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Re: Wavy cap, monotub help/thoughts [Re: 99.99]
    #26920260 - 09/05/20 10:30 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

That substate you have looks REALLY dark for alder chip sawdust? Almost looks like a compost, did you case your bins with anything? Looks like a soil almost..


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Re: Wavy cap, monotub help/thoughts [Re: blackberry]
    #26920330 - 09/06/20 12:07 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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That substate you have looks REALLY dark for alder chip sawdust? Almost looks like a compost, did you case your bins with anything? Looks like a soil almost..




Yes i did case with 80/20 peatmoss  because the 90° weather was drying out the alder very bad
I still need to water these daily, but they’re to the point now where all the alder sawdust is basically one giant lump so when I water them it floats

NOTE,I did nothing to the alder sawdust I picked it up from the manufacture, no pasteurized no sterilize nothing

I Melted an 1/8 inch hole  in the bottom about every 6 inches so the tub would drain all excess water


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Re: Wavy cap, monotub help/thoughts [Re: 99.99]
    #26920345 - 09/06/20 12:33 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks man, that's exactly the info i needed. Your awsome bro.


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Re: Wavy cap, monotub help/thoughts [Re: 99.99]
    #26923490 - 09/07/20 05:55 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)



Added 1/4 1/2 of fine alder shavings as a top casing. If it eats through it, i imagine i may just get them to pin. Maybe, last ditch effort


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Re: Wavy cap, monotub help/thoughts [Re: blackberry]
    #26923509 - 09/07/20 06:08 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Do you think if recase with coco, knocking/delaying them until alder chips arrive, add alder at that point, they may actually pin?
I ordered fine and chunky..



Cyans start pinning based on temperature. Alder chips are definitely a strong choice for substrate.  They won't pin until night temps are in the low 50's or high forties. It's tough to get them to fruit indoors because of this. Outdoors, they are easy, if you live in the right place.  See this thread: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24818076/page/1

Chunky chips are fine, BTW.  Mine are 1"x1"x1/4"


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Re: Wavy cap, monotub help/thoughts [Re: OldManRiver]
    #26923554 - 09/07/20 06:32 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Once they / if they eat up the top casing of alders. Ill make sure the room sucks in that cool nighttime air when the light is off.. and set it to turn off at 50 degrees.
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Re: Wavy cap, monotub help/thoughts [Re: blackberry]
    #26923562 - 09/07/20 06:36 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Once they / if they eat up the top casing of alders. Ill make sure the room sucks in that cool nighttime air when the light is off.. and set it to turn off at 50 degrees.
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My guess is that they will eat those chips quickly. Cyans are aggressive.  Don't know if you read that thread, I've had them spread 2 feet in a month.


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Re: Wavy cap, monotub help/thoughts [Re: OldManRiver]
    #26923866 - 09/07/20 09:26 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

That thread is as good as 99.9% as far as success.. thanks. I did not have time to boil the alder at 150 like you did. Just shook water in the bag to hydrate and got the fuck out of there after adding the casing. Honestly, im surprised its not contaminated being it was my first time doing this.
Looks positive from your post ill be able to use my BRF PF cakes i made as a last ditch effort. Id love to get them outside asap, but i may of misses that boat. Looks like it was cold when you did it tho.. so.. may work out. Im also PNW. So. Thanks alot man, between yours/99.9, i have plenty of info to be succeasful, eventually.
I have alder now, and 9 jars 1/2 colonized. I will get it dammit.


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Re: Wavy cap, monotub help/thoughts [Re: blackberry]
    #26923876 - 09/07/20 09:32 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks, both of you.


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Re: Wavy cap, monotub help/thoughts [Re: blackberry]
    #26923888 - 09/07/20 09:37 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, you're late for this year to be expanding a bed, I'm afraid. Cyans aren't like cubes, you have to wait for the season. Normal fruiting in the portland area is first week of October. I started the bed in march, now three years ago. Good crop first year, incredible crop the second. Wondering what this year will be like.  I have about three cubic yards of sawmill alder chips on them at this point.  Two beds of cyans, and one of azures. 

When the weather turns cooler, just put that outside somewhere shady, and see what happens.


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Re: Wavy cap, monotub help/thoughts [Re: OldManRiver]
    #26924426 - 09/08/20 10:06 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Its settled then, all the cyan pf cakes will go in an outdoor alder bed, setup like yours. Ill give them one more week in the jars and out they go, ready or not.
I will set my intake and exhaust to stop running at 50° in my room and cross my fingers on these tubs. Will layer on more alder every couple weeks until the temp drops.
Will order golden teachers, seem to be the most popular, for indoor future grows and start up more cyan grains in december to prepare for march outdoor beds.
Thanks for all your help guys.. after months of reaearching, i gave up trying to find relevent threads, i never would have seen yours had you not reached out.
If successful on these tubs, ill update the thread.


