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Multiple boats sink during Trump parade
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This whole scene is symbolic of Trump deragment syndrome and the link between the ultra rich and Trump, all these people are burning gas in 50k-100k+ boats and yachts and they literally will sink for him and with him. They need him to stay in office to stay that rich when so many are going without,poor,sick,homeless, starving etc
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link between trump and the rich? Is that why all of the news channels and politicians hate trump? Who are both owned by the rich by the way.
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Re: Multiple boats sink during Trump parade [Re: Shenmue] 4
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Yeah, they need Trump in office to stay rich. Those boats never existed before Trump won the election. Are we being serious here?
What the hell do you think Reagan, Clinton, Bush and Obama were doing before Trump? Getting the rich even richer at the expense of the working class. Guess what's going to happened under Biden? It gets even worse.
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Re: Multiple boats sink during Trump parade [Re: qman] 2
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I don't expect Biden to fundamentally change the system. I do, however, expect Biden to be a bit more competent when it comes to things like not letting hundreds of thousands of people die from disease.
The only way to stop the rich exploiting the working class is, and always will be, guillotines. And maybe some rioting/looting.
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Re: Multiple boats sink during Trump parade [Re: qman]
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qman said: Yeah, they need Trump in office to stay rich. Those boats never existed before Trump won the election. Are we being serious here?
What the hell do you think Reagan, Clinton, Bush and Obama were doing before Trump? Getting the rich even richer at the expense of the working class. Guess what's going to happened under Biden? It gets even worse.
How exactly does taxing people that make over 300k make the rich getting richer worse?
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qman said: Yeah, they need Trump in office to stay rich. Those boats never existed before Trump won the election. Are we being serious here?
What the hell do you think Reagan, Clinton, Bush and Obama were doing before Trump? Getting the rich even richer at the expense of the working class. Guess what's going to happened under Biden? It gets even worse.
How exactly does taxing people that make over 300k make the rich getting richer worse?
Because people that make 300k are still high class peasants and nothing more. I'm not saying hiking taxes on people making 300k is a bad idea, but it doesn't address the wealthy people.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2020/08/27/amazon-ceo-jeff-bezos-now-worth-more-than-200-billion/5647366002/
This is just one example of the real wealth and ain't nobody gonna touch it, and that includes bought and paid for Biden.
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Re: Multiple boats sink during Trump parade [Re: Kryptos]
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Kryptos said: I don't expect Biden to fundamentally change the system. I do, however, expect Biden to be a bit more competent when it comes to things like not letting hundreds of thousands of people die from disease.
The only way to stop the rich exploiting the working class is, and always will be, guillotines. And maybe some rioting/looting.
Yea right. Biden called Trump’s travel restriction from China Xenophobic. Nancy Pelosi was encouraging people to visit Chinatown and Deblasio was telling people to go about their regular business when we were well aware that the virus was a major health risk.
Rioting/looting won’t stop the rich from exploiting the working class, but looting is a form of reparations for black people because, well
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Re: Multiple boats sink during Trump parade [Re: qman]
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I thought Bezos was a trillionaire, not because Amazon revenues are that high but because he owns so much of the stock. If so, he's probably not a trillionaire after this week.
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Re: Multiple boats sink during Trump parade [Re: Brian Jones]
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I think he’s on pace to be a trillionaire in a few years.
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Trump is already rich. How are the rich going to control trump? They literally have nothing to offer him. He has billions!!! He has a hot wife, has banged models. He's old and probably has less than a decade left on this planet. There's literally nothing they can give him.
Biden on the other hand has been a politician his entire life! Who do you seriously think they're controlling!? It's Biden! It's so obvious!
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Re: Multiple boats sink during Trump parade [Re: Shenmue] 2
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“Why would the rich try to get richer?”
Imagine still believing this amidst a discussion of the world’s first trillionaire.
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Re: Multiple boats sink during Trump parade [Re: Billy Ray]
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Kryptos said: I don't expect Biden to fundamentally change the system. I do, however, expect Biden to be a bit more competent when it comes to things like not letting hundreds of thousands of people die from disease.
The only way to stop the rich exploiting the working class is, and always will be, guillotines. And maybe some rioting/looting.
Yea right. Biden called Trump’s travel restriction from China Xenophobic. Nancy Pelosi was encouraging people to visit Chinatown and Deblasio was telling people to go about their regular business when we were well aware that the virus was a major health risk.
Rioting/looting won’t stop the rich from exploiting the working class, but looting is a form of reparations for black people because, well 
I disagree, protesting/rioting in the correct areas can make change. So far the movement hasn't gone where they need to go, but make no mistake, if you make life dangerous for the very wealthy, you will see a serious difference.
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Re: Multiple boats sink during Trump parade [Re: Shenmue] 1
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Shenmue said: Trump is already rich. How are the rich going to control trump? They literally have nothing to offer him. He has billions!!! He has a hot wife, has banged models. He's old and probably has less than a decade left on this planet. There's literally nothing they can give him.
Biden on the other hand has been a politician his entire life! Who do you seriously think they're controlling!? It's Biden! It's so obvious!
Trump folded like a cheap suit, they got to him in short order and he became their little bitch. Trump is likely broke and even it he isn't they would fuck up the lives of his children with great pleasure.
What happened to Trump's economic nationalistic programs? It's not even discussed anymore, ancient history.
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Re: Multiple boats sink during Trump parade [Re: qman] 2
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Re: Multiple boats sink during Trump parade [Re: qman]
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Shenmue said: Trump is already rich. How are the rich going to control trump? They literally have nothing to offer him. He has billions!!! He has a hot wife, has banged models. He's old and probably has less than a decade left on this planet. There's literally nothing they can give him.
Biden on the other hand has been a politician his entire life! Who do you seriously think they're controlling!? It's Biden! It's so obvious!
Trump folded like a cheap suit, they got to him in short order and he became their little bitch. Trump is likely broke and even it he isn't they would fuck up the lives of his children with great pleasure.
What happened to Trump's economic nationalistic programs? It's not even discussed anymore, ancient history.
Trump is broke ?? He has billions! Even if he only had a billion he would never run out! Do you even realise how much money that is? The average annual income of a full-time salaried worker in the United States in 2018 was $46,800. And let’s assume this average worker paid no rent, no bills, no taxes, no expenses of any kind. In fact, let’s pretend this person spends no money at all. They just make money.
