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friend does not want to trip again for a long time
    #26921157 - 09/06/20 01:09 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

My close friend and former partner is a pretty open minded guy. He has experience with psychedelics but does not want to do them again for a long time. He has a job where he can be randomly tested. However, the reason he cites for not wanting to do it is that he feels uncomfortable and not in the right mental state. If he were to do them again it would be long down the road. I am not one to pressure anyone to do anything that they don't want to but it kind of might be a deal breaker in a partner. He fully supports me doing my thing, just chooses not to partake himself. He is afraid of the growth or quitting his job (he said so) which he doesn't entirely love. Do I keep having this conversation or just walk away?


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Re: friend does not want to trip again for along time [Re: naturalexplorer7] * 1
    #26921160 - 09/06/20 01:11 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

They dont drug test for psilocybin, LSD, mescaline or dmt IIRC

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Re: friend does not want to trip again for along time [Re: connectedcosmos] * 1
    #26921488 - 09/06/20 04:12 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

if they test for speed, maybe mescaline will be detected (Phenethylamine)

shrooms and lsd are not tested as far as I know.


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Re: friend does not want to trip again for along time [Re: redgreenvines] * 6
    #26921679 - 09/06/20 06:09 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Love is about accepting one another, as each person is (with obvious exceptions, such as harmful behavior).
I don’t see anything wrong in not taking psychedelics. Even psychonauts have occasional long stretches of abstaining from psychedelics.
You say it’s a deal breaker in a partner, which is your right. So if you truly feel that you can’t be with someone who doesn’t want to partake, it’s your right to leave (or not start) the relationship, but I’d urge you to widen your horizons and come to realize that psychedelics aren’t for everyone and sometimes, people need longer breaks from them.


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Re: friend does not want to trip again for along time [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #26922302 - 09/07/20 01:45 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Probably a troll. Seems selfish af.


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Re: friend does not want to trip again for along time [Re: LosTresOjos] * 1
    #26922398 - 09/07/20 04:33 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Please, don't force your friend into psychedelics. They are not for everyone.
Accept your role as a psychedelic explorer. Be an exemplar for your community. Walk your path. Maybe someday he'll join you.

Mushlove to you, brother! :heart:


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Re: friend does not want to trip again for along time [Re: MrStinkyShrooman]
    #26924244 - 09/08/20 07:52 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Probably a troll. Seems selfish af.




This may be the case as the person has one post and hasn't been seen since.

However, I don't think this is necessarily a sign of a selfish person. I struggled with this when I started this journey (namely my friends not partaking with me). It's normal to want your friends, family and/or significant other to partake with you if mushrooms are important to you. And sometimes, the line between them wanting it and you wanting them to want it is blurred. Of course, to some degree, this is a sign that the person needs to mature more and realize that those close to you don't need to do all of the things you do. And that's ok. I guess the mushroom community is just passionate about these substances and we want the world to have access to this magical medicine. Nonetheless, I do agree that if a person can't come to the realization that love is independent of someone taking substances with you, they need to work on themselves.

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Please, don't force your friend into psychedelics. They are not for everyone.
Accept your role as a psychedelic explorer. Be an exemplar for your community. Walk your path. Maybe someday he'll join you.

Mushlove to you, brother! :heart:




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Great advice.


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Re: friend does not want to trip again for along time [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #26929106 - 09/10/20 09:57 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

You are absolutely right. I am certainly not here to make people do anything. There are definitely circumstances in which people are not compatible with psychedelics either. I have also taken extended breaks and found them helpful. I think my emotions about this person as well as my judgement (which is wholly unnecessary) clouded the question.


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Re: friend does not want to trip again for along time [Re: MrStinkyShrooman]
    #26929109 - 09/10/20 09:59 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Very well said, thank you. Not here to force anyone to do psychedelics.


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Re: friend does not want to trip again for along time [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #26929117 - 09/10/20 10:05 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Love is totally independent of the medicines we decide to consume. I am definitely passionate about these substances but realize the lack of maturity in my thought process. I guess I was just asking myself what is the block in my friends mind that makes him afraid. Regardless, I accept him for who he is and have not and will not pressure him. The expectation that a partner partake is also a lot given my previous stints of sobriety. There is still a ton for me to learn. It'll never stop. Thanks for the reality check guys.

