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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: A.k.a]
    #26922429 - 09/07/20 05:06 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Jfc. So grim and zif are two vendors? I'm not up to speed with this drama, can anyone give me a tldr? Lol


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Wall.E]
    #26922929 - 09/07/20 12:09 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Zif is not a vendor but he told me he got his original print from a friend who is a SA vendor.
For what it’s worth I tried to get a print from that vendor directly but had trouble with the currency thing. I may try again and see if they have a better system now.

The vendor describes it as a ps. Cubensis var. Natal Super Strain, but there isn’t any reason to believe that he did genetic sequencing or had miscroscopy work done by a mycologist to establish that identification....


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: PsiloPsychIn]
    #26923024 - 09/07/20 12:58 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Just wanna clear the waters abit so as to avoid any further confusion
I am not a vendor
& am not affiliated with the vendor where the NSS strain is being sold
But yes...the prints that Ive circulated to a few members via giveaways/trades did come from grows Ive done that originated from this said vendor...
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Zifozonke]
    #26923196 - 09/07/20 02:29 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

So what the fuck is this from grim aka lol. I gotta have my library in order and I just labeled them "natal" when I put them on agar last night. Just psilocybe cubensis "natal super strength"? Is psilocybe natalensis a real thing then or is it just a myth? Sorry for all the questions, I'm just confused


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Wall.E]
    #26923252 - 09/07/20 03:00 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Wall.E]
    #26923294 - 09/07/20 03:48 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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So what the fuck is this from grim aka lol. I gotta have my library in order and I just labeled them "natal" when I put them on agar last night. Just psilocybe cubensis "natal super strength"? Is psilocybe natalensis a real thing then or is it just a myth? Sorry for all the questions, I'm just confused



I dont recall who I got my original print from. Might have been Zifozonke.

Anyway... where to begin..


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Grimsweeper]
    #26923351 - 09/07/20 04:28 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

lol grim(dude just posted above me, not a vendor) they’re like giant tamps.  I think we got some whack version of it man, seems like the spores we’ve got take forever and make weird shrooms that lay on the ground a lot with the occasional normal ones mixed in. Although you did have some sick ones early on.

We’re not sure if this is a cube or a separate species. I think it’s separate but most people seem to think it’s cube.

A sample was sent for analysis months and months ago but we haven’t heard back yet.


What’s the story on that celestial?? Looks really good.




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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: A.k.a]
    #26923396 - 09/07/20 05:01 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

They may not be beefy but 1st flush was 567g wet and second was 575 so I'm not disappointed. Surface still looks like it'll do a solid 3rd.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Grimsweeper]
    #26923406 - 09/07/20 05:09 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Introduced to fruiting maybe 6 or 7 days ago went on a trip and came back to those couple pins although there’s a lot of knots. It’s a quart 1:2 coir/manure/verm


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Celestialexplorer1]
    #26923455 - 09/07/20 05:35 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I forget that this site is big and people tend to stick to threads. My apologies, I didn't know you guys were users here lol


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Wall.E]
    #26923581 - 09/07/20 06:46 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

For the record there is a mushroom recognized by mycologists as Psilocybe Natalensis. It does come from South Africa. It has a varied appearance but most mushrooms take a variety of phenotypes and often what appears in the field can look quite different from what is grown in tubs.

The species was first identified in the nineties ... if you search this site you will see people were talking about it many years ago.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psilocybe_natalensis

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/286537519_Psilocybe_s_str_Agaricales_Strophariaceae_in_Africa_with_description_of_a_new_species_from_the_Congo

http://www.museocivico.rovereto.tn.it/UploadDocs/104_art09-Guzman%20&%20C.pdf  (See page 202 in journal pagination)


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: PsiloPsychIn]
    #26923635 - 09/07/20 07:13 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I have been just treating it like a normal cube. I am not a mycologist but I kind of assumed that if something that is active and grows/prints like cubes it probably is just a cube :shrug:

I am an enthusiast and grow for fun so I am unsure of the potency. I made a comment a few pages back that the fruits are just too much like spaghetti that they are not worth growing and cleaning. Other members said it packed a heavier punch though (I would give them the benefit of the doubt as they are growers/members that have been around longer than I have).

Don't think there is "drama" going on I just think there was a paper published that may not have been peer reviewed to be valid, just so happens it was around this strain that has been (fortunately) shared by a generous member from the area it was supposedly sourced from.

