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A hostile feeling entity keeps appearing and taking my mind hostage
#26920840 - 09/06/20 09:50 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hi, so I've again had to take a long break from psychedelics because these encounters I've had while tripping. I really want to vent about it and maybe get some input.
Have you ever been listening to your music eyes closed and having a great trip, when in the corner of your vision an entity appears and you absolutely cannot tear your mind's eye away from it? This has started happening quite regularly since a fateful trip last winter and the entity always looks exactly the same: A wriggling patch of cloth from a pair of shorts, colored in a red, white and black digital camo pattern. It gets closer and all other visions fade out. If I don't fight back it sucks me in and everything becomes that pattern and I see it with eyes open. I can usually accept everything as they come, but this thing legitimately scares me. My brain freezes and my consciousness becomes nothing but the ass end of fucking shorts of all things and I don't want that. I let it consume me the first time this happened, and since then it has been a regular unwanted visitor to my mind. It's the most boring vision imaginable, how can it force my mind in this way?
I remember my last trip vividly, it had been a few months since I tripped and I was going very deep. Then, suddenly this thing slaps itself on top of the vision I was going through and starts spreading. I thought "NOPE NOPE NOPE" and aggressively shook it from my mind and was able to get back to where I was, but it came back many times until I had to put on a movie and abandon the trip.
Liberty cap season is around the corner and I want to hunt some and trip once again, but I want to find out what's causing this. Am I just going insane or am I missing something here?
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Re: A hostile feeling entity keeps appearing and taking my mind hostage [Re: Turvenuija] 1
#26920862 - 09/06/20 10:03 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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It’s just something made up by your own mind. I wouldn’t fight it at all, there’s really no point to doing so, and doing so just reinforces a imputed narrative made up to fit the event & your reaction to it (which is basically one in the same while tripping), which on hallucinogenics - will sometimes just reinforce the illusory situation. Just remember it’s your own hallucination and it’s only temporary. If experienced with cognitive emptiness & clarity, you may not have so much trouble with your own brain’s creative ideation as influenced & made manifest by the psilocybin. You may just see right through it.
You may even find a way to enjoi it - that is - if it’s truly the only thing you can hallucinate / always keeps coming back. Give it some even-minded cool-headed attention and I guarantee it dissipates/transforms eventually.
Or if none of that works... you could always try eating it...
Regardless of what you do, or don’t do, remember to have fun with it
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Edited by The Blind Ass (09/08/20 09:09 AM)
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Turvenuija
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Re: A hostile feeling entity keeps appearing and taking my mind hostage [Re: Turvenuija]
#26920913 - 09/06/20 10:32 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah I agree, fighting it or trying to make it go away only makes me think of it more and it probably keeps coming back because I'm not letting it go. Also by making this thread and imagining it sober I'm probably only reinforcing the idea of the all consuming evil shorts monster in my brain. It won't taste very good I imagine, but I'll try eating it next time if it keeps bothering me. Thanks 
"Eat my shorts" -Bart Simpson
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Re: A hostile feeling entity keeps appearing and taking my mind hostage [Re: Turvenuija] 1
#26921479 - 09/06/20 04:08 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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when it comes to such things, I have heard that the idea is to welcome it and see if it needs some refreshments - you wont understand it as such if you don't talk with it.
some people even talk with their steering wheels while driving a difficult piece of road.
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Re: A hostile feeling entity keeps appearing and taking my mind hostage [Re: redgreenvines]
#26921546 - 09/06/20 04:36 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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As above, my suggestion is make friends with it! Maybe the shorts will fit you? 
I wonder if the whole "imagine everyone in the room is naked" thing works in a situation where your mind is the room... lol
I hope you're able to overcome this and get to where you want to be.