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LosTresOjos said:
Probably a troll. Seems selfish af.




This may be the case as the person has one post and hasn't been seen since.

However, I don't think this is necessarily a sign of a selfish person. I struggled with this when I started this journey (namely my friends not partaking with me). It's normal to want your friends, family and/or significant other to partake with you if mushrooms are important to you. And sometimes, the line between them wanting it and you wanting them to want it is blurred. Of course, to some degree, this is a sign that the person needs to mature more and realize that those close to you don't need to do all of the things you do. And that's ok. I guess the mushroom community is just passionate about these substances and we want the world to have access to this magical medicine. Nonetheless, I do agree that if a person can't come to the realization that love is independent of someone taking substances with you, they need to work on themselves.

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Please, don't force your friend into psychedelics. They are not for everyone.
Accept your role as a psychedelic explorer. Be an exemplar for your community. Walk your path. Maybe someday he'll join you.

Mushlove to you, brother! :heart:




:whathesaid:

Great advice.




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Re: friend does not want to trip again for along time [Re: naturalexplorer7]
    #26929365 - 09/11/20 04:51 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Keep at it and soon enough you’ll have one of those trips that makes you question whether or not you want to trip again within the next decade or two.  Psychedelics are an odd thing and I definitely wouldn’t want to force someone to go through all that if they weren’t in 100% but I also wouldn’t deem it necessary to bail on someone just because they weren’t trying to trip.  Just get him be your trip sitter..


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Re: friend does not want to trip again for along time [Re: naturalexplorer7] * 1
    #26929490 - 09/11/20 07:46 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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You are absolutely right. I am certainly not here to make people do anything. There are definitely circumstances in which people are not compatible with psychedelics either. I have also taken extended breaks and found them helpful. I think my emotions about this person as well as my judgement (which is wholly unnecessary) clouded the question.




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Love is totally independent of the medicines we decide to consume. I am definitely passionate about these substances but realize the lack of maturity in my thought process. I guess I was just asking myself what is the block in my friends mind that makes him afraid. Regardless, I accept him for who he is and have not and will not pressure him. The expectation that a partner partake is also a lot given my previous stints of sobriety. There is still a ton for me to learn. It'll never stop. Thanks for the reality check guys.





Glad to hear you're taking it well.

LosTresOjos is a good guy, just a little rough around the edges, but he speaks his beliefs which is admirable. So don't take what he said the wrong way, he's just trying to help.

Anyway, don't be so hard on yourself. You are not alone in these feelings. It is human nature to want to share the things you are passionate about with other people. And while people might tolerate watching something they don't enjoy or going somewhere they're not thrilled about to make someone else happy, they won't (and shouldn't) take powerful mind-altering substances to appease someone. But it's normal for us all to want our loved ones to do these things with us, it's human nature.

The fact is, for many of us, this is a very lonely part of our lives. This path is so far from the social norm that many of us are seen as vagrants, just doing "drugs" to melt our brains while the masses only consume the healthy and allowed medicinal alcohol (sarcasm obviously).

Furthermore, many people may dabble in a psychedelic or two in their lives but they are not committed to them. So it may be hard seeing someone who once tripped with us and trying to figure out why they don't want to do it anymore. Some people just want to try it once or a few times and put that to rest.

But others, like the majority of us here, are in absolute awe regarding these substances. We want to explore them, learn about and from them, and dedicate some significant part of our being to them.

Eventually we have to realize that it is an incredibly lonely path. We have pit stops on our journey, like this community, where we can rest and open up to those walking a similar journey. And we can rest here as much as we need. But every time we head out that door, we must walk alone.


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Re: friend does not want to trip again for along time [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #26929859 - 09/11/20 11:45 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Well shit color be shades of yellow.
There has been a high frequency of trolls coming and going as of late.
Luckily the trolls can be easily found out.