From my quick glance at the article there does not appear to be any suggestion that the strain is not active but more about its anti-inflammatory qualities. Personally whether or not a strain is anti-inflammatory or not is not the reason I grow so I personally don't really care about the article. I think if you are in a group that really wants psilocybin to be in the medical field (which in many scenarios I personally think it could make sense) you may have a dog in the race but I am not one of those people. I have just been treating it as a cube that is a bitch to harvest.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: CocaineBuffet]
    #26924114 - 09/08/20 05:18 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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For the record there is a mushroom recognized by mycologists as Psilocybe Natalensis. It does come from South Africa. It has a varied appearance but most mushrooms take a variety of phenotypes and often what appears in the field can look quite different from what is grown in tubs.

The species was first identified in the nineties ... if you search this site you will see people were talking about it many years ago.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psilocybe_natalensis

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/286537519_Psilocybe_s_str_Agaricales_Strophariaceae_in_Africa_with_description_of_a_new_species_from_the_Congo

http://www.museocivico.rovereto.tn.it/UploadDocs/104_art09-Guzman%20&%20C.pdf  (See page 202 in journal pagination)




I can barely navigate this site and you want my dumbass to go try and understand another one? :rofl: thanks for the links man

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I have been just treating it like a normal cube. I am not a mycologist but I kind of assumed that if something that is active and grows/prints like cubes it probably is just a cube :shrug:

I am an enthusiast and grow for fun so I am unsure of the potency. I made a comment a few pages back that the fruits are just too much like spaghetti that they are not worth growing and cleaning. Other members said it packed a heavier punch though (I would give them the benefit of the doubt as they are growers/members that have been around longer than I have).

Don't think there is "drama" going on I just think there was a paper published that may not have been peer reviewed to be valid, just so happens it was around this strain that has been (fortunately) shared by a generous member from the area it was supposedly sourced from.

From my quick glance at the article there does not appear to be any suggestion that the strain is not active but more about its anti-inflammatory qualities. Personally whether or not a strain is anti-inflammatory or not is not the reason I grow so I personally don't really care about the article. I think if you are in a group that really wants psilocybin to be in the medical field (which in many scenarios I personally think it could make sense) you may have a dog in the race but I am not one of those people. I have just been treating it as a cube that is a bitch to harvest.




I just finished reading the last 20 pages of the saga that is "natal" so I'm kind of up to speed now. Thanks for your reply, I just read your earlier comment about how you didn't want to give these another go lol


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Wall.E]
    #26924121 - 09/08/20 05:27 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I wouldn't recommend them for a new grower that just wants shrooms. Just like Pans or other exotics it can be a challenging undertaking that's both disappointing and rewarding.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Grimsweeper]
    #26924125 - 09/08/20 05:30 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

That’s for sure.

There’s absolutely no other species I’ve grown where I’d be happy with this shit.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: A.k.a]
    #26924130 - 09/08/20 05:37 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Well I guess we'll see. It's a bit too late grim, spores are already on agar. No stopping the ball now, just gotta learn, apply and hope for the best. I'll post any updates that can help contribute and at this point it seems like anything could be valuable


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Wall.E]
    #26924142 - 09/08/20 05:43 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

You’ll definitely get shrooms out of it, it just might be 20% of what you’d normally get and take way longer.


But then a few people have had killer grows right off the bat. Hopefully you’ll get a good one and dispel my half theory that the prints we both have are cursed.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: A.k.a]
    #26924148 - 09/08/20 05:53 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I just skimmed through the paper in the last link and happened to stop on I think page 7. One of the guys claims that sleeping in a room full of fresh mushrooms they had collected that day made him trip even though he didn’t eat any.

I’m going with somebody slipped a couple in his food, or he’s very susceptible to placebo type stuff.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: A.k.a]
    #26924150 - 09/08/20 05:56 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Maybe. I'm taking the jcm route with transfers and just gonna transfer whatever is fastest growing. It doesn't seem like there is any consensus on what the myc should look like to produce good flushes, so i can't see a fault in this logic right now. Maybe that'll change but idk


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: A.k.a]
    #26924151 - 09/08/20 05:57 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

IME once you get a couple expansions from MS or expand a clone too much is when it turns to garbage. Don't take it as gospel but that's been my experience. I didn't bother to take clones this time and when I do grow these again it will be from MS.

I betting I get one more flush of beefy boys then I'm out for a while til I'm bored with other projects.


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