By the time their wealth amounted to $1 billion, more than 21,000 years would have passed. That is the amount of time it has taken human civilization to evolve from cave-dwelling to where it is today.
It's impossible for him to be broke!!!
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Re: Multiple boats sink during Trump parade [Re: Billy Ray]
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The only way to stop the rich exploiting the working class is, and always will be, guillotines. And maybe some rioting/looting.
Yea right. Biden called Trump’s travel restriction from China Xenophobic. Nancy Pelosi was encouraging people to visit Chinatown and Deblasio was telling people to go about their regular business when we were well aware that the virus was a major health risk.
Rioting/looting won’t stop the rich from exploiting the working class, but looting is a form of reparations for black people because, well 
At least you understand corona is a major health risk.
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Jeff Bezos is likely to become the world's first trillionaire and it could happen in the next six years. Someone seriously just needs to terminate that guy! It's so freaking selfish! He doesn't even pay taxes!
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Re: Multiple boats sink during Trump parade [Re: Shenmue] 1
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Shenmue said: Jeff Bezos is likely to become the world's first trillionaire and it could happen in the next six years. Someone seriously just needs to terminate that guy! It's so freaking selfish! He doesn't even pay taxes!
Yeah, trump should release his to show jeff bezos how billionaires with real integrity do it
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Re: Multiple boats sink during Trump parade [Re: qman]
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Kryptos said: I don't expect Biden to fundamentally change the system. I do, however, expect Biden to be a bit more competent when it comes to things like not letting hundreds of thousands of people die from disease.
The only way to stop the rich exploiting the working class is, and always will be, guillotines. And maybe some rioting/looting.
Yea right. Biden called Trump’s travel restriction from China Xenophobic. Nancy Pelosi was encouraging people to visit Chinatown and Deblasio was telling people to go about their regular business when we were well aware that the virus was a major health risk.
Rioting/looting won’t stop the rich from exploiting the working class, but looting is a form of reparations for black people because, well 
I disagree, protesting/rioting in the correct areas can make change. So far the movement hasn't gone where they need to go, but make no mistake, if you make life dangerous for the very wealthy, you will see a serious difference.
I don't want to say that's a good point because I don't condone making life more dangerous for people, but you have a point.
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Re: Multiple boats sink during Trump parade [Re: Billy Ray]
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Unfortunately, some people are only motivated by their own personal survival and the only way to make them do something is to threaten it.
Unfortunately, aristocrats have a tendency to surround themselves with disposable peasants, meaning that when you harm an aristocrat, you've likely already massacred a few peasant armies.
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Re: Multiple boats sink during Trump parade [Re: Kryptos]
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That's what's frustrating about these movements. They're making a mess for the peasants while the aristocrats cheer them on from ivory towers. It seems like protesters in Chicago had a thought similar to qman's point and began protesting on Lori Lightfoot's street, but she insulated her block with police presence and that was the end of that.
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Re: Multiple boats sink during Trump parade [Re: qman]
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qman said: Yeah, they need Trump in office to stay rich. Those boats never existed before Trump won the election. Are we being serious here?
What the hell do you think Reagan, Clinton, Bush and Obama were doing before Trump? Getting the rich even richer at the expense of the working class. Guess what's going to happened under Biden? It gets even worse.
How exactly does taxing people that make over 300k make the rich getting richer worse?
Because people that make 300k are still high class peasants and nothing more. I'm not saying hiking taxes on people making 300k is a bad idea, but it doesn't address the wealthy people.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2020/08/27/amazon-ceo-jeff-bezos-now-worth-more-than-200-billion/5647366002/ This is just one example of the real wealth and ain't nobody gonna touch it, and that includes bought and paid for Biden.
exploration Because bezos is worth 200 billion 300k is "peasant" status? Not having money for food or rent is peasant status
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Didn't trump spend 66 million of his own money on his presidential campaign? Are you saying he spent all of that money and turned half the country against him just to be controlled and lose everything? He's rich and no one is controlling that guy trust me.
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Re: Multiple boats sink during Trump parade [Re: Shenmue] 1
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Shenmue said: Didn't trump spend 66 million of his own money on his presidential campaign? Are you saying he spent all of that money and turned half the country against him just to be controlled and lose everything? He's rich and no one is controlling that guy trust me.
I don't know if many people remember or not, but about a week after Trump was elected a reporter interviewed Mitch McConnell and asked him how he felt about all of Trump's campaign proposals such as tariffs, infrastructure and immigration. And you know what his response was? It's never going to happen. Why didn't Trump call him out?
Trump run on economic nationalism, that's how he got elected. He didn't do a dam thing for the working class. No trade fix, no jobs returning back to the US, no infrastructure investment, no economic growth. Trump did ONE thing the whole time- massive corporate tax cuts for the wealthiest companies in the world owned by the wealthiest people in the world. Trump is a little bitch.
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Re: Multiple boats sink during Trump parade [Re: Billy Ray] 2
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Billy Ray said: That's what's frustrating about these movements. They're making a mess for the peasants while the aristocrats cheer them on from ivory towers. It seems like protesters in Chicago had a thought similar to qman's point and began protesting on Lori Lightfoot's street, but she insulated her block with police presence and that was the end of that.
That's by design.
You ever watch Star Trek DS9? There's a scene at one point where they're putting together a Cardassian insurgency against the Dominion, and the cardassian guy doesn't want to kill his own people. The Bajoran former terrorist/freedom fighter lady basically gives a speech about collaborators, which kind of boils down to breaking a few eggs to make an omelet. She had, after all, killed many innocent people during her own insurgency, because they got in the way.
Nazis did this as well in Vichy France. They put their HQs in populated areas, and made sure senior SS leadership was always surrounded by French civilians that made effective human shields. They took it a step further by openly murdering innocent civilians as "punishment" whenever the allies sent in commandos to assassinate leadership.
That's an effective defense mechanism against actual change in society. The people who are willing to take actual steps must, almost by definition, do monstrous things. Everyone knows that Stalin killed millions of soviet citizens in the process of turning the USSR from a largely agrarian society into an industrial powerhouse capable of rivaling first the Wehrmacht, then the US. If Stalin didn't do that, then the USSR would not have been able to stand against the Nazi war machine. In all honesty, we'd all probably be speaking Nazi, because as soon as Hitler captured the Baltic oil fields, the only major logistical challenge the Germans had, their lack of oil, would have been solved. They wouldn't have had to rely on significantly less efficient coal gasification processes or literal, actual, booze to fuel their military machines.