  My wife was into psychedelics but she tried them about 5 times at 3.5g and now she won't touch them. How do I feel about it? I feel as if she's missing out, infact I used to be more adamant about her taking these things. I was probably being a real asshole about it. After having my 4g + 1hour later another 4g I have changed my tune.
I used to believe that everyone should consume mushrooms at least once in their life but now I feel as if that view was very immature. Who the fuck am I to 1.tell anyone what to do 2. Suggest such a potential reality shattering experience.

These things are not fun in the sense you go to the circus or theme park. They are fun in the sense that you are sailing into waters that no one has ever been to. An explorer. It's thrilling. But I no longer try to talk to people about how they should try it. I just discuss the experience.


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Re: friend does not want to trip again for along time [Re: LosTresOjos]
    #26929964 - 09/11/20 12:59 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I personally come from the opposite end of the spectrum to OP as I genuinely cannot understand why anyone would want their loved ones to use psychedelic drugs, not my wife, and certainly never my child when he grows up. I want him to avoid the same paths I went down and that includes psychedelic drugs especially when in his teens and early adulthood. I would never even dream of giving him them!

Everyone has bad trips sooner or later, and to think I could be tripping with my wife knowing that I was responsible for causing her to have a bad time, along with the nightmare of watching a loved one suffer in such a situation would make for a harrowing experience especially if she became seriously traumatized or something!

Yikes! That is at least one kind of bad trip (someone else's while tripping myself) I have yet to encounter thankfully!

I would never make myself responsible for something like that and am a big believer in letting those who truly want to use psychedelics prove their dedication by obtaining their own! In that case, they are both determined and personally responsible for what they are doing.

I mean it's probably a different dynamic when one's spouse is a man, but if he doesn't want to do them then those wishes should definitely be respected.

How long have you been using psychedelics OP? There's every chance you won't be using them yourself in a few year's time!

Speaking frankly though if it really is a dealbreaker for you then that might well be indictive that your heart is not really in the relationship anyway?


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Re: friend does not want to trip again for along time [Re: wolf8312]
    #26930002 - 09/11/20 01:23 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I don't think many people would give their children drugs but that doesn't really mean a whole lot. They'll find them.
 
As far as another adult, if they choose to do it then I'm not responsible for that action. Especially now that I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. I also would not give mushrooms out. But if my wife had a bad trip, I have no control over that. She knows the waters. Nah, I can't see myself dosing anybody these days. I want no part of other peoples trip. It's a solitary experience.


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Re: friend does not want to trip again for along time [Re: LosTresOjos]
    #26930781 - 09/11/20 08:59 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't think many people would give their children drugs but that doesn't really mean a whole lot. They'll find them.
 
As far as another adult, if they choose to do it then I'm not responsible for that action. Especially now that I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. I also would not give mushrooms out. But if my wife had a bad trip, I have no control over that. She knows the waters. Nah, I can't see myself dosing anybody these days. I want no part of other peoples trip. It's a solitary experience.




Yeah I get ya. I offer that example to demonstrate my extreme ambivalence bordering on hypocrisy towards psychedelics really. I wouldn't say I am a gung-ho advocate anyway (like I say ambivalent) but its interesting to see how many people would want/allow their (adult) children to use psychedelics, just to get a feel for how they truly feel about them.


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Re: friend does not want to trip again for along time [Re: wolf8312]
    #26930811 - 09/11/20 09:11 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I don't have kids. Honestly I wouldn't be able to say unless I do face that situation.
I think it would be a conversation I would have to have with them. But when? No idea. Like all things there are opportunities for it, maybe an introduction to mycology. There's plenty of activities there. An adult child I would hope to be able to discuss these things freely.

  Edit: what if my child grows up to a strict conservative christian? That would be something.


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Re: friend does not want to trip again for along time [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #26937035 - 09/15/20 01:09 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Socrateshroom said:
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naturalexplorer7 said:
You are absolutely right. I am certainly not here to make people do anything. There are definitely circumstances in which people are not compatible with psychedelics either. I have also taken extended breaks and found them helpful. I think my emotions about this person as well as my judgement (which is wholly unnecessary) clouded the question.




