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Re: Cant get conditions right.. [Re: Enkidu]
    #26916447 - 09/03/20 09:17 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

op do you think you got in to that part of gene pool that goes way to well on agar and grains but never fruits? i am just saying happened to me on amazon variety every thing went well till it reach to fruiting stage. nothing after three weeks i gave up toss the entire tray.


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Re: Cant get conditions right.. [Re: pesa] * 1
    #26916791 - 09/04/20 05:01 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Idk man.. Maybe

That would suck


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Re: Cant get conditions right.. [Re: Enkidu]
    #26917092 - 09/04/20 09:42 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I think that has more to do with conditions than genetics


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Re: Cant get conditions right.. [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #26917178 - 09/04/20 10:23 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I guess the only way to find out would be to pinch some mike of of the grow and put it back on agar, or maybe just get more spores going and hope it was just a genetic fluke :goodluck:


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Re: Cant get conditions right.. [Re: Hikeadellic]
    #26917260 - 09/04/20 11:11 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I think if i got the conditions right it would be good but i cant get anything dialed in and i only look at it like once a day cause of being busy and what not


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Re: Cant get conditions right.. [Re: Enkidu]
    #26917994 - 09/04/20 06:48 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

See where it goes, it's possible if you do a dunk maybe flush 2 will put out, I've seen it, how was your field capacity?


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Re: Cant get conditions right.. [Re: PreparationH]
    #26918659 - 09/05/20 05:33 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I thought my field capacity was good

I think my top layer was too dry though


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Re: Cant get conditions right.. [Re: Enkidu]
    #26918922 - 09/05/20 09:35 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I just did a few tubs that looked like this about -4 days to fruit. The only one that failed was a b+ corn:coir/verm 1:1 mix that essentially was exactly the same as it's neighbor, except I decided to keep the tub sealed most of the time on that B+ and everything else I took the tops off entirely to see the difference between good fae and good humidity as far as triggering pins. the B+ looked great while everything else finished first flush... then I finally gave it a wiff... Bacterial destruction. straight mush to the touch but you'd never have known by looking.


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Re: Cant get conditions right.. [Re: travels_slightly]
    #26920517 - 09/06/20 06:26 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Ive always basically just spawned shoeboxes and left the lid latched and a huge pinset would develop then i would dub it

Always been pretty hands off


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Re: Cant get conditions right.. [Re: gabbk]
    #26920726 - 09/06/20 08:59 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I took the nastiest jar for the photo. You can see some white 'branches' between the mycelium or even against the glass.  That's the bacteria I'm talking about and gotta pay close attention because it can go undercover, specially if you are managing lots of jars at the same time :rofl:. Sometimes it won't be as easy to spot, but hope it helps for the next runs!






The white branches in that pic on the right is rhizomorphic mycelium, not bacteria. Please don't encourage people to chuck their jars when they see that.


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Re: Cant get conditions right.. [Re: FooMan]
    #26920734 - 09/06/20 09:02 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

The random long branches of rhizos pressed up against the glass have been noted as signs of bacteria however.


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Re: Cant get conditions right.. [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #26920925 - 09/06/20 10:37 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Source?


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Re: Cant get conditions right.. [Re: FooMan]
    #26921074 - 09/06/20 12:18 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

It was a discussion several of us had in general discussion years ago. Im not digging it up.
Either way that jar is bacterial


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Re: Cant get conditions right.. [Re: FooMan]
    #26921155 - 09/06/20 01:07 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks for coming by Foo.

I can't agree with you, as I've spawned both of these jars separated and the left one (the one I say it's clean) gave immensely more tidy and stronger flushes, with earlier pins. At the other hand, the one at the right took longer and gave lot less yield (at least a third less).
In fact it's not the first time it occurs to me. I had now a few grows (without knowing or telling the difference in the mycelium) and had tubs growing much better than the other. Both being from the same genetics (not MS).