Fact is, if there was ever a major revolution against capitalism, I'd probably not survive it. I'm not wealthy, but I am (relatively) well off. I live in a big house in a nice (expensive) community, I have a relatively cushy engineering job. I am, unfortunately, part of the population of skilled professionals that the truly super-rich hide behind. At a certain point, around six figures, you become functionally indistinguishable from the billionaire on the outside. I live in the same type of house in the same neighborhoods that someone with a spare yacht lives. I just don't have a spare yacht. Or a second house.
That's really the funny part. To me, at least. If there was a peasant revolt, I'm wealthy enough to live in the type of neighborhoods that aristocrats live in, but I'm not wealthy enough to hire private security, or to hop on a private plane, or to go on my private yacht and ride it out. I am wealthy enough to be a target, but I am not wealthy enough to escape.
I guess if you wanna make an omelette, you gotta break a few eggs. The trick is to not stop in horror after you've broken the eggs. You gotta put them in the frying pan and turn up the heat. If you don't follow through, then all you did was smash some perfectly good eggs. Good thing they're a dollar a dozen.
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Re: Multiple boats sink during Trump parade [Re: Kryptos]
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Going to be a mass exodus from major cities. At least thats what I am banking on with my country property and acerage. No homeowners association. Cant imagine paying some HA dues, so they can tell you how to live... in your own home. Or having Mrs .Pritchett filing complaint on your over height hedges Lol
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Re: Multiple boats sink during Trump parade [Re: SirTripAlot]
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Where I live property values are going through the roof from all the second homes and air bnbs going in. Cant go to any of the swimming holes, theyve been shut down due to over crowding and pollution. Traffic up 80% it was a stay atbhome order...not go out of the epicenter into the least infected places to spread the disease around order.
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Re: Multiple boats sink during Trump parade [Re: qman]
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Obama and Biden doing a terrible job is what got trump elected. What did Obama accomplish? Not a damn thing. At least trump isn't going after my rights like Biden is. Im not ok with the possibility of a 2nd shut down and I'm not ok with him banning rifles. So fuck Biden.. A second shut down would literally destroy the country! Him even mentioning a second shut down makes him the enemy. I bet if he was the president we would still be shut down and you far lefty's would be praising him for it. You guys don't care about the country and these riots are proof of that.
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Re: Multiple boats sink during Trump parade [Re: Kryptos]
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Billy Ray said: That's what's frustrating about these movements. They're making a mess for the peasants while the aristocrats cheer them on from ivory towers. It seems like protesters in Chicago had a thought similar to qman's point and began protesting on Lori Lightfoot's street, but she insulated her block with police presence and that was the end of that.
That's by design.
You ever watch Star Trek DS9? There's a scene at one point where they're putting together a Cardassian insurgency against the Dominion, and the cardassian guy doesn't want to kill his own people. The Bajoran former terrorist/freedom fighter lady basically gives a speech about collaborators, which kind of boils down to breaking a few eggs to make an omelet. She had, after all, killed many innocent people during her own insurgency, because they got in the way.
Nazis did this as well in Vichy France. They put their HQs in populated areas, and made sure senior SS leadership was always surrounded by French civilians that made effective human shields. They took it a step further by openly murdering innocent civilians as "punishment" whenever the allies sent in commandos to assassinate leadership.
That's an effective defense mechanism against actual change in society. The people who are willing to take actual steps must, almost by definition, do monstrous things. Everyone knows that Stalin killed millions of soviet citizens in the process of turning the USSR from a largely agrarian society into an industrial powerhouse capable of rivaling first the Wehrmacht, then the US. If Stalin didn't do that, then the USSR would not have been able to stand against the Nazi war machine. In all honesty, we'd all probably be speaking Nazi, because as soon as Hitler captured the Baltic oil fields, the only major logistical challenge the Germans had, their lack of oil, would have been solved. They wouldn't have had to rely on significantly less efficient coal gasification processes or literal, actual, booze to fuel their military machines.
Fact is, if there was ever a major revolution against capitalism, I'd probably not survive it. I'm not wealthy, but I am (relatively) well off. I live in a big house in a nice (expensive) community, I have a relatively cushy engineering job. I am, unfortunately, part of the population of skilled professionals that the truly super-rich hide behind. At a certain point, around six figures, you become functionally indistinguishable from the billionaire on the outside. I live in the same type of house in the same neighborhoods that someone with a spare yacht lives. I just don't have a spare yacht. Or a second house.
That's really the funny part. To me, at least. If there was a peasant revolt, I'm wealthy enough to live in the type of neighborhoods that aristocrats live in, but I'm not wealthy enough to hire private security, or to hop on a private plane, or to go on my private yacht and ride it out. I am wealthy enough to be a target, but I am not wealthy enough to escape.
I guess if you wanna make an omelette, you gotta break a few eggs. The trick is to not stop in horror after you've broken the eggs. You gotta put them in the frying pan and turn up the heat. If you don't follow through, then all you did was smash some perfectly good eggs. Good thing they're a dollar a dozen.
What you're saying sounds like it makes sense, but I can't get behind killing people. Is the United States really that bad that we need a revolution? I can't get behind abolishing the police and prison system, critical race theory and disrupting the nuclear family. These are some of the fundamental ideas these groups are working from and I do not see how this stuff leads to a better world. It would be great if we didn't need police or prisons, but that's not logical. People are going to do things that makes them a threat to others and that's why prison is needed. If we abolish the police, who takes over on the streets? It would seem like the people that can't afford private security will be the the ones who suffer from abolishing the police.
I think police and prison reform could go a long way.
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Shenmue said: Obama and Biden doing a terrible job is what got trump elected. What did Obama accomplish? Not a damn thing. At least trump isn't going after my rights like Biden is. Im not ok with the possibility of a 2nd shut down and I'm not ok with him banning rifles. So fuck Biden.. A second shut down would literally destroy the country! Him even mentioning a second shut down makes him the enemy. I bet if he was the president we would still be shut down and you far lefty's would be praising him for it. You guys don't care about the country and these riots are proof of that.
