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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: meltdowner] * 2
    #26918096 - 09/04/20 07:42 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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100% for capital punishment.  Bring back public hangings. Let people hear that neck crack.  Crime will go down 1000%



There's no evidence that the death penalty serves as a deterrent to crime. It only serves to further prove the barbarity of our society.


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Enlil] * 3
    #26918185 - 09/04/20 08:32 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

It’s not about crime going down it’s about psychopaths being entertained by watching people die.


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #26918356 - 09/04/20 10:45 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Or regular people being entertained by watching people die.

It doesn't require psychopathy to enjoy watching people die. It simply requires boredom. Psychopaths watch people die because they like it. Normal people watch people die because there isn't anything worth watching on the TV.


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #26920099 - 09/05/20 08:03 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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It’s not about crime going down it’s about psychopaths being entertained by watching people die.



Exactly. More proof that republitards are viscous animals.


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
    #26920599 - 09/06/20 07:38 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

As if the Democrats weren’t gleefully supporting the death penalty until a couple years ago


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #26921537 - 09/06/20 04:29 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Ivw gor no love for dems either. Both are wings of the same hawk.


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Asante]
    #26922439 - 09/07/20 05:17 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Justified or unjustifiable in the current system?

If justified, what methods of execution do you support?




Definitely justifiable, but shouldn’t be done.

I, for one, think anyone convicted of raping a child should be shown no mercy.  I do not believe there is a “cruel and unusual” form of punishment if the crime was the rape of a small child.  Skin them alive on the town square before drawing and quartering them.  Maybe draw the blood eagle on their back.

BUT

We shouldn’t do it.  There is no way you can be sure of the evidence presented by the government.  The government is not fair, it is not impartial, it will make up fake crimes and charge you with them. You can’t trust the testimony of government agents, and thanks to deep fakes, you can’t even trust video anymore.

Without the ability to trust that the government isn’t persecuting an innocent person, no citizen should be able to justify giving the power to kill to these potential liars.


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Ep1429]
    #26922879 - 09/07/20 11:46 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I am for it in cases where it is justified -- premeditated murder, sexual abuse of a child, maybe certain crimes against the state.  I don't believe it prevents crime in the macro-sense, but it absolutely prevents additional crimes in the micro-sense.


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: jay.ach] * 1
    #26922881 - 09/07/20 11:48 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

It's never justified


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Asante]
    #26922903 - 09/07/20 11:58 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

We're actually not hard enough when it comes to execution. Most of these people don't care about life so killing them in a painless way isn't even punishment for them. I think serial killers and people who abuse children should have death by fire. We should at least have the electric chair or hanging to make it look scary.


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: jay.ach]
    #26923009 - 09/07/20 12:48 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I am for it in cases where it is justified -- premeditated murder, sexual abuse of a child, maybe certain crimes against the state.  I don't believe it prevents crime in the macro-sense, but it absolutely prevents additional crimes in the micro-sense.




I disagree with this.

Lets assume that death penalty is a deterrent to micro-sense crime. Should we not make every crime punishable by the death penalty as a deterrent?

Now, let's say I steal a pack of gum. It's punishable by the death penalty, so logically, I should also shoot the clerk on my way out to prevent witnesses.


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Kryptos]
    #26923137 - 09/07/20 01:51 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Kryptos said:I disagree with this.

Lets assume that death penalty is a deterrent to micro-sense crime. Should we not make every crime punishable by the death penalty as a deterrent?

Now, let's say I steal a pack of gum. It's punishable by the death penalty, so logically, I should also shoot the clerk on my way out to prevent witnesses.




So you are going to completely eliminate crime by using the death penalty for all offenses?  Interesting.  And, who knows, that might actually work by eventually killing us all. 

But I disagree that all crimes are capital crimes.  In the case of the gum theft, I think we should just let you off with a good talking-to.  Now, if you want the clerk's car or wife or if the clerk insulted you on an internet forum and you plot for days to get even by killing the clerk and follow through with it, then I think the death penalty is justified.


