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OfflineInnerWisdom
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Taking mushrooms is the best way to spend time alone * 2
    #26920518 - 09/06/20 06:26 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

For me.
Your experience may vary.
I enjoy this a lot.
I enjoy talking to myself aloud.
Going back to the experience now.


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Re: Taking mushrooms is the best way to spend time alone [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #26921759 - 09/06/20 06:47 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Im gonna agree with you. Alone is damn near the only way ill trip anymore. Theres a peace and calm that I can't get with someone sitting with me.


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Fellow man is either a fool or a coward
Whoever cannot take care of himself without that law is both
For a wounded man shall say to his assailant
If I live I will kill you, if I die you are forgiven
Such is the rule of honor


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Re: Taking mushrooms is the best way to spend time alone [Re: MentalPariah]
    #26921953 - 09/06/20 08:33 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

May I share something on the topic of psychoactives and loneliness? By one of my favorite writers Eric Berne from his book Sex In Human Loving

PHYSICAL CONTACT AND
PHYSICAL HEALTH

If baby rats are not handled by their mothers or by human hands, they do not develop as well as they should, and many of them get sick and die. The same
applies to human babies who are not picked up. They need to be held and patted. In fact any human being who is
not stroked with cheerful words or gentle hands will shrivel up and die inside. Dr. Harry Harlow and his friends studied
baby monkeys who were taken from their motherS at birth and given a terry-cloth towel to rub up against instead. They proved that monkey babies are designed by nature for physical contact with others of their kind. If they are deprived of that, when they grow up they cannot have sexual relations the way other monkeys do, and if one does get pregnant, her baby is likely she will neglect or mistreat it. Some human parents do that too: ignore their babies or beat them up, even injure or
kill them. Such parents were usually victims themselves as children, sons and daughters of non-touching shells of
humanity, or of sad and angry sacks.

We can say all this briefly as follows: If any person is not stroked by his own
kind, his mind shrivels and his humanity dries out. There are two groups of people who suffer this way. In every city there are thousands of girls who go to work
every morning and travel home each night to spend nearly all of their spare time alone in ther rooms Or apartments,
with nothing to do and no one to talk to or fight with.

In a typical case, Sally has no dates; she may have a few
friends who are not too enthusiastic about her; they invite her to dinner once every two months to meet a young lawyer from Kansas or Maine. ln between, she may try going to movies or concerts, but she goes alone and lives a life of a loner. After a while she loses interest in cooking for herself, and eventually in eating. Then her skin begins to go bad and her legs start to shrink from lack of nourishment. Her muscles get weak and her stomach sags.
It is not the lack of social activity that causes these bad effects, but it is the lack of social activity which leads to
her loss of appetite, and that is what causes the body decay. Between her lack of social stimulation and her physical weakness, she gets depressed and loses her drive and energy. This may lead her to take drugs. Often these are amphetamines or pep pills, which further depresses her
appetite and make things worse.
In her case, as in most cases, drugs are instead of people, and the circle will spiral downhill and can only be
turned up by social contacts. Thus she starts out living a lonely life, and through loss of appetite and other things
that hapPpen to loners, she ends up in bad physical shape. The end result may be just as bad if she overeats instead of losing her appetite. In one case she uses drugs instead of people and in the other food instead of people. In both
cases, she becomes less and less attractive and less likely
to find someone who will supply the recognition and stroking she needs.
Another group that suffer in the same way are older men who lead lonely lives, such as night watchmen who live in cheap hotels. Many of them end up in an equally
sad condition, which may be called night watchman's disease. [...]



Anyway, thought this might be useful. I take shrooms these days too, low doses and read a book or go for a jog or meditate, its all good fun...this virus shit sucks.