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Re: A hostile feeling entity keeps appearing and taking my mind hostage [Re: PsycheDerek]
#26921584 - 09/06/20 05:02 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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If you're tripping in the same location every time it could be an entity that lives in that spot. If not, it could be attached to you, or something you only encounter in trips, use your best discernment, it's not allowed in your space if you don't want it to be, get some mapacho tobacco before and during traveling
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Re: A hostile feeling entity keeps appearing and taking my mind hostage [Re: Eclipse3130]
#26922303 - 09/07/20 01:46 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Catch it
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Re: A hostile feeling entity keeps appearing and taking my mind hostage [Re: LosTresOjos]
#26922327 - 09/07/20 02:39 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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As mentioned above - Mapacho. I personally use White Sage and Palo Santo. I HIGHLY recommend you to use them during your trip.
In my pre sage era I had similar encounter with negative entity for couple of trips until i dosed hefty amount of cannabis at the peak. Feels like she annihilated that entity in a minute.
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Turvenuija
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Re: A hostile feeling entity keeps appearing and taking my mind hostage [Re: MrStinkyShrooman]
#26922459 - 09/07/20 05:58 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'll pass on the mapacho, I don't smoke and getting it where I live would be a hassle and probably expensive. What kind of effect does it have on a trip? I'm a little curious.
I've given the shorts entity some thought and the whole situation and my paranoia is starting to sound more funny than scary so I should be fine. Still, among all the otherworldly things I've seen that thing is one of the weirdest. While tripping it doesn't feel like it's coming from my head at all.
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Re: A hostile feeling entity keeps appearing and taking my mind hostage [Re: redgreenvines] 2
#26922483 - 09/07/20 06:27 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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redgreenvines said: when it comes to such things, I have heard that the idea is to welcome it and see if it needs some refreshments - you wont understand it as such if you don't talk with it.
some people even talk with their steering wheels while driving a difficult piece of road.
This is the best idea.
If you're feeling a "malevolent presence" or similar, it's more than likely a part of your mind that's in turmoil or has gone unheard, possibly some unresolved conflict or self-loathing or something similar.
Invite it in as a friend. Tell it / this part of yourself that you're here, ready to listen, to whatever he needs to tell and teach you. That's why he's here, because he's gone unheard, and "he's" just angry and needing resolution. Even try to imagine hugging him and treating him as you would a friend or a loved one. He's part of you, and if you're unable to treat a part of yourself with such affection and tenderness then there's a problem right there. I would absolutely not dismiss it, and I also wouldn't completely right this off as a chemical/physiological abnormality.
I've done this sort of thing when I had recurring nightmare figures, and the moment you face them and embrace them they always transform into something less threatening and even endearing.
This is why we're doing this sort of stuff, isn't it? To learn about ourselves, to self develop, confront, grow. This is part of your journey my friend, and the teacher has presented himself. Is the student ready?
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Re: A hostile feeling entity keeps appearing and taking my mind hostage [Re: Turvenuija]
#26922491 - 09/07/20 06:32 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Man I wish I made this thread right after it started happening, great advice.
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Re: A hostile feeling entity keeps appearing and taking my mind hostage [Re: Turvenuija] 1
#26922500 - 09/07/20 06:42 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Befriending dream characters or psychedelic entities - or meeting & greeting the entire trip & yourself with an impeccable attitude of gentle kindness & understanding can do wonders for your own mind & the trip, in so much as it is a reflection of it. It will reflect that back. Just open the door of your own heart to yourself and invite your self in - warts and all. Then, the trips are pretty nice.
Much better than bringing yourself & the trip ill-will, worry, doubt, obduracy of mind, etc. Although more difficult to work with, even they can. present wonderful learning tools/hallucinogenic opportunities if dealt with skillfully if that’s what’s brought to the trip & becomes incorporated into it.
Your head & heart - all up to you.
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Edited by The Blind Ass (09/07/20 07:01 AM)
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Re: A hostile feeling entity keeps appearing and taking my mind hostage [Re: Turvenuija]
#26922511 - 09/07/20 06:59 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I feel like I knew and acted upon all that back when I started out with tripping and growing but I must have changed for the worse while taking time off. Trips were always good in the end, all the scary things turned into beauty when I embraced them. I have been demoralized and wondering why this hasn't been the case this year at all, maybe this is why.