The US mismanaged this pandemic from day one, if another shut down is needed under Trump or Biden that's not the end of the world. In fact, if the government provides the proper reliefs programs it's not even a big deal.
The riots are symbolic that The Elite and our elected officials don't care about the nation, not the other way around. Who shipped tens of millions of high pay jobs out of the US? Yeah, the rich did. Who allowed tens of millions of illegals into the US labor market? Yeah, the rich did. Who destroyed the US middle class? Yeah, the rich did. But let's now blame the ramifications of those policies on the peasants when they start protesting the injustices.
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Re: Multiple boats sink during Trump parade [Re: Billy Ray]
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Billy Ray said: What you're saying sounds like it makes sense, but I can't get behind killing people. Is the United States really that bad that we need a revolution? I can't get behind abolishing the police and prison system, critical race theory and disrupting the nuclear family. These are some of the fundamental ideas these groups are working from and I do not see how this stuff leads to a better world. It would be great if we didn't need police or prisons, but that's not logical. People are going to do things that makes them a threat to others and that's why prison is needed. If we abolish the police, who takes over on the streets? It would seem like the people that can't afford private security will be the the ones who suffer from abolishing the police.
I think police and prison reform could go a long way.
Nobody is talking about abolishing the police. Only defunding the police, because right now the police is a bloated and corrupt institution that collects money that should be going to regular social services. Who gets called when someone has a mental breakdown? Police. Who gets called when someone can't afford to eat? Police. Police are not equipped to deal with mental health crises, nor are they equipped to deal with poverty. They're trained to shoot and then let the courts figure it out. What if instead of police, we had social workers that dealt with mental health crises? Let the police deal with violent crime, and take everything else off their plate. Same with prisons. Prisons are a place for violent criminals that need to be removed from society. Putting an addict in prison to "clean them up" does nothing but promote societal misery.
Of course, I think it's interesting that since the police was established as something other than slave catchers in the mid-19th century, the criminal code became more complicated. Used to be, everyone knew what a crime was, because everyone agreed that stealing and killing was wrong. Now walking in the wrong part of a public road is a crime. You probably commit multiple crimes every day without even realizing it. I'm guessing at least one felony every few days, technically.
What's wrong with critical race theory? Do you disagree that crime, poverty, and other social ills are a result of social choices? That's basically the foundation of CRT: the idea that social problems are caused by social structures and cultural assumptions. It's clearest in the form of racism, but it applies to everything else as well.
I don;t know where you got "disrupting the nuclear family" from, I'm guessing that's a Fox News slogan. Nobody wants to destroy the nuclear family. I just believe that people should be able to fuck whoever they want to fuck as consenting adults. Someone being gay, or trans, or poly doesn't "disrupt the nuclear family", unless the thought that some dude might like dicks in his ass somewhere has caused problems in your marriage. Which seems more like a personal issue, from my perspective. I don't know, I don't spend my time worrying about other dude's dicks.
The thing is, these are all steps that must be taken explicitly to prevent a revolution. Revolution is the language of the voiceless and oppressed. If you ignore people's valid complaints about society, then you open the door to them ignoring your valid complaints about their actions. If a school shooter snaps after four months of bullying, what do you think happens after 40 (for white working class) or 400 (for black people) years of oppression?
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The boats sank because there were too many driving too close together ... fucking morons .
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Re: Multiple boats sink during Trump parade [Re: Psilynut2]
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Billy Ray said: What you're saying sounds like it makes sense, but I can't get behind killing people. Is the United States really that bad that we need a revolution? I can't get behind abolishing the police and prison system, critical race theory and disrupting the nuclear family. These are some of the fundamental ideas these groups are working from and I do not see how this stuff leads to a better world. It would be great if we didn't need police or prisons, but that's not logical. People are going to do things that makes them a threat to others and that's why prison is needed. If we abolish the police, who takes over on the streets? It would seem like the people that can't afford private security will be the the ones who suffer from abolishing the police.
I think police and prison reform could go a long way.
Nobody is talking about abolishing the police. Only defunding the police, because right now the police is a bloated and corrupt institution that collects money that should be going to regular social services. Who gets called when someone has a mental breakdown? Police. Who gets called when someone can't afford to eat? Police. Police are not equipped to deal with mental health crises, nor are they equipped to deal with poverty. They're trained to shoot and then let the courts figure it out. What if instead of police, we had social workers that dealt with mental health crises? Let the police deal with violent crime, and take everything else off their plate. Same with prisons. Prisons are a place for violent criminals that need to be removed from society. Putting an addict in prison to "clean them up" does nothing but promote societal misery.
Of course, I think it's interesting that since the police was established as something other than slave catchers in the mid-19th century, the criminal code became more complicated. Used to be, everyone knew what a crime was, because everyone agreed that stealing and killing was wrong. Now walking in the wrong part of a public road is a crime. You probably commit multiple crimes every day without even realizing it. I'm guessing at least one felony every few days, technically.
What's wrong with critical race theory? Do you disagree that crime, poverty, and other social ills are a result of social choices? That's basically the foundation of CRT: the idea that social problems are caused by social structures and cultural assumptions. It's clearest in the form of racism, but it applies to everything else as well.
I don;t know where you got "disrupting the nuclear family" from, I'm guessing that's a Fox News slogan. Nobody wants to destroy the nuclear family. I just believe that people should be able to fuck whoever they want to fuck as consenting adults. Someone being gay, or trans, or poly doesn't "disrupt the nuclear family", unless the thought that some dude might like dicks in his ass somewhere has caused problems in your marriage. Which seems more like a personal issue, from my perspective. I don't know, I don't spend my time worrying about other dude's dicks.
The thing is, these are all steps that must be taken explicitly to prevent a revolution. Revolution is the language of the voiceless and oppressed. If you ignore people's valid complaints about society, then you open the door to them ignoring your valid complaints about their actions. If a school shooter snaps after four months of bullying, what do you think happens after 40 (for white working class) or 400 (for black people) years of oppression?
People are talking about abolishing the police. Here's a NY Times article with the title, Yes, We Mean Literally Abolish The Police. Here's an article of a BLM Philadelphia organizer proposing a 5 year plan to abolish the police. I agree with a lot of what you say and that's why I think police reform can work.
