teaspoons, but its what I use too

I have a white teaspoon and have weighed it over a dozen times and it usually comes out to 2.3g

I have a red teaspoon that I have weighed a couple times and it was more like 2.5g

I heard different vendors have different grinds and a teaspoon from different vendors will weigh different amounts, but I have only ever bought from 1 vendor so I dont know

and how you load it up could effect it, I scoop out a heaping teaspoon and tap the sides of the spoon till the heap falls off and the teaspoon is flat





I have weighed it a few times years ago when I first started to take this leaf, just out of curiosity and so I had a reference point for how much I'm actually taking. A level teaspoon was always around 2g to 2.2g the times I weighed it. I've been using the same measuring spoon since I started to take the leaf so it's become my standard "unit" of dosage.

I rarely take a full teaspoon, I take like 8/10ths of a teaspoon....I usually tap the spoon a bit against something so that the leaf powder settles/packs down into the spoon just below the rim of it.

I know the grind/density of the powder can change the weight of the dose when using a measuring spoon/volume to take one's dose....but it's not too drastic. The few times I've got the extremely fine-grind micro-powder I just fill up the spoon a little less than usual.






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Re: quitting kratom [Re: openmind]
    #26928301 - 09/10/20 01:26 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Yep, I was asking you. Thanks for the thorough answer. The reason that I asked is because I felt similar to you. I have stopped three times after lengthy periods of use (multiple years). I never used massive amounts per day; generally keeping to one or 2 doses and not exceeding 10 grams per day.

Each time I stopped the WD symptoms were significantly worse than the time before. After the last hellish discontinuation I have decided not to use kratom again in the future. With that said, I fully acknowledge that I am in the minority with the extent of WD that experience upon discontinuation. I happen to think that kratom, for many people, is a wonderfully therapeutic plant.


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