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The greatest medicine is the emptiness of everything
..............................
Sole dominion over the Earth
going to heaven
lordship over all worlds
The fruit of stream-entry
excels them


Edited by FranxLove (09/06/20 08:35 PM)


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Re: Taking mushrooms is the best way to spend time alone [Re: FranxLove] * 3
    #26921965 - 09/06/20 08:38 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

My best mushroom experiences have been when my wife was home. She knows that when I'm tripping, she doesn't bother me. But usually, I end up seeking her out to hold her and tell her how much I love her.

I have had 1 or 2 nice trips alone, but I think it's better knowing that the one you love is just in the other room.


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Re: Taking mushrooms is the best way to spend time alone [Re: Bernard]
    #26922248 - 09/07/20 12:01 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah that would be ideal but in the lack of that alone is great. I do always end up in a more social mood, so it's not like I really would rather be left alone, I just have no one close to trip with.


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Re: Taking mushrooms is the best way to spend time alone [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #26922793 - 09/07/20 10:36 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

agree with Bernard


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Re: Growing mushrooms is the best way to spend time alone [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26923966 - 09/07/20 11:13 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

^^ fixed the title

Yeah, but I agree - however IME in hyperspace that time is intensely social :cookiemonster:


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Re: Growing mushrooms is the best way to spend time alone [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #26924021 - 09/08/20 01:46 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Yes the social aspect is very strong for me too. So much so that I really wanted to hangout with a friend or my sister while on mushrooms on Sunday. I have never been on mushrooms around this friend before but I didn't care. It's almost shocking the amount of courage and openness I experience towards the world and everyone. Like I almost recommended my mom to take mushrooms when I was high :lol: not that that would be a terrible idea but I wouldn't bring it up sober, except maybe nowI have to at some point.
You know that's the problem with integrating the experience of such otherness. In that ecstatic state everything is possible and awesome.
I really want to trip again soon. Gotta be careful with that desire as to not lose my mind into that ecstasy.


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Re: Growing mushrooms is the best way to spend time alone [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #26924037 - 09/08/20 02:24 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I can only trip with a handful of people out of my group of friends. But I must say I rather like to delve deep on my own. Over 250+ ug or 5g+ of shrooms is when I will be on my own. Anything under those doses I am fine being social around other people.


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~ I used to get high on life, until I realized life was cut with morons ~
* You need 2 wake up and smell the music! *
-We are all computer data in a materialistic world-
|Sometimes you have to lose yourself, to find anything|


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Re: Growing mushrooms is the best way to spend time alone [Re: Blazer420]
    #26924072 - 09/08/20 03:49 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

It was the only way I used to go for many years and I always strictly avoided human contact. There is no doubt about it that being alone increases the power and profundity of the experience dramatically whereas being with other people tends to keep one grounded. This is especially true for me with cannabis.

I no longer completely reject being with others when tripping, as it can be a lot of fun if that's all you want from the experience. I found it sometimes nice to stay above ground so to speak instead of falling down the rabbit hole into the alien tryptamine realm on every single occasion.

Doing shrooms with someone one loves is a great experience, and I found it showed me a better way to be, in that I could see how caught up I got in normality over every single little perceived petty slight or grievance, as if I learned there were different aspects of my life in which I needed to learn to 'let go' not just the psychedelic experience itself.

But I would personally never use psychedelics in a group setting. 

People should take care to not be too isolated though (best for me is if my spouse is asleep) especially if taking high doses of things like LSD/HBRW/mescaline which will keep you locked up inside your own mind for what will at the time seem like an eternity.

There were times on HBWR where I came back to a room that looked like a scene from fear and loathing cause at some point I had decided I needed to tidy up! What had started as an attempt to tidy a room that seemed chaotically disordered (it wasn't) had somehow devolved into my walking around the room aimlessly, rearranging objects, or transferring them at random from one place to the other for no reason, having at some point forgotten what I was actually doing.

I never found shrooms (or Aya) to make me quite so deranged in that respect as things like LSD and HBWR!


