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Zenn
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Re: Fungus gnats [Re: Zenn]
#26820856 - 07/13/20 10:59 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ok, today still a couple gnats in box so I'm guessing eggs/larvae hiding perhaps in the worm castings used in a lower casing level. I have removed the jar and just submerged the brick in its tub with water and 3% hydrogen peroxide (the only strength I have rn). 4 litres of water and had to weigh down the brick, so decided to wrap it in its liner to reduce possible surface damage. Water on the inside and outside of the liner. Need to try down any wee buggers hiding in there before trying any more drastic measures that might harm myc.
Quick edit: having an idea that might help me here due to it being ps cyanescens we have...... cooling the room seems even more important right now, since they love the cold and gnats do not. Gnats like it above 20°C and our little brick here likes it right down to about 4°C ....
Edited by Zenn (07/13/20 11:07 AM)
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Re: Fungus gnats [Re: Zenn]
#26820912 - 07/13/20 11:26 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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When you try again I would try fruiting in a filter patch bag
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Re: Fungus gnats [Re: Thekd95]
#26820965 - 07/13/20 11:47 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Normally for cubensis I do brf cakes to bulk. Never had gnat problems with them before. Yet. I'm sure this has happened due to not all of the casings being PC before hand on purpose. Cooling down the box could help evict the flies and help the cyanescens to fruit. There is slight possibility to save this, even if it is very slight.
Yet to try filter patch bags, would that work with wood lover?
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Re: Fungus gnats [Re: Zenn]
#26821400 - 07/13/20 04:11 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Captain future uses them for most of his grows. I have yet to fruit caerulescens or zap but they are about 45 days in with no rams in a myco bag
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Re: Fungus gnats [Re: Thekd95]
#26825510 - 07/15/20 04:10 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Noted, will look into it.
Well, I gave the brick about 16 hour soak in water and hp. I have a fan in the room now, a small dish with sugarless vanilla extract inside the box (gnats apparently hate the smell of vanilla), some fly tape inside and outside the box and the vinegar, honey, soap trap outside the box. Hopefully these things help.
Back to the waiting game. Since we did see the little primordia, I take that as a good sign. The temperatures have been roughly 16°C at night and between 18°C and 20°C during the day. I didnt expect to see any form yet because of the temps.
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Re: Fungus gnats [Re: Zenn]
#26827530 - 07/16/20 06:05 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Couple more adjustments. I think it's more a matter of flies getting in the open window being drawn to the light and then smell the box. So far I havent seen any larvae, but considering they are tiny that's not a surprise. So until I get some micropore tape tomorrow to cover all entrances to the box, I've stuck the box in the fridge. it JUST fits and basically no room for anything else in there lol. If then we still have gnats I will try to keep it in the fridge as they will be far less active at low temperatures that this myc loves. If need be I will find a way of giving light inside the fridge. If it wasnt for the fact I need to use the fridge for food storage at times I'd just have had the box in there from the start.
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Re: Fungus gnats [Re: Zenn]
#26831666 - 07/18/20 11:44 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ok, so it looks like we might be in the clear for the gnats it was kept in the fridge, temp inside the box kept at about 8°C for about 24 hours if not a little longer. Micropore taped up the 4 openings in the lid and right around the rim of the box, and kept back on the shelf in the pantry and using the fan. When it was time to mist I untaped and took brick out to inspect for signs of gnats. So far all appears to be ok. Also noticed maybe 1 or 2 more little primordia will not be removing it again unless I see any signs where that action would be required. With fan, temps have been kept at around 18.5°C day time and 15°C or less at night.
Here's hoping things keep improving. Also hoping everyone has a good day
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Pics [Re: Zenn]
#26835291 - 07/21/20 12:12 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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So after the gnat faffery, we seem good. Update pics, some little primordia.
Sidenote: the pics of primordia from the other day unfortunately due to what I did for gnat prevention some of them aborted. But seems there are still little ones coming I decided to add the dry oak leaves in a thin layer on top because of how the primordia are forming on the side near the top but next to the bin liner so humidity there is better. Now use a mister/fogger instead of spray bottle since the leaves been added.
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Re: Pics [Re: Zenn]
#26857984 - 08/01/20 11:03 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Been reading more grows and outdoor patches etc. Something I'd thought about before this was even colonised grain, was if I should or shouldn't use live moss ontop of the casing. I have found grows on shroomery where people have used sphagnum moss, and seem to yield some success. After recent heat, the top of this brick/cake/block seems to struggle. Bluing occurs on the fresher growth especially if it accidentally gets too hot (usually when it's been nearer the window when the sun has come round and in the window a bit.) So, I am thinking it could actually be best to replace the leaves with live moss instead since it holds alot of water.
Has anyone had experience of using moss on top of casing?