In regards to disrupting the nuclear family, those are the exact words on blacklivesmatter.com I do not care what people are doing sexually. I think it's easy to observe that generally speaking, two parents are better than one, yet black children are much more likely to be raised by a single parent than any other race. https://datacenter.kidscount.org/data/tables/107-children-in-single-parent-families-by-race?loc=1&loct=2#ranking/2/any/true/37/10/431.
I disagree with anything that discriminates someone based on the color of their skin, therefore critical race theory is bogus to me.
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Re: Multiple boats sink during Trump parade [Re: Billy Ray]
#26921768 - 09/06/20 06:52 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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If you reject anything that discriminates based on skin color you'd consider the data showing black children being more likely to be raised by single parents bogus too.
"Discriminate" doesn't always carry a negative connotation. Discrimination is in fact used all of the time in numerous legitimate ways. That said, a denial of the less fortunate reality of black people in this country is discrimination (the negative connotation) in its own right.
Most people who are for major police reform are also aware that abolition of the police in total is silly. The better argument is that we pay for the police, and they aren't delivering the product we want, so we should shift our funding to services that are more worthwhile. There's hardly anything to argue about when it's phrased this way.
Finally, as far as disrupting the nuclear family, you are being a little dramatic (from the BLM site);
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We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable.
Having a positive community sounds like a great thing to me. There's nothing destructive about it.
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Re: Multiple boats sink during Trump parade [Re: christopera]
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How am I being dramatic? Those are the words on the website.
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Re: Multiple boats sink during Trump parade [Re: Billy Ray]
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Because disrupting the nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable is absolutely no threat to you or anybody else. You are literally saying that you are against these things, which is silly.
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Re: Multiple boats sink during Trump parade [Re: christopera]
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Two parents caring for their child is better than a village caring for a child.
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Re: Multiple boats sink during Trump parade [Re: Billy Ray]
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You can't get behind community wanting to take care of and enrich the life of a child because two parents are better?
Okay.
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Re: Multiple boats sink during Trump parade [Re: Kryptos]
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Billy Ray said: What you're saying sounds like it makes sense, but I can't get behind killing people. Is the United States really that bad that we need a revolution? I can't get behind abolishing the police and prison system, critical race theory and disrupting the nuclear family. These are some of the fundamental ideas these groups are working from and I do not see how this stuff leads to a better world. It would be great if we didn't need police or prisons, but that's not logical. People are going to do things that makes them a threat to others and that's why prison is needed. If we abolish the police, who takes over on the streets? It would seem like the people that can't afford private security will be the the ones who suffer from abolishing the police.
I think police and prison reform could go a long way.
Nobody is talking about abolishing the police. Only defunding the police, because right now the police is a bloated and corrupt institution that collects money that should be going to regular social services. Who gets called when someone has a mental breakdown? Police. Who gets called when someone can't afford to eat? Police. Police are not equipped to deal with mental health crises, nor are they equipped to deal with poverty. They're trained to shoot and then let the courts figure it out. What if instead of police, we had social workers that dealt with mental health crises? Let the police deal with violent crime, and take everything else off their plate. Same with prisons. Prisons are a place for violent criminals that need to be removed from society. Putting an addict in prison to "clean them up" does nothing but promote societal misery.
Of course, I think it's interesting that since the police was established as something other than slave catchers in the mid-19th century, the criminal code became more complicated. Used to be, everyone knew what a crime was, because everyone agreed that stealing and killing was wrong. Now walking in the wrong part of a public road is a crime. You probably commit multiple crimes every day without even realizing it. I'm guessing at least one felony every few days, technically.
What's wrong with critical race theory? Do you disagree that crime, poverty, and other social ills are a result of social choices? That's basically the foundation of CRT: the idea that social problems are caused by social structures and cultural assumptions. It's clearest in the form of racism, but it applies to everything else as well.
I don;t know where you got "disrupting the nuclear family" from, I'm guessing that's a Fox News slogan. Nobody wants to destroy the nuclear family. I just believe that people should be able to fuck whoever they want to fuck as consenting adults. Someone being gay, or trans, or poly doesn't "disrupt the nuclear family", unless the thought that some dude might like dicks in his ass somewhere has caused problems in your marriage. Which seems more like a personal issue, from my perspective. I don't know, I don't spend my time worrying about other dude's dicks.
The thing is, these are all steps that must be taken explicitly to prevent a revolution. Revolution is the language of the voiceless and oppressed. If you ignore people's valid complaints about society, then you open the door to them ignoring your valid complaints about their actions. If a school shooter snaps after four months of bullying, what do you think happens after 40 (for white working class) or 400 (for black people) years of oppression?
I strongly disagree with defunding the police to see police brutality changed. So does Biden, he knows it would be a terrible idea to advocate Nationwide reallocation of police funding. Murder still happens robberies still happen, we need police to be on board for real change that means coming up with a plan that doesn't just fit your agenda but is realistic. If anything all police departments should be required to have body cams and funding for it. Also they need more psychological vetting and training is needed. I don't see any route of "relocating" police funds. Leads to more crime and undermines Biden's chances. Your feeding into what Trump want to see. What Republican voters will point as as ridiculous. That might not be the reality you want but it's a better reality then 4 more years of this.
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So what good are they?
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Re: Multiple boats sink during Trump parade [Re: christopera] 1
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Re: Multiple boats sink during Trump parade [Re: christopera]
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Murder still happens robberies still happen
So what good are they?
Im sorry but who do you want investigating your loved ones murder? Who do you want negotiating in a hostage situation, school shootings,mass murderers, rapist, the list doesn't end in the things that we can't or won't stop. Why are crimes committed when you have police? Free will we have ALWAYS had law and criminals for thousands of years in the form that resembles us most. Also police do stop a lot of crimes, they stop a lot of robberies,rapes,active shooters. A good percentage are the cops you hate for a good reason but the majority you hate for no reason and that won't stand up to logic or be seen as working together. It's not as easy as reinvesting money in the communities unfortunately.