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: koods]
    #26923701 - 09/07/20 07:47 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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100% for capital punishment.  Bring back public hangings. Let people hear that neck crack.  Crime will go down 1000%




Yet somehow crime has fallen despite more and more states abandoning the death penalty



Not enough.  What's that big Midwestern city where the blacks shoot eachother every weekend, death tally at for the year?

Abandoned death penalty for that sweet incarceration business.


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: meltdowner]
    #26923824 - 09/07/20 09:01 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Kryptos said:I disagree with this.

Lets assume that death penalty is a deterrent to micro-sense crime. Should we not make every crime punishable by the death penalty as a deterrent?

Now, let's say I steal a pack of gum. It's punishable by the death penalty, so logically, I should also shoot the clerk on my way out to prevent witnesses.




So you are going to completely eliminate crime by using the death penalty for all offenses?  Interesting.  And, who knows, that might actually work by eventually killing us all. 

But I disagree that all crimes are capital crimes.  In the case of the gum theft, I think we should just let you off with a good talking-to.  Now, if you want the clerk's car or wife or if the clerk insulted you on an internet forum and you plot for days to get even by killing the clerk and follow through with it, then I think the death penalty is justified.




Maybe I misread your post, then. However, the argument still stands. Let's say there was a premeditated murder, and the wife/kid saw it. Time to add them to the list?


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100% for capital punishment.  Bring back public hangings. Let people hear that neck crack.  Crime will go down 1000%




Yet somehow crime has fallen despite more and more states abandoning the death penalty



Not enough.  What's that big Midwestern city where the blacks shoot eachother every weekend, death tally at for the year?

Abandoned death penalty for that sweet incarceration business.




Significantly lower per-capita than St. Louis, which still has the death penalty. Also, the loosest gun laws in any major metropolitan area. Highest murder rate per capita out of any city, last I checked.


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Kryptos]
    #26923829 - 09/07/20 09:05 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Why would seeing a crime be punishable at all?


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Enlil]
    #26923837 - 09/07/20 09:09 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I meant the kill list. To extend my previous analogy of no witnesses to avoid the death penalty.


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Asante]
    #26924182 - 09/08/20 06:33 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I think it's aight. I was always somewhat on the fence about it, always felt like maybe seeing the last moment of an executed criminal would change my mind. Watched a video of a serial rapist in the middle east getting stoned to death. Did not feel bad for the guy at all, it was really satisfying if anything. The world has too many people and too little resources to be wasting on babysitting a psychopath for decades till he dies peacefully. I would imagine that most anyone in their right mind would take being executed over being caged for the rest of the life, anyway. Coup de grace. It is over for the guy anyway.

I do not believe in objective morality and I believe that our levels of sympathy have expanded into the territory of irrationality. It is not humane to take care of a killer for his whole life, imo, and it is not inhumane to end his life. If he didnt want to lose the killing game then he shouldnt have started it. Im not at all one of those 'rapists should get their cock chopped off!' type of guys, I just think it is better to finish the job rather than torture the guy for decades on tax payer dollars. Would rather my money go to just eliminating him.

And dont give me no retard capitalist argument like 'da lethal serum is expensive!!! It cost more to kill criminal then to keep them in captivity!' okay Mr. Monopoly. Not everything needs to be penny pinched.


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Near Dylan]
    #26924242 - 09/08/20 07:51 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

But what about the 4% of people on death row who're innocent?


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Shenmue] * 1
    #26924369 - 09/08/20 09:32 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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We're actually not hard enough when it comes to execution. Most of these people don't care about life so killing them in a painless way isn't even punishment for them. I think serial killers and people who abuse children should have death by fire. We should at least have the electric chair or hanging to make it look scary.




This is totally psychopathic


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Yeetusdeetus]
    #26924378 - 09/08/20 09:38 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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But what about the 4% of people on death row who're innocent?




It's for the greater good.


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