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Re: Pics [Re: Zenn]
#26858078 - 08/02/20 12:52 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I see bobwastaken had used live moss on a couple of his woodlover flower pots before. Wanted to try this with a few of my patches as well so curious what everyone's opinion will be on this too. Good work sticking with your project this long and achieving primordia btw!
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Thank you very much  I think luck has alot to do with it hahaha! And since the mycelium isnt giving up on me, I didnt and wont give up on them. Just been trying to "listen" to what it wants or what could make it happier. I was very surprised to find the primordia.
Does seem so far from other grows I've read that a nice little mossy blanket could just be the final thing they need.
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Re: Ps. Cyanescens mycelium in mulch box, so far [Re: Zenn]
#26861846 - 08/04/20 12:13 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Following.
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Re: Ps. Cyanescens mycelium in mulch box, so far [Re: eldoclimber]
#26861882 - 08/04/20 01:28 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm telling you I've made up my mind to try live moss on my next quebecensis attempt. Spawn is almost ready for round 2.
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Re: Ps. Cyanescens mycelium in mulch box, so far [Re: alaskappalachian]
#26861923 - 08/04/20 02:52 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah pretty sure I'm gonna give it a try. Have managed to source some sphagnum moss, when its here I will give it a good soak and check for bugs before I add it to the box. I think at most add a very fine layer of damp coir before adding the moss? to be fair tho the moss would likely sit happily on it as is, from what I remember of moss tufts that grew on my old roof, it was slate, all they needed was the rain water.
Nice one on the spawn btw ^_^ haha had to google the name, havent heard of that one yet, thank you for the introduction!
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Re: Ps. Cyanescens mycelium in mulch box, so far [Re: Zenn]
#26865521 - 08/05/20 09:18 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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So, i have now added the moss carpet. First I removed the leaves that were left (I had removed over half of the leaves from the layer pictured above a day or so after making that layer). Shredded up the leaves and mixed with some coir from a plant pot that had dried out, dampened and applied to the top of the brick. It was just enough to give cover before applying the moss. The type of moss I got, the process was a little more tedious than i thought it would be but hopefully i have planted it well enough on the surface. Have a lot more moss left over so might use it for an outdoor moss garden or something lol
Do you think I've added enough moss?
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Re: Ps. Cyanescens mycelium in mulch box, so far [Re: Zenn]
#26865552 - 08/05/20 09:37 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Looks pretty good. I like your plan. Can't wait to see your next update.
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Re: Ps. Cyanescens mycelium in mulch box, so far [Re: alaskappalachian]
#26916535 - 09/03/20 10:22 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Update: indeed primordia and pins have begun! Discovered when I took the brick out of the box to look for gnat damage, but not seeing anything. When the bag was taken down from the side I saw quite a lot of pin formations with little brown tips! Next time I inspect I will he sure to have my camera handy so I can show pics of the progress. Just didnt want to disturb the box again incase I harmed the pins. So far not noticing any in the top where the moss is. But time will tell.
So. fucking. happy.
*happy dance *
(Small side note, from reading waylitjim 2005 grow rough estimate for first pickable fruits would be maybe 14 days from the stage they are at right now.) Will update with pics ASAP. Really excited to show you guys.
Edited by Zenn (09/04/20 02:40 PM)
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Re: Ps. Cyanescens mycelium in mulch box. Pinning 1st pics [Re: Zenn]
#26921239 - 09/06/20 01:49 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Here we have some little ones peeking up to say hello. What looked like 1 turns put to be a small cluster *excited face *
(*facepalm * forgot the pics 1st time )
Edited by Zenn (09/06/20 01:53 PM)
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Re: Ps. Cyanescens mycelium in mulch box. Pinning 1st pics [Re: Zenn]
#26921295 - 09/06/20 02:26 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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 That's awesome, bud. Looks like that moss payed dividends holding surface conditions for ya. Good gamble.
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Re: Ps. Cyanescens mycelium in mulch box. Pinning 1st pics [Re: alaskappalachian]
#26921347 - 09/06/20 02:59 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thank you very much so excited!
Additional small update on equipment: I added drainage holes to 2 of the corners of the main box and placed it into another box to catch any excess liquid/myc pee etc. Drilled holes around the top of the bin liner after rolling it down to allow better light. This was after discovering all the new little formations basically all around the sides. Unsure yet if there are any on the top, but they could be hiding under the surface.
Gnats: Basically this box is like the hottest night club in town for gnats. However, they do not appear to be causing problems. A few times a day I will check the box, once I had to remove some eggs from the moss, but apart from finding some mating in there and the odd few running about in the moss, I dont have any problems. (Tbh the substrate is at least 8 inches deep and a completely white block, think they'd have a hard time eating it all haha *touch wood *) Point being I basically cant stop the gnats from getting in. But so far not a problem. Just pick them out as I find them and hope for the best.
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