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naturalexplorer7 said:
Love is totally independent of the medicines we decide to consume. I am definitely passionate about these substances but realize the lack of maturity in my thought process. I guess I was just asking myself what is the block in my friends mind that makes him afraid. Regardless, I accept him for who he is and have not and will not pressure him. The expectation that a partner partake is also a lot given my previous stints of sobriety. There is still a ton for me to learn. It'll never stop. Thanks for the reality check guys.





Glad to hear you're taking it well.

LosTresOjos is a good guy, just a little rough around the edges, but he speaks his beliefs which is admirable. So don't take what he said the wrong way, he's just trying to help.

Anyway, don't be so hard on yourself. You are not alone in these feelings. It is human nature to want to share the things you are passionate about with other people. And while people might tolerate watching something they don't enjoy or going somewhere they're not thrilled about to make someone else happy, they won't (and shouldn't) take powerful mind-altering substances to appease someone. But it's normal for us all to want our loved ones to do these things with us, it's human nature.

The fact is, for many of us, this is a very lonely part of our lives. This path is so far from the social norm that many of us are seen as vagrants, just doing "drugs" to melt our brains while the masses only consume the healthy and allowed medicinal alcohol (sarcasm obviously).

Furthermore, many people may dabble in a psychedelic or two in their lives but they are not committed to them. So it may be hard seeing someone who once tripped with us and trying to figure out why they don't want to do it anymore. Some people just want to try it once or a few times and put that to rest.

But others, like the majority of us here, are in absolute awe regarding these substances. We want to explore them, learn about and from them, and dedicate some significant part of our being to them.

Eventually we have to realize that it is an incredibly lonely path. We have pit stops on our journey, like this community, where we can rest and open up to those walking a similar journey. And we can rest here as much as we need. But every time we head out that door, we must walk alone.





Definitely in awe of the substances and interested in exploring. I do not expect everyone in my life to walk that road...Or anyone for that matter. We are all alone in our minds at the end of the day. The funny thing is that I have a close friend that I enjoy exploring all this stuff with. He is serious about safety and glad to experiment. It has been something like 5 years since we've tripped together but there is some comfort there. It is nice to know that you guys are here as well. Along the way sometimes we do need to communicate with people outside of our minds.


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Re: friend does not want to trip again for along time [Re: naturalexplorer7]
    #26938338 - 09/16/20 02:54 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I see most of this stuff as a medecine, so if somebody doesn't need that then it makes me happy, if anything.
No such thing as a bad trip if you're doing it for healing, but smashing a bunch of shrooms for 'fun' - yeah that's gonna bite you in the ass eventually.

That changes the whole perspective, like Wolf said about not wanting it for their kids etc. - definitely i hope for a world where the healing these substances can bring isn't required.

However, i will gently suggest psychedelics to people who are at their wits end, struggling with depression etc. who i know to be otherwise stable (usually meaning no meds, history of psychosis etc), if they so choose ill hold space for them.


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    #26938352 - 09/16/20 03:37 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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I see most of this stuff as a medecine, so if somebody doesn't need that then it makes me happy, if anything.
No such thing as a bad trip if you're doing it for healing, but smashing a bunch of shrooms for 'fun' - yeah that's gonna bite you in the ass eventually.

That changes the whole perspective, like Wolf said about not wanting it for their kids etc. - definitely i hope for a world where the healing these substances can bring isn't required.

However, i will gently suggest psychedelics to people who are at their wits end, struggling with depression etc. who i know to be otherwise stable (usually meaning no meds, history of psychosis etc), if they so choose ill hold space for them.




Yeah, the main thing is maturity but the problem is that young teens/adults understandably believe that they are mature because they have reached adulthood, and buy into pro-drug propaganda too much discounting the warnings especially when they are new to psychedelics and have had only good experiences.

I remember being in this position myself and at that time couldn't even conceive of having a bad trip, believing that I knew how to control it as an experienced user!

Then I had my first (I wouldn't say) bad experience where I got it into my head that my sister had maybe been murdered, from which doubts then seeped into the subsequent experiences and snowballed (though I still pushed the dosage) culminating in disaster.

But like you say once one has seen the literally terrorizing horrors they are capable of showing a person, it definitely changes one's perspective!


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