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Re: Wavy cap, monotub help/thoughts [Re: blackberry]
    #26924429 - 09/08/20 10:07 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

(Or agar) thx 99


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Re: Wavy cap, monotub help/thoughts [Re: blackberry]
    #26925079 - 09/08/20 06:04 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Its settled then, all the cyan pf cakes will go in an outdoor alder bed, setup like yours. Ill give them one more week in the jars and out they go, ready or not.
I will set my intake and exhaust to stop running at 50° in my room and cross my fingers on these tubs. Will layer on more alder every couple weeks until the temp drops.
Will order golden teachers, seem to be the most popular, for indoor future grows and start up more cyan grains in december to prepare for march outdoor beds.
Thanks for all your help guys.. after months of reaearching, i gave up trying to find relevent threads, i never would have seen yours had you not reached out.
If successful on these tubs, ill update the thread.



Once you have them going outside, no need for further inside work (grain, PFTek, etc).  Just spread colonized chips from the first bed.  A couple of cups is enough.  You will be pleasantly surprised by how fast they spread.


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Re: Wavy cap, monotub help/thoughts [Re: OldManRiver]
    #26928438 - 09/10/20 02:37 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Im kinda thinking that because I have a room in the garage that sucks in and exhausts air, with a temperature controller, once we see colder days i can for sure get that temp down to 50's when the light is off.
Think I may be able to be successful with these, if they dont get contaminated between now and when the weather lifts.
Pretty sure here in washington, all i need to do is wait a few weeks and were going to get some cold fronts.

You are absolutely right. The second I actually added the alder, even as a casing layer. They are devouring it extremely quickly. Suprisingly so. Ive never wanted the summer to end so quickly in this state.
So many options, but ill probably be mixing coco and alder in 2 more tubs, break up pftek cakes and do some more inside here in the coming months.
I have more vials of cyans in the fridge.. ill work on that outdoor bed next year. I think its about time to start a journal.


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Re: Wavy cap, monotub help/thoughts [Re: blackberry]
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Re: Wavy cap, monotub help/thoughts [Re: blackberry]
    #26929069 - 09/10/20 09:34 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Im kinda thinking that because I have a room in the garage that sucks in and exhausts air, with a temperature controller, once we see colder days i can for sure get that temp down to 50's when the light is off.
Think I may be able to be successful with these, if they dont get contaminated between now and when the weather lifts.
Pretty sure here in washington, all i need to do is wait a few weeks and were going to get some cold fronts.

You are absolutely right. The second I actually added the alder, even as a casing layer. They are devouring it extremely quickly. Suprisingly so. Ive never wanted the summer to end so quickly in this state.
So many options, but ill probably be mixing coco and alder in 2 more tubs, break up pftek cakes and do some more inside here in the coming months.
I have more vials of cyans in the fridge.. ill work on that outdoor bed next year. I think its about time to start a journal.




I wouldn't waste time with the coir. These aren't cubes, and coir is a cube thang. Coir's purpose is to store water for cubes. It is non-nutritional. Just get more chips, as green as possible. DM me if you'd like the number of my chip source.  They are up in Napavine, WA.  $75 will get you a truck load, and their chips are perfect. Cyans grow actively throughout the winter, except in the coldest spells.  There is no downside to starting soon.

We'll see fruiting within a few weeks.  It's supposed to get cool and rain next week. My bed started popping by 9/20 last year.


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Re: Wavy cap, monotub help/thoughts [Re: OldManRiver]
    #26929195 - 09/10/20 11:30 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Well, i saw a huge green spot after moving them to a colder area amd turning on an led light. Basically highlighted it. Dumped aome hydogen peroxide on the spot. But ultimately decided to take it outside, bury it in my flower bed, throw some alder chips on, and then some red multch to make it match. Threw the green spot in a different bed thats more in the sun.. sucks, but whats done is done.
These were my first bins, i expected a 100% loss. Hopefully the 4 inch by 10 inch blocks buried will do well. I put in a sprinkler system years ago they will be well taken care of in that spot.
Either got mold because the chips were too wet, or got mold because i didnt pasturize my chips first. Either way, 2 lessons to learn from.

The other bin will probably show signs of contanimation, if not, it will be hit with cold fronts within the next couple of weeks. I split the bag of chips between two bins, i dont have much hope for it

But i still have my pfteks, i will pasturize alder chips and throe them in a tub when they are ready.

Thanks for the coir tips, i use coir for other things so it came to mind quickly. If my wife didnt love the red multch, id throw alder everywhere on my property. I should talk to her about a more "natural" landscape. And run mycelium around my entire houses sprinkler system flower beds.

Im going to be burying it under the first inch in the meantime.


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Re: Wavy cap, monotub help/thoughts [Re: blackberry]
    #26943325 - 09/18/20 11:20 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I read plants like 6500, im so used to fIowering under a mix of red and blue its fucking with me. Just changed from red to blue led. From "flower" to 'veg" mode


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    #26943891 - 09/19/20 11:03 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)



Under the bark, bright white goodness


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    #26943900 - 09/19/20 11:10 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)



And the mobotub mycelium looks wonderful too. Finally hitting 50° nights. Fingers crossed.


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