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    #26531585 - 03/12/20 07:21 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Do bags or tubs produce better yields? I have everything for both including bags, clamps, tubs with drilled holes and poly fill in said holes. Both tubs are in my pics,however I'm not sure which route to take. I'm colonizing 2 lb rye berry bags with two different strains. I have 2 5lb blocks of compost ready to mix when the time comes. At this point I could buy some perlite and do a tub tek or I could fruit in bags. I have 2 humidifiers so keeping the rh up would be easy for tub. But I don't know if I'll necessarily increase my yield in a worthwhile amount by fruiting in tub vs bag. Especially when I consider the increase in risk of contamination.


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Re: Tub or bag for fruiting [Re: Ozzifuss]
    #26531700 - 03/12/20 08:20 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

X amount of substrate and spawn will make a certain amount of mushrooms.
Doesn't matter much if its in a bag a tote or a pile on the floor.


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Re: Tub or bag for fruiting [Re: bw86]
    #26531759 - 03/12/20 09:05 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I think most folks just go for tubs because its more surface area for more mushrooms to grow on faster before a contam has a chance to set in at least for cubes.
But yeah overall yield is like he said^ plus the variables of genetics, good vs bad spawn,  proper conditions, etc. Alot of things go into play for overall yield.
Technically you *Could* get more yield and better biological efficiency by doing a fck ton of smaller subs and fruiting them


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Re: Tub or bag for fruiting [Re: Cootermonkey]
    #26531787 - 03/12/20 09:24 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Ok good call, I suppose last question is do you see any possible issues from fruiting 2 different strains in separate tubs but in the same area?


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Re: Tub or bag for fruiting [Re: Ozzifuss]
    #26531830 - 03/12/20 09:56 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

You’re overthinking this. Once the bags are fully colonized mix them thoroughly with hydrated coir in unmodified tubs. Also you’re not fruiting two different “strains”. The strain is cubensis, the variety name is irrelevant.


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Re: Tub or bag for fruiting [Re: jbgtaa] * 1
    #26532145 - 03/13/20 05:46 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

PERSONALLY, I think tubs are trash, bags are the way to go.


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Re: Tub or bag for fruiting [Re: scifipirate]
    #26532462 - 03/13/20 10:26 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Ok, I think I'll stick with bags for the lessened contamination risk. I'm using a manure based compost for my bulk. Worked very nicely for my last run of GT.


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Re: Tub or bag for fruiting [Re: Ozzifuss]
    #26532530 - 03/13/20 11:05 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Why would bags be less of a contamination risk?


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Re: Tub or bag for fruiting [Re: bw86]
    #26534961 - 03/14/20 02:16 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

The way I see it when it's in a bag it's less exposed to the air, and there's lass open area for contamination to get in. A tub though would be more difficult to keep contamination out of. That's just me looking at it thinking it through though
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Re: Tub or bag for fruiting [Re: Ozzifuss]
    #26535042 - 03/14/20 03:06 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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The way I see it when it's in a bag it's less exposed to the air, and there's lass open area for contamination to get in. A tub though would be more difficult to keep contamination out of. That's just me looking at it thinking it through though
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I understand why you think this way but fruiting is the part of the process that is non sterile. If your spawn is clean it has a degree of contaminant resistance on its own, and adding a top layer of clean bulk substrate can keep contams away as well. Just pasteurize your bulk substrate. FrankHorrigan has an awesome jar pasteurization tek


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Re: Tub or bag for fruiting [Re: bw86]
    #26801770 - 07/03/20 04:17 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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bw86 said:
Why would bags be less of a contamination risk?



Because they can be sterilized. Bags are the choice of professional cultivators, not tubs.


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Re: Tub or bag for fruiting [Re: scifipirate]
    #26801804 - 07/03/20 04:42 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

My next or better current projects setup of mine is like the following: a 1200 cc sterilizable plastic box from kit filled with a thin layer of compost/soil in PC sterilized for a good while. In the PC was a glass of verm and a glass of soil too, since I opened the verm bag some times and had some left over space in the PC. Let cool.Then loaded a fully colonized jar into it, and then another slightly thicker layer of soil/verm. The box isnt filled fully to the edge, rather its filled with ca. 2 cm distance to the edge.This was before three weeks and now its fully colonized, good smelling and knotting now. The lid has a gas exchance modifikation, but I take the lid for fanning some times. I had the thought, that this is some kind of a fusion between bags and tubs in this discussions manner.


