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Wavy cap, monotub help/thoughts
    #26919472 - 09/05/20 02:30 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

First time attempting to cultivate, since when I started Ive seen that this type is hard/next to impossible.. unless tayloring it with alder chips, etc.
I colonized northspore grains, injected with spores, transfered to tubs with their boomr bag substrate (pasturized manuer). I think the only reason I may have a shot, is because it is manuer based.
After colonized, I cased woith cyco coco (based on northspore monotub video) sprayed it twice heavily.
Once casing was about 30% I activated fogger and fans. Fogger is with regulator set at 85 and to turn on within -4. Fan kicks on for 1 minute once every hour to encourge evaporation/pinning.
I activating pinning 10 days ago.
Im just hoping someone may have a healthy tip.. noone ever tries cyans indoors, I will probably be ordering cubes once these fail/succeed.

Side note, because I doubted these would work, I also have some pftek jars 1/4 so far colonized, also spread the last of my spore bag grains in my flower bed. Sprinkler kicks on twice a day for 1 minute (live in PNW) so there is hope maybe one of these will work. Pf tek probably not with cyans tho.
Anyways thanks, if anyone has thoughts to share.


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Re: Wavy cap, monotub help/thoughts [Re: blackberry]
    #26919480 - 09/05/20 02:33 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: Wavy cap, monotub help/thoughts [Re: blackberry]
    #26919491 - 09/05/20 02:36 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I didn't even think I'd see this much mycelium on my first attempt, but I've read growing mycelium is the easy part, getting them to pin is the tough part..


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Re: Wavy cap, monotub help/thoughts [Re: blackberry]
    #26919500 - 09/05/20 02:37 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Does anybody think I have a chance in hell of actually pulling this off?


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Re: Wavy cap, monotub help/thoughts [Re: blackberry]
    #26919513 - 09/05/20 02:44 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Should I sprinkler a couple handfuls of coco over the tub that is more colonized, spray with h20 to field capacity, to avoid an an overlay?


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Re: Wavy cap, monotub help/thoughts [Re: blackberry]
    #26919523 - 09/05/20 02:49 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I'm sure if this were cubes, I'd probably be successful.. but cyans are so amazing I was greatly drawn to them. Best experiences visually ever with them in nature.


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Re: Wavy cap, monotub help/thoughts [Re: blackberry]
    #26919559 - 09/05/20 03:12 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)




Edited by blackberry (09/05/20 03:16 PM)


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Re: Wavy cap, monotub help/thoughts [Re: blackberry]
    #26919566 - 09/05/20 03:18 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

You’re doing way too much with them manure should not be used
you put spores to agar to make sure it’s clean then you put that to straight wheat ,from there it goes into Alder chips that’s it
I have nine large 5 gallon tubs growing and they are producing mushrooms in the middle of August in 90° weather

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26878760


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Re: Wavy cap, monotub help/thoughts [Re: 99.99]
    #26919568 - 09/05/20 03:19 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: Wavy cap, monotub help/thoughts [Re: blackberry]
    #26919571 - 09/05/20 03:21 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Yeah I know it’s a mono tub grow I’ll bet you anything if I were to just set these in my house they would still pin

The point is don’t think you’re making some kind environment you think they may like just leave them exposed to the elements and they’ll do fine


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Re: Wavy cap, monotub help/thoughts [Re: 99.99]
    #26919593 - 09/05/20 03:30 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Okay, i created my membership to post my experience.. in 14 days I will check that out and do that.
I found related posts for spores to agar, I have 4 syringes of wavy cap left in the fridge. Def, go down that ave next.
I will also do research on your thread regaurding "strait wheat".. I picture actual harvested wheat, but thats probably incorrect. Almost like a straw type substrate to colonize under/mixed alder chips.

Hopefully that thread will be eye opening. Really looking forward to diging in once my membership gets past its probationary 14 day period.


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Re: Wavy cap, monotub help/thoughts [Re: blackberry]
    #26919622 - 09/05/20 03:39 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)



Also wondering now, with these once these finish, putting them in the alder chips in a couple weeks may be successful


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Re: Wavy cap, monotub help/thoughts [Re: blackberry]
    #26919626 - 09/05/20 03:45 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Ordered fine and chunky alder. Will give it another go, some with the pftek broken up..
Also try spore syringe to agar, to wheat, to alder.
Thank you, I have time an resources to give it a go, before going down the path of cubes.