Its a pity I can't prove it because I didn't record these grows with pictures but only with registering the final numbers and dates in my laptop. But that's my own meandering experience. I don't see the point on sharing nonsense or to chit chat.
When I began I thought it could be stronger mycelium, as it grew so fast, just in a matter of two days. Then I searched and found out blobs were from bacteria. And then found out all these tubs with fast growing blobs came from these jars with "mycelium pressing against the glass", which you say is rhizomorphic. At one point I thought it was maybe rhizomorphic too, but the fact that this particular "rhizomorphic mycelium" was impervious to water weirded me out, as these grows tended to flood pools of water. Eventually I began to pulling out better agar technique without knowing, and the more I got better grows I finally could tell the difference between bacterial and healthy mycelium. I concluded that in MY case that bacterial spawn was carried in the inoculum, the agar. You can see what I'm talking about in the following thread I've made, in which Pasty helped me to understand the issue: Wrinkles on agar?

And aside from that. Just an extra fun note: I saw a post some months ago in reddit, can't recall exactly which sub, in which someone shared a microscopic video (converted to gif) of bacterial activity replicating INSIDE the mycelium. At that moment I understood why some of my grows went better that others.
I screenshoted it with my phone to share it with some friends of mine that were interested on my updates. I know sharing a random photo proves nothing but I'm sure you can find the original post by somehow looking up the image:



I'm not encouraging to throw these bacterial jars. The opposite! They can be spawned and pump some fruitbodies, but know that there will be way less than an optimal spawn. Also, the condition of having an underlying competitor (the bacteria) weakens the fungi and make it more susceptible to contamination.

Just that. I'm just trying to promote better agar technique and the ability to recognize the correct mycelium :grin:.


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Re: Cant get conditions right.. [Re: tryptkaloids] * 2
    #26922562 - 09/07/20 07:46 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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It was a discussion several of us had in general discussion years ago. Im not digging it up.
Either way that jar is bacterial




I wasn't aware the council on contaminants had a discussion about it. That settles it then. My bad.


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Re: Cant get conditions right.. [Re: FooMan]
    #26922884 - 09/07/20 11:50 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I took the nastiest jar for the photo. You can see some white 'branches' between the mycelium or even against the glass.  That's the bacteria I'm talking about and gotta pay close attention because it can go undercover, specially if you are managing lots of jars at the same time :rofl:. Sometimes it won't be as easy to spot, but hope it helps for the next runs!






The white branches in that pic on the right is rhizomorphic mycelium, not bacteria. Please don't encourage people to chuck their jars when they see that.



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Source?



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It was a discussion several of us had in general discussion years ago. Im not digging it up.
Either way that jar is bacterial




I wasn't aware the council on contaminants had a discussion about it. That settles it then. My bad.





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Re: Cant get conditions right.. [Re: junk_f00d]
    #26923264 - 09/07/20 03:12 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Well... Either way..

I tried casing them with verm so im still trying

Will update..

Have some pins and some mushrooms but far far from the half lb i was hoping for..

More like 2g atm...


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Re: Cant get conditions right.. [Re: Enkidu]
    #26923900 - 09/07/20 09:51 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Never count your shrooms before they dry


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Re: Cant get conditions right.. [Re: Hikeadellic]
    #26954571 - 09/25/20 02:22 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Soo update.

All those tubs failed. Like 2g total harvest.

Replaced almost all of them. Have a mono and 6 shoeboxes.

Paid more attention to my sub prep and my top layer. I think i was maybe a bit rusty and lazy jumping back in.

Updated my mono and used Pasty's tek with the 1/4 inch holes. Seems to be working well

Good surface conditions and starting to pin

Everything this go is looking much better

Some of the shoeboxes are starting to pin too, but nothing really worth sharing yet


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Re: Cant get conditions right.. [Re: Enkidu]
    #26954598 - 09/25/20 02:38 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

There are times when extreme rhizo sectors flying off grain have been identified as a symptom of bacteria but, the jars above do not qualify. The rhizomorphs need to be leaping uncolonized areas in a disorganized pattern. This seems to be a difficult distinction for people as I’ve had to correct a few people of late on it.


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