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Re: A hostile feeling entity keeps appearing and taking my mind hostage [Re: Turvenuija] 1
#26922523 - 09/07/20 07:11 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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next time say "I love you" over and over to it.
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Re: A hostile feeling entity keeps appearing and taking my mind hostage [Re: Turvenuija] 1
#26922526 - 09/07/20 07:14 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Happens to the best of us. I think now that you’ve given it some attention, investigated, and recognized & remembered that essential link between hallucinations & the Heart-Mind- that your future experiences have the potential to be more healing, enriching/insightful, & magical.
Hip hip hooray!
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Re: A hostile feeling entity keeps appearing and taking my mind hostage [Re: Turvenuija]
#26922536 - 09/07/20 07:25 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thanks! I'll head to my usual liberty cap spot tomorrow, it's been raining for a few days and the nights have been cold so maybe I'll get lucky.
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Re: A hostile feeling entity keeps appearing and taking my mind hostage [Re: Turvenuija]
#26923096 - 09/07/20 01:29 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Turvenuija said: Hi, so I've again had to take a long break from psychedelics because these encounters I've had while tripping. I really want to vent about it and maybe get some input.
Have you ever been listening to your music eyes closed and having a great trip, when in the corner of your vision an entity appears and you absolutely cannot tear your mind's eye away from it? This has started happening quite regularly since a fateful trip last winter and the entity always looks exactly the same: A wriggling patch of cloth from a pair of shorts, colored in a red, white and black digital camo pattern. It gets closer and all other visions fade out. If I don't fight back it sucks me in and everything becomes that pattern and I see it with eyes open. I can usually accept everything as they come, but this thing legitimately scares me. My brain freezes and my consciousness becomes nothing but the ass end of fucking shorts of all things and I don't want that. I let it consume me the first time this happened, and since then it has been a regular unwanted visitor to my mind. It's the most boring vision imaginable, how can it force my mind in this way?
I remember my last trip vividly, it had been a few months since I tripped and I was going very deep. Then, suddenly this thing slaps itself on top of the vision I was going through and starts spreading. I thought "NOPE NOPE NOPE" and aggressively shook it from my mind and was able to get back to where I was, but it came back many times until I had to put on a movie and abandon the trip.
Liberty cap season is around the corner and I want to hunt some and trip once again, but I want to find out what's causing this. Am I just going insane or am I missing something here?
I think maybe you're having an ocular aura of some sort (they precede migraines often). I get those occasionally without the migraines and the first time one appeared while tripping it was freaky, but something about tripping seems to trigger it fairly often. It starts small and grows with this disturbance of vision inside and at the edge it's different coruscating colors - visible eyes open or closed, right on top of everything else.
Really harmless actually just a pain in the ass, lasts maybe 15-20 minutes sometimes.
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Re: A hostile feeling entity keeps appearing and taking my mind hostage [Re: PrimalSoup]
#26923178 - 09/07/20 02:23 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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so there you have it. a spirit of the space you use. (you should try to make peace) or a synthesis of reality expressed as an entity (you should still make peace)
In any case it makes sense to treat all strangers with hospitality - you never know if they might be an angel in disguise.
this is the spirit of philoxenia, and it works really well. making friends with strangers.
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Re: A hostile feeling entity keeps appearing and taking my mind hostage [Re: redgreenvines] 1
#26923384 - 09/07/20 04:52 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I once had an entity tell me that none of the creatures in the hyperspace realm could actually harm me. At this point in my life I'd had terrible entity attacks, scorpions, demons, light stealers, real horror show stuff. But that one experience put an end to all of that. I started to view everything I encountered as a new source of beauty. Even my most difficult trips after that, even where I believed I had truly died and that my body was destroyed and there was no way back, still appeared wordlessly wonderful.
As with all in life fear is the true enemy.
Scary entities are just as much of a mind trick as sexy ones. Just the result is far less pleasant to accept.
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Re: A hostile feeling entity keeps appearing and taking my mind hostage [Re: Northerner]
#26923583 - 09/07/20 06:47 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Try and talk to it. How often do you get to interact with an entity? Just don't let it influence this reality to much.
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