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Pennywise the dancing clown



Edited by wolf8312 (09/08/20 03:58 AM)


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Re: Taking mushrooms is the best way to spend time alone [Re: FranxLove]
    #26924212 - 09/08/20 07:24 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

FranxLove said:
May I share something on the topic of psychoactives and loneliness? By one of my favorite writers Eric Berne from his book Sex In Human Loving

PHYSICAL CONTACT AND
PHYSICAL HEALTH

If baby rats are not handled by their mothers or by human hands, they do not develop as well as they should, and many of them get sick and die. The same
applies to human babies who are not picked up. They need to be held and patted. In fact any human being who is
not stroked with cheerful words or gentle hands will shrivel up and die inside. Dr. Harry Harlow and his friends studied
baby monkeys who were taken from their motherS at birth and given a terry-cloth towel to rub up against instead. They proved that monkey babies are designed by nature for physical contact with others of their kind. If they are deprived of that, when they grow up they cannot have sexual relations the way other monkeys do, and if one does get pregnant, her baby is likely she will neglect or mistreat it. Some human parents do that too: ignore their babies or beat them up, even injure or
kill them. Such parents were usually victims themselves as children, sons and daughters of non-touching shells of
humanity, or of sad and angry sacks.

We can say all this briefly as follows: If any person is not stroked by his own
kind, his mind shrivels and his humanity dries out. There are two groups of people who suffer this way. In every city there are thousands of girls who go to work
every morning and travel home each night to spend nearly all of their spare time alone in ther rooms Or apartments,
with nothing to do and no one to talk to or fight with.

In a typical case, Sally has no dates; she may have a few
friends who are not too enthusiastic about her; they invite her to dinner once every two months to meet a young lawyer from Kansas or Maine. ln between, she may try going to movies or concerts, but she goes alone and lives a life of a loner. After a while she loses interest in cooking for herself, and eventually in eating. Then her skin begins to go bad and her legs start to shrink from lack of nourishment. Her muscles get weak and her stomach sags.
It is not the lack of social activity that causes these bad effects, but it is the lack of social activity which leads to
her loss of appetite, and that is what causes the body decay. Between her lack of social stimulation and her physical weakness, she gets depressed and loses her drive and energy. This may lead her to take drugs. Often these are amphetamines or pep pills, which further depresses her
appetite and make things worse.
In her case, as in most cases, drugs are instead of people, and the circle will spiral downhill and can only be
turned up by social contacts. Thus she starts out living a lonely life, and through loss of appetite and other things
that hapPpen to loners, she ends up in bad physical shape. The end result may be just as bad if she overeats instead of losing her appetite. In one case she uses drugs instead of people and in the other food instead of people. In both
cases, she becomes less and less attractive and less likely
to find someone who will supply the recognition and stroking she needs.
Another group that suffer in the same way are older men who lead lonely lives, such as night watchmen who live in cheap hotels. Many of them end up in an equally
sad condition, which may be called night watchman's disease. [...]



Anyway, thought this might be useful. I take shrooms these days too, low doses and read a book or go for a jog or meditate, its all good fun...this virus shit sucks.




I don't get this... Are you saying it's a good thing to take psychedelics alone or a bad thing?


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Re: Taking mushrooms is the best way to spend time alone [Re: Funkadelic12]
    #26924301 - 09/08/20 08:42 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I think it's more like a reminder of those things


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Re: Taking mushrooms is the best way to spend time alone [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #26924329 - 09/08/20 09:01 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Agree, introspection is better in isolation.


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Re: Growing mushrooms is the best way to spend time alone [Re: wolf8312]
    #26924953 - 09/08/20 04:26 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

wolf8312 said:


Doing shrooms with someone one loves is a great experience, and I found it showed me a better way to be, in that I could see how caught up I got in normality over every single little perceived petty slight or grievance, as if I learned there were different aspects of my life in which I needed to learn to 'let go' not just the psychedelic experience itself.






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