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Re: Wavy cap, monotub help/thoughts [Re: blackberry]
    #26919631 - 09/05/20 03:51 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I didn’t know you couldn’t read that ......I just bought alder sawdust the easier it is for  mycelium to digest the better it works

This is my original post as I’d like to spread them all around the PNW
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26254987

Well my grain to Alder Wood chips has worked really well and successfully here
it is the middle of August and I already have pins poking up



I have a unique set up to keep the slugs away from the mushrooms ,
they are sitting on a cart with the tubs placed in between ladder runs this keeps the slugs from being able to go up into the containers



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Re: Wavy cap, monotub help/thoughts [Re: blackberry]
    #26919632 - 09/05/20 03:53 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)



Also trying outside, scraping back our multch, mycelium has looked happy.. tho there is also the rhyzosphere of other plans, that looks identical to what I put there. Who knows, was my 3rd shot to try and make them work this season


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Re: Wavy cap, monotub help/thoughts [Re: blackberry]
    #26919635 - 09/05/20 03:56 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Okay, thats exactly what I need to do.


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Re: Wavy cap, monotub help/thoughts [Re: blackberry]
    #26919640 - 09/05/20 03:59 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

That thread is awesome, thank you so much


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Re: Wavy cap, monotub help/thoughts [Re: blackberry]
    #26919649 - 09/05/20 04:05 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Do you think if recase with coco, knocking/delaying them until alder chips arrive, add alder at that point, they may actually pin?
I ordered fine and chunky..


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Re: Wavy cap, monotub help/thoughts [Re: blackberry]
    #26920145 - 09/05/20 08:51 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I’ve even got the wavy cap to pin on Agar



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Re: Wavy cap, monotub help/thoughts [Re: 99.99]
    #26920249 - 09/05/20 10:21 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Man i saw that! Or the early signs of pins, when i saw the post... Going to get some nurient agar ready tray 20 pack.. use a SAB and dowel the center, carefully spore syringe a drop in the center, hopefully have the success you have.
Feel like ive already missed the season and pissed my grain bags away on manuer substrate. Just remembered as a kid saying the ones we ate were located in a cow pasture. Ha.

Figure Ill throw alder chips in a bin, dump a few buckets of boiling water, wait 24 hrs and spread them inside the current tubs.

Sprinkled coco on top of the grain bits that are showing up above the current casing, to avoid them drying out and causing contam issuea.
Held a spray bottle couple feet away and let the mist fall onto the mycelium.. hoping the evaporation triggers what the fog is not doing by itsself.. even with the fogger the coco dryest spots are getting bigger.


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    #26920260 - 09/05/20 10:30 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

That substate you have looks REALLY dark for alder chip sawdust? Almost looks like a compost, did you case your bins with anything? Looks like a soil almost..


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Re: Wavy cap, monotub help/thoughts [Re: blackberry]
    #26920330 - 09/06/20 12:07 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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That substate you have looks REALLY dark for alder chip sawdust? Almost looks like a compost, did you case your bins with anything? Looks like a soil almost..




Yes i did case with 80/20 peatmoss  because the 90° weather was drying out the alder very bad
I still need to water these daily, but they’re to the point now where all the alder sawdust is basically one giant lump so when I water them it floats

NOTE,I did nothing to the alder sawdust I picked it up from the manufacture, no pasteurized no sterilize nothing

I Melted an 1/8 inch hole  in the bottom about every 6 inches so the tub would drain all excess water


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Re: Wavy cap, monotub help/thoughts [Re: 99.99]
    #26920345 - 09/06/20 12:33 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks man, that's exactly the info i needed. Your awsome bro.


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    #26923490 - 09/07/20 05:55 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)



Added 1/4 1/2 of fine alder shavings as a top casing. If it eats through it, i imagine i may just get them to pin. Maybe, last ditch effort


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Re: Wavy cap, monotub help/thoughts [Re: blackberry]
    #26923509 - 09/07/20 06:08 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Do you think if recase with coco, knocking/delaying them until alder chips arrive, add alder at that point, they may actually pin?
I ordered fine and chunky..



Cyans start pinning based on temperature. Alder chips are definitely a strong choice for substrate.  They won't pin until night temps are in the low 50's or high forties. It's tough to get them to fruit indoors because of this. Outdoors, they are easy, if you live in the right place.  See this thread: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24818076/page/1

Chunky chips are fine, BTW.  Mine are 1"x1"x1/4"


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Re: Wavy cap, monotub help/thoughts [Re: OldManRiver]
    #26923554 - 09/07/20 06:32 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Once they / if they eat up the top casing of alders. Ill make sure the room sucks in that cool nighttime air when the light is off.. and set it to turn off at 50 degrees.
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    #26923562 - 09/07/20 06:36 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Once they / if they eat up the top casing of alders. Ill make sure the room sucks in that cool nighttime air when the light is off.. and set it to turn off at 50 degrees.
Thanks



My guess is that they will eat those chips quickly. Cyans are aggressive.  Don't know if you read that thread, I've had them spread 2 feet in a month.