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Re: Tub or bag for fruiting [Re: Putrema] * 1
    #26802047 - 07/03/20 06:47 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I stop growing in tubs along time ago.

The advantage of growing in bags:

Each bag get one jar of colonize grain. There for I can grow out allot of clones and mono cultures and follow each bag to see the progress of each culture.

I use tubs to house the bags and control the climate. If I have a contamination problem,I just pull the bag that's presenting the problem and don't have to loose the other bags in the tub.

I don't have to have a full set of colonize jars just to start a tub.

I like the cleanup, It fast...

Harvesting is a breeze, just pull out a bag place It on a table and chop away without any restriction.



I leave some tabs on the sides for lifting the bags straight up and down.

 





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Re: Tub or bag for fruiting [Re: micelio]
    #26924144 - 09/08/20 05:46 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

What’s your recipe for fruiting out of the bag? And what kind of yield are you getting per bag? Looks way simpler


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Re: Tub or bag for fruiting [Re: Ozzifuss] * 1
    #26924176 - 09/08/20 06:29 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Tub


Bag


As you can see the type of fruiting arrangement is irrelevant compared to the other variables.
Bag,tray,bed,bottle,column, mono,,sock*(yea its real) has zero bearing on yeild when properly used. All methods and techniques, just like anything in life , take practice, experience and dialing in. Imo, use what your familiar with if your seeking immediate gratification and yeilding dry fruits sooner rather than down the road when you figure out how to maximize the method of growing your experimenting with. This is just my opinion and experience I'm sharing with you. Waaay too many variables in play to make it that easy and say, "will tubs or bags give higher yeilds" . First off its ultimately the culture, then the substrate, and the monitoring of environmental conditions
. As the cultivator we should be practicing and living by the basic fundamentals that are indeed sterile and aceptic technique.  Proper pasturizing and sterlizing of ALL medias are critical to yeild as well.(definitely agar,lc,grain and substrate)

Now is there benefits to any style of fruiting methods? Absolutely.  Monotub for example is a pretty much open air environment when inoculations take place. Gloved hand mixing of substrate/spawn is common practice and the frequent opening of tubs to monitor, mist and fan. 

Bags could* be different by reducing the time of  having open mouths on the containers.  Such as the cutting and dumping of spawn into opening of substrate bag. Immediate sealing and thorough mixing of spawn and not again opening the fruiting bag until personal cultivators prefrence tells them it's time to either harvest or give fresh air. As some growers do not open bag at all until harvest,  some cut top off bag at full colonization,  some cut some top off at first signs of primordia,  some remove bag all together and fruit the block. ,Lol. As I sit here and type all this i hope this is showing the Original poster the almost unlimited amount of variables at play here. 

Bottom line, yeild is dependent upon much more than fruitng methods. 

By the way, the images above gave very similar yeilds,  it was same substrate and spawn amount and same culture. One was spread out thinner in tub and other much denser in a XLS-A Unicorn bag.

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Re: Tub or bag for fruiting [Re: SannyTIES]
    #26954749 - 09/25/20 04:25 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I really appreciate the info here. Questions on fruiting in the bags: do you dunk after first flush? or just mist?

And if there's pooling water in the bag before pinning, you don't worry about it? Should it be poured out if it's still there when you do open the bag?


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Re: Tub or bag for fruiting [Re: micelio]
    #28117451 - 12/30/22 12:25 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

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micelio said:
I stop growing in tubs along time ago.

The advantage of growing in bags:

Each bag get one jar of colonize grain. There for I can grow out allot of clones and mono cultures and follow each bag to see the progress of each culture.

I use tubs to house the bags and control the climate. If I have a contamination problem,I just pull the bag that's presenting the problem and don't have to loose the other bags in the tub.

I don't have to have a full set of colonize jars just to start a tub.

I like the cleanup, It fast...

Harvesting is a breeze, just pull out a bag place It on a table and chop away without any restriction.



I leave some tabs on the sides for lifting the bags straight up and down.

 








This thread for anyone who’s new to grow bags. Would love to see other people’s success with these and any other helpful tips they might have relating to their experience.


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