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Re: Multiple boats sink during Trump parade [Re: qman]
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qman said: Yeah, Biden has a wonderful track https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violent_Crime_Control_and_Law_Enforcement_Actrecord with the police.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/6/20/18677998/joe-biden-1994-crime-bill-law-mass-incarceration

You should know people voting against this or for that often means there was shit in the bill drop in the text that would be insane to pass so unless you know the cases well legally it's hard to make that case
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qman said: Yeah, Biden has a wonderful track https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violent_Crime_Control_and_Law_Enforcement_Actrecord with the police.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/6/20/18677998/joe-biden-1994-crime-bill-law-mass-incarceration

You should know people voting against this or for that often means there was shit in the bill drop in the text that would be insane to pass so unless you know the cases well legally it's hard to make that case
Make what case exactly? Biden drafted the crime bill which ultimately turned into a massive disaster. Are you disputing this assessment? Did you read the links? https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/6/20/18677998/joe-biden-1994-crime-bill-law-mass-incarceration
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violent_Crime_Control_and_Law_Enforcement_Act
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Murder still happens robberies still happen
So what good are they?
Im sorry but who do you want investigating your loved ones murder? Who do you want negotiating in a hostage situation, school shootings,mass murderers, rapist, the list doesn't end in the things that we can't or won't stop. Why are crimes committed when you have police? Free will we have ALWAYS had law and criminals for thousands of years in the form that resembles us most. Also police do stop a lot of crimes, they stop a lot of robberies,rapes,active shooters. A good percentage are the cops you hate for a good reason but the majority you hate for no reason and that won't stand up to logic or be seen as working together. It's not as easy as reinvesting money in the communities unfortunately.
What percentage of those crimes you listed do the police stop?
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Murder still happens robberies still happen
So what good are they?
Im sorry but who do you want investigating your loved ones murder? Who do you want negotiating in a hostage situation, school shootings,mass murderers, rapist, the list doesn't end in the things that we can't or won't stop. Why are crimes committed when you have police? Free will we have ALWAYS had law and criminals for thousands of years in the form that resembles us most. Also police do stop a lot of crimes, they stop a lot of robberies,rapes,active shooters. A good percentage are the cops you hate for a good reason but the majority you hate for no reason and that won't stand up to logic or be seen as working together. It's not as easy as reinvesting money in the communities unfortunately.
Why are you sorry?
Maybe we could have investigators that aren't allowed to murder you without consequence? It takes imagination, I know.
You should address qman, because i don't think there's much evidence for them stopping much anything. Unless of course it's a traffic stop.
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Re: Multiple boats sink during Trump parade [Re: christopera]
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Yeah alot of traffic stops are bullshit mostly but even a broken clock is right 2 times a day. The fact that they stop crime in many ways from just having police presence to retire, going to domestic violence calls often ends in saving a life by stopping the crime before it starts. Traffic stops do target people for money and occasionally find real bad people about to kill or do something horrible. One way or another this comes down to political ammo against a greater opportunity to change it. My father is ex LAPD after he got outta Vietnam and my step dad was in a combined 45 years years and both of them stopped a lot of bad shit. My dad and my family was threatened by officers after trying to expose injustice. I just think swing voters will not take any defunding of police right now.
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Re: Multiple boats sink during Trump parade [Re: qman]
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Shenmue said: Obama and Biden doing a terrible job is what got trump elected. What did Obama accomplish? Not a damn thing. At least trump isn't going after my rights like Biden is. Im not ok with the possibility of a 2nd shut down and I'm not ok with him banning rifles. So fuck Biden.. A second shut down would literally destroy the country! Him even mentioning a second shut down makes him the enemy. I bet if he was the president we would still be shut down and you far lefty's would be praising him for it. You guys don't care about the country and these riots are proof of that.
The US mismanaged this pandemic from day one, if another shut down is needed under Trump or Biden that's not the end of the world. In fact, if the government provides the proper reliefs programs it's not even a big deal.
The riots are symbolic that The Elite and our elected officials don't care about the nation, not the other way around. Who shipped tens of millions of high pay jobs out of the US? Yeah, the rich did. Who allowed tens of millions of illegals into the US labor market? Yeah, the rich did. Who destroyed the US middle class? Yeah, the rich did. But let's now blame the ramifications of those policies on the peasants when they start protesting the injustices. 
Are you fucking insane? This is exactly what I'm talking about! We can't do another shut down! It'll literally be another great depression and people will die! Do you think the money for the relief programs is falling off of trees? We're the ones paying for it!!! Do you think there's jobs waiting for these unemployed people? You have to be young as fuck. It's like you don't think with logic at all.
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Re: Multiple boats sink during Trump parade [Re: qman]
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I bet you're one of those people that didn't make anything before the pandemic and you're wanting more free money. I would seriously bet my life on it.
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Re: Multiple boats sink during Trump parade [Re: Shenmue] 1
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Shenmue said: Do you think the money for the relief programs is falling off of trees? We're the ones paying for it!!!
Billionaires who are making record profits are the ones that should pay for it, not you and me.
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Billionaires who are making record profits are the ones that should pay for it, not you and me.
He's completely ignorant to the fact that the banks have already been supplemented (by the Fed) for potential lack of payments from individuals and businesses. So it's nothing more than a choice at this point to foreclose on them. He has been suckered into The Elites scare tactics and that's why he's now resorting to personal insults when someone challenges his false narrative.
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Shenmue said: Obama and Biden doing a terrible job is what got trump elected. What did Obama accomplish? Not a damn thing. At least trump isn't going after my rights like Biden is. Im not ok with the possibility of a 2nd shut down and I'm not ok with him banning rifles. So fuck Biden.. A second shut down would literally destroy the country! Him even mentioning a second shut down makes him the enemy. I bet if he was the president we would still be shut down and you far lefty's would be praising him for it. You guys don't care about the country and these riots are proof of that.
The US mismanaged this pandemic from day one, if another shut down is needed under Trump or Biden that's not the end of the world. In fact, if the government provides the proper reliefs programs it's not even a big deal.
The riots are symbolic that The Elite and our elected officials don't care about the nation, not the other way around. Who shipped tens of millions of high pay jobs out of the US? Yeah, the rich did. Who allowed tens of millions of illegals into the US labor market? Yeah, the rich did. Who destroyed the US middle class? Yeah, the rich did. But let's now blame the ramifications of those policies on the peasants when they start protesting the injustices. 
Are you fucking insane? This is exactly what I'm talking about! We can't do another shut down! It'll literally be another great depression and people will die! Do you think the money for the relief programs is falling off of trees? We're the ones paying for it!!! Do you think there's jobs waiting for these unemployed people? You have to be young as fuck. It's like you don't think with logic at all.