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Re: Wavy cap, monotub help/thoughts [Re: OldManRiver]
    #26923866 - 09/07/20 09:26 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

That thread is as good as 99.9% as far as success.. thanks. I did not have time to boil the alder at 150 like you did. Just shook water in the bag to hydrate and got the fuck out of there after adding the casing. Honestly, im surprised its not contaminated being it was my first time doing this.
Looks positive from your post ill be able to use my BRF PF cakes i made as a last ditch effort. Id love to get them outside asap, but i may of misses that boat. Looks like it was cold when you did it tho.. so.. may work out. Im also PNW. So. Thanks alot man, between yours/99.9, i have plenty of info to be succeasful, eventually.
I have alder now, and 9 jars 1/2 colonized. I will get it dammit.


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Re: Wavy cap, monotub help/thoughts [Re: blackberry]
    #26923876 - 09/07/20 09:32 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks, both of you.


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    #26923888 - 09/07/20 09:37 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, you're late for this year to be expanding a bed, I'm afraid. Cyans aren't like cubes, you have to wait for the season. Normal fruiting in the portland area is first week of October. I started the bed in march, now three years ago. Good crop first year, incredible crop the second. Wondering what this year will be like.  I have about three cubic yards of sawmill alder chips on them at this point.  Two beds of cyans, and one of azures. 

When the weather turns cooler, just put that outside somewhere shady, and see what happens.


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Re: Wavy cap, monotub help/thoughts [Re: OldManRiver]
    #26924426 - 09/08/20 10:06 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Its settled then, all the cyan pf cakes will go in an outdoor alder bed, setup like yours. Ill give them one more week in the jars and out they go, ready or not.
I will set my intake and exhaust to stop running at 50° in my room and cross my fingers on these tubs. Will layer on more alder every couple weeks until the temp drops.
Will order golden teachers, seem to be the most popular, for indoor future grows and start up more cyan grains in december to prepare for march outdoor beds.
Thanks for all your help guys.. after months of reaearching, i gave up trying to find relevent threads, i never would have seen yours had you not reached out.
If successful on these tubs, ill update the thread.


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    #26924429 - 09/08/20 10:07 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

(Or agar) thx 99


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    #26925079 - 09/08/20 06:04 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Its settled then, all the cyan pf cakes will go in an outdoor alder bed, setup like yours. Ill give them one more week in the jars and out they go, ready or not.
I will set my intake and exhaust to stop running at 50° in my room and cross my fingers on these tubs. Will layer on more alder every couple weeks until the temp drops.
Will order golden teachers, seem to be the most popular, for indoor future grows and start up more cyan grains in december to prepare for march outdoor beds.
Thanks for all your help guys.. after months of reaearching, i gave up trying to find relevent threads, i never would have seen yours had you not reached out.
If successful on these tubs, ill update the thread.



Once you have them going outside, no need for further inside work (grain, PFTek, etc).  Just spread colonized chips from the first bed.  A couple of cups is enough.  You will be pleasantly surprised by how fast they spread.


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Re: Wavy cap, monotub help/thoughts [Re: OldManRiver]
    #26928438 - 09/10/20 02:37 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Im kinda thinking that because I have a room in the garage that sucks in and exhausts air, with a temperature controller, once we see colder days i can for sure get that temp down to 50's when the light is off.
Think I may be able to be successful with these, if they dont get contaminated between now and when the weather lifts.
Pretty sure here in washington, all i need to do is wait a few weeks and were going to get some cold fronts.

You are absolutely right. The second I actually added the alder, even as a casing layer. They are devouring it extremely quickly. Suprisingly so. Ive never wanted the summer to end so quickly in this state.
So many options, but ill probably be mixing coco and alder in 2 more tubs, break up pftek cakes and do some more inside here in the coming months.
I have more vials of cyans in the fridge.. ill work on that outdoor bed next year. I think its about time to start a journal.


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    #26929069 - 09/10/20 09:34 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Im kinda thinking that because I have a room in the garage that sucks in and exhausts air, with a temperature controller, once we see colder days i can for sure get that temp down to 50's when the light is off.
Think I may be able to be successful with these, if they dont get contaminated between now and when the weather lifts.
Pretty sure here in washington, all i need to do is wait a few weeks and were going to get some cold fronts.

You are absolutely right. The second I actually added the alder, even as a casing layer. They are devouring it extremely quickly. Suprisingly so. Ive never wanted the summer to end so quickly in this state.
So many options, but ill probably be mixing coco and alder in 2 more tubs, break up pftek cakes and do some more inside here in the coming months.
I have more vials of cyans in the fridge.. ill work on that outdoor bed next year. I think its about time to start a journal.




I wouldn't waste time with the coir. These aren't cubes, and coir is a cube thang. Coir's purpose is to store water for cubes. It is non-nutritional. Just get more chips, as green as possible. DM me if you'd like the number of my chip source.  They are up in Napavine, WA.  $75 will get you a truck load, and their chips are perfect. Cyans grow actively throughout the winter, except in the coldest spells.  There is no downside to starting soon.