I think you lack a basic understanding how the economics works. Most of the relief programs come in the form of mortgage and rent suspensions. The government already gave the banks the money to not suffer the loss from non-payment. The banks now need to pass on that relief, but guess what? They don't want to, instead they want to take assets from people and businesses that are down and out.
Do you have any evidence that the government providing relief programs during a pandemic will cause a great depression, or did you just pull that out of your ass?
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I was more than fine before this pandemic and I'm more than fine today. So instead of resorting to personal insults, why don't you address just the issues, or is that too difficult for you?
BTW, I am young as you guessed, I won't be 50 for another 6 months.
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Re: Multiple boats sink during Trump parade [Re: qman]
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Is there job's waiting for all of these unemployed people? Is the government going to pay for their rent, food, gas, car payments, clothes and everything else they need 12 months from now? Are these people going to have exactly what they had before the shutdown? The answer is NO! Destroying millions of lives to save thousands is fucking stupid! I seriously wish people like you would fall off the face of the earth. You're selfish, want to tell other people what to do and care nothing about freedom. Shutting down businesses and forcing people to stay home is fucked up! I wish we had some type of war against the radical left and destroyed you. God I hate you people ...
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Re: Multiple boats sink during Trump parade [Re: Psilynut2]
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Billy Ray said: Two parents caring for their child is better than a village caring for a child.
This here is why America is falling behind. Nobody gives a fuck what happens outside of their own house.
So, if you're clearly not interested in helping my family, why the fuck should I care what you think, or how your family lives?
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Shenmue said: Obama and Biden doing a terrible job is what got trump elected. What did Obama accomplish? Not a damn thing. At least trump isn't going after my rights like Biden is. Im not ok with the possibility of a 2nd shut down and I'm not ok with him banning rifles. So fuck Biden.. A second shut down would literally destroy the country! Him even mentioning a second shut down makes him the enemy. I bet if he was the president we would still be shut down and you far lefty's would be praising him for it. You guys don't care about the country and these riots are proof of that.
The US mismanaged this pandemic from day one, if another shut down is needed under Trump or Biden that's not the end of the world. In fact, if the government provides the proper reliefs programs it's not even a big deal.
The riots are symbolic that The Elite and our elected officials don't care about the nation, not the other way around. Who shipped tens of millions of high pay jobs out of the US? Yeah, the rich did. Who allowed tens of millions of illegals into the US labor market? Yeah, the rich did. Who destroyed the US middle class? Yeah, the rich did. But let's now blame the ramifications of those policies on the peasants when they start protesting the injustices. 
Are you fucking insane? This is exactly what I'm talking about! We can't do another shut down! It'll literally be another great depression and people will die! Do you think the money for the relief programs is falling off of trees? We're the ones paying for it!!! Do you think there's jobs waiting for these unemployed people? You have to be young as fuck. It's like you don't think with logic at all.
The economy will slide into a great depression anyway. I joked about it with boomermemes earlier, but the truth is that a consumer based economy doesn't function when there aren't, ya know, consumers. Now, third quarter GDP is probably going to be record high, because second quarter GDP was -32%, but fourth quarter GDP is probably going to be another drop as people run out of money to spend.
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That's not why the boats sank. Lots of similar sized boats driving close together don't sink. The reason the boats sank, and the reason this is such a perfect representation of American society, is that the huge boats drove through the little boats with no regard for their wake, and their wake swamped the little boats.
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/texas-trump-boat-parade-the-wake-of-other-boats-caused-5-boats-to-sink-sheriff-s-office-says/ar-BB18N5nP?ocid=msedgdhp
Yeah, no one said they were the brightest of people. This article made me laugh. ABANDON SHIP! Amazing video as well. All those flags going to waste and people jumping off. What is a wake?
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Re: Multiple boats sink during Trump parade [Re: Shenmue]
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I know you're ignoring me, but...businesses are doing perfectly fine, just look at the stock market.
Oh, you mean the little businesses, and the individual families? Yeah, those guys are gone. If the government doesn't bail them out, they're fucked.
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Re: Multiple boats sink during Trump parade [Re: Barnaby]
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Yeah, no one said they were the brightest of people. This article made me laugh. ABANDON SHIP! Amazing video as well. All those flags going to waste and people jumping off. What is a wake?
A wake is the waves caused by displacement of water by boats. You know that V-shaped wave coming from the back of every boats you've ever seen (that wasn;t up on a plane-when they skim above the water)? That's a wake.
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Re: Multiple boats sink during Trump parade [Re: Kryptos]
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I had no idea. But thanks for telling me what I already know and use common sense for! Some people actually do boating and sailing themselves with common sense. But Trump people know more than anyone about everything.
I forgot. Thank you for that idiotic response. Stop wasting my time.
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Re: Multiple boats sink during Trump parade [Re: Barnaby]
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I forgot. Thank you for that idiotic response. Stop wasting my time.
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Re: Multiple boats sink during Trump parade [Re: Billy Ray]
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Billy Ray said: I think he’s on pace to be a trillionaire in a few years.
It's frequently projected to happen in 2026
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Re: Multiple boats sink during Trump parade [Re: Shenmue]
#26923144 - 09/07/20 01:55 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I doubt that.
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Shenmue said: Is there job's waiting for all of these unemployed people? Is the government going to pay for their rent, food, gas, car payments, clothes and everything else they need 12 months from now? Are these people going to have exactly what they had before the shutdown? The answer is NO! Destroying millions of lives to save thousands is fucking stupid! I seriously wish people like you would fall off the face of the earth. You're selfish, want to tell other people what to do and care nothing about freedom. Shutting down businesses and forcing people to stay home is fucked up! I wish we had some type of war against the radical left and destroyed you. God I hate you people ...
You're obviously very emotional about this subject matter and ignorant to the fact that most Western nations have already implemented long term employment, housing, rent, food and other relief programs for this pandemic. Guess what? It's working for the people better than the non-sense taking place in the US today.
BTW, why should most Americans even need so much relief during a pandemic, shouldn't they already have enough resources and savings to be just fine? Nope, most working class people are broke due to the economic policies of the people you admire for some strange reason.
Why is Wall Street making new highs during an economic depression? Because they got FINANCIAL RELIEF ($5 trillion so far) from the GOVERNMENT. Who's going to pay for it???
I don't mean to sound rude, but you don't even understand what's even taking place economically in the US today. Why don't you start learning and stop ranting about inflicting pain on people that know about this subject matter much more than you do?
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Re: Multiple boats sink during Trump parade [Re: Kryptos]
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Yeah, no one said they were the brightest of people. This article made me laugh. ABANDON SHIP! Amazing video as well. All those flags going to waste and people jumping off. What is a wake?
A wake is the waves caused by displacement of water by boats. You know that V-shaped wave coming from the back of every boats you've ever seen (that wasn;t up on a plane-when they skim above the water)? That's a wake.
It’s not just the one wake. One wake isn’t going to sink a boat. The problem is that waves interact, and the amplitude of two or more waves add up. When two three foot waves meet each other, you get an instantaneous six foot crest where they meet. When you have dozens of boats in all directions, you end up with total chaos.
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Re: Multiple boats sink during Trump parade [Re: koods]
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Yeah, no one said they were the brightest of people. This article made me laugh. ABANDON SHIP! Amazing video as well. All those flags going to waste and people jumping off. What is a wake?
A wake is the waves caused by displacement of water by boats. You know that V-shaped wave coming from the back of every boats you've ever seen (that wasn;t up on a plane-when they skim above the water)? That's a wake.
It’s not just the one wake. One wake isn’t going to sink a boat. The problem is that waves interact, and the amplitude of two or more waves add up. When two three foot waves meet each other, you get an instantaneous six foot crest where they meet. When you have dozens of boats in all directions, you end up with total chaos.
Depends on the bow design. As soon as a wave washes over the bow of a boat that's moving forward, that boat is done. That's why boats always have taller bows, and even then, usually have secondary wavebreaks on top of the bow (for motorboats, this often doubles as a windshield). Outside of very specific design choices (sealed buoyant compartments in the bow) which are not common outside of boats designed for either racing or the ocean, a wave that goes over the bow of a boat will sink it. If a boat is riding low, due to, for example, a bunch of people and flags, that wave doesn't need to be very big. That's why higher-end racers that have very low profile hull designs, like lasers, are generally one giant airbag.
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Re: Multiple boats sink during Trump parade [Re: Kryptos]
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you can cut a boston whaler in half with a chainsaw and both sides will still float.
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Re: Multiple boats sink during Trump parade [Re: ballsalsa]
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Re: Multiple boats sink during Trump parade [Re: ballsalsa]
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Yeah, no one said they were the brightest of people. This article made me laugh. ABANDON SHIP! Amazing video as well. All those flags going to waste and people jumping off. What is a wake?
A wake is the waves caused by displacement of water by boats. You know that V-shaped wave coming from the back of every boats you've ever seen (that wasn;t up on a plane-when they skim above the water)? That's a wake.
It’s not just the one wake. One wake isn’t going to sink a boat. The problem is that waves interact, and the amplitude of two or more waves add up. When two three foot waves meet each other, you get an instantaneous six foot crest where they meet. When you have dozens of boats in all directions, you end up with total chaos.
Depends on the bow design. As soon as a wave washes over the bow of a boat that's moving forward, that boat is done. That's why boats always have taller bows, and even then, usually have secondary wavebreaks on top of the bow (for motorboats, this often doubles as a windshield). Outside of very specific design choices (sealed buoyant compartments in the bow) which are not common outside of boats designed for either racing or the ocean, a wave that goes over the bow of a boat will sink it. If a boat is riding low, due to, for example, a bunch of people and flags, that wave doesn't need to be very big. That's why higher-end racers that have very low profile hull designs, like lasers, are generally one giant airbag.
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Source: some old advertisement or something, maybe
I think nearly all boats made in the last 30 years have too much mandated flotation foam to sink. They fill up with water but don't sink. I'm not sure about really big boats.
I was in a boat that capsized on the second biggest lake in Wisconsin. My friend had customized the boat, building some decking in the front which added weight. Some minnows got stuck in the bilge pump, but we were too drunk and high to notice until it was too late. You're supposed to remain calm and paddle with your hands, but we panicked a bit and turned it over.
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my dad's buddy sunk our skiff once. He had been using it to get back and forth from in the marina (he lived on a boat). left it tied off to the swim step during a big storm. The thing is full of foam and not supposed to sink but the big boat came down on top of the little skiff and pushed it far enough under to sink it. Made him winch it off the bottom. lost the motor but still have the skiff.
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Re: Multiple boats sink during Trump parade [Re: ballsalsa]
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I didn't think that could happen. Seems like the foam must have been defective. In any case, seeing is believing.
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Re: Multiple boats sink during Trump parade [Re: qman]
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BTW, why should most Americans even need so much relief during a pandemic, shouldn't they already have enough resources and savings to be just fine? Nope, most working class people are broke due to the economic policies of the people you admire for some strange reason.
Many people put no value in saving money. They put more value in other things . . .
To blame this on government is hilarious. But a common tactic. Blame it on government.
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BTW, why should most Americans even need so much relief during a pandemic, shouldn't they already have enough resources and savings to be just fine? Nope, most working class people are broke due to the economic policies of the people you admire for some strange reason.
Many people put no value in saving money. They put more value in other things . . .
To blame this on government is hilarious. But a common tactic. Blame it on government.
A lot of people can't save money when it all goes to rent, medical care and food
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Capitalists: Capitalist
People spend money until they're broke
Capitalists: Should have saved money!
People save money
Economy: Collapses
Capitalists: NO NOT LIKE THAT! *raise rent*
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BTW, why should most Americans even need so much relief during a pandemic, shouldn't they already have enough resources and savings to be just fine? Nope, most working class people are broke due to the economic policies of the people you admire for some strange reason.
Many people put no value in saving money. They put more value in other things . . .
To blame this on government is hilarious. But a common tactic. Blame it on government.
So when real wages declines for 40 years and the top 1% makes 100%'s more, who should we blame?
When wages as a percentage of national income declines for 40 years, who should we blame?
So yes, if the government didn't purposely fuck over the middle class and they still didn't have any savings, I could take your position. But that didn't happen, did it?
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Re: Multiple boats sink during Trump parade [Re: qman]
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I'd blame the rich people that are actively engaged in regulatory capture.
In other words, republicans. And some democrats.
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