We'll see fruiting within a few weeks.  It's supposed to get cool and rain next week. My bed started popping by 9/20 last year.


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    #26929195 - 09/10/20 11:30 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Well, i saw a huge green spot after moving them to a colder area amd turning on an led light. Basically highlighted it. Dumped aome hydogen peroxide on the spot. But ultimately decided to take it outside, bury it in my flower bed, throw some alder chips on, and then some red multch to make it match. Threw the green spot in a different bed thats more in the sun.. sucks, but whats done is done.
These were my first bins, i expected a 100% loss. Hopefully the 4 inch by 10 inch blocks buried will do well. I put in a sprinkler system years ago they will be well taken care of in that spot.
Either got mold because the chips were too wet, or got mold because i didnt pasturize my chips first. Either way, 2 lessons to learn from.

The other bin will probably show signs of contanimation, if not, it will be hit with cold fronts within the next couple of weeks. I split the bag of chips between two bins, i dont have much hope for it

But i still have my pfteks, i will pasturize alder chips and throe them in a tub when they are ready.

Thanks for the coir tips, i use coir for other things so it came to mind quickly. If my wife didnt love the red multch, id throw alder everywhere on my property. I should talk to her about a more "natural" landscape. And run mycelium around my entire houses sprinkler system flower beds.

Im going to be burying it under the first inch in the meantime.


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    #26943325 - 09/18/20 11:20 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I read plants like 6500, im so used to fIowering under a mix of red and blue its fucking with me. Just changed from red to blue led. From "flower" to 'veg" mode


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    #26943891 - 09/19/20 11:03 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)



Under the bark, bright white goodness


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    #26943900 - 09/19/20 11:10 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)



And the mobotub mycelium looks wonderful too. Finally hitting 50° nights. Fingers crossed.


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    #26944237 - 09/19/20 01:56 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah the cooler temperatures Definitely helping all my tubs out



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    #26951949 - 09/23/20 10:05 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)




Well guys, this is two out of two monotubs that failed due to contamination towards the end.
I guess the biggest takeaway for me, i wont be attempting woodlovers indoors again.
And second takeaway as a positive note, any other bensis strain would have had time for multiple flushes by now. Learned alot, got outdoor beds going for next year. Ill freeze my vials and just throw them on the back burner until the time is right.

But i learned A TON on this journey and i still think my outdoor bed has a shot at fruiting in october. Fingers crossed. Thanks for EVERYONES help.
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Re: Wavy cap, monotub help/thoughts [Re: blackberry]
    #26953228 - 09/24/20 06:29 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Ordered a vial of golden teachers.. this wavy cap experiment was awesome. I have fallen in love with the sweet white mat of mycelium. Anyways, this thread was about those monotubs. They failed. Thanks for your help on this thread and teaching me proper techniques.

Two things i noticed when breaking up the monotub outside in a hole with alder chips.
The brick was pretty dry, but i think the surface face of mycelium was too wet, which caused the fungus to contaminate. It was solid, but the grain spawn from northspore was COMPLETELTY white. Then where i put the boomr manuer bags, it was barely touched, solid and grown through, but you guys were right, manure is NOT for wood lovers. And the layer of alder chips was also completely solid, which was on top. Very odd to see that, but noted. Hope that helps someone when it comes to wavy cap substrate.


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    #26953390 - 09/24/20 07:36 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

If it helps, here is my own indoor project that's just started fruiting. :grin: maybe some of what I learned could help you if you decide to try again.
I used different cuts of oak as the main wood source. Chips, bark, leaves, shavings.. it's been a long experiment but its finally paying off. My tub was also pretty basic.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26535887


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Re: Wavy cap, monotub help/thoughts [Re: Zenn]
    #26953545 - 09/24/20 09:59 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I really thought I would have been able to lower my temperature enough to finish them in early fall.
I'll start new cyan spawn in february :smile: just around the corner. Really excited to try cubes next.
I DO think my outdoor patches will do something, there is so much mycelium there I should get enough for myself from it. But they will do what they want, Ive learned I cant control these fruits, such as my other hobbies.


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    #26953550 - 09/24/20 10:06 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

im not a wavy cap expert but that looks like bruising to me. looks pretty dry


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    #26953551 - 09/24/20 10:07 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Cyans will tare through a lot of contams


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    #26953597 - 09/24/20 10:35 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, if it was bruising then maybe I overreacted.., but I loaded 3/4 of it in an existing bed.. and started a new halfass bed in another spot.

That really sucks if they would have worked out for sure. But regardless, theyre outdoors where they belong. Looking forward to a fresh start of trying bansis for the first time.

The bricks were fucking huge tho. Hope they take outside.


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    #26953675 - 09/24/20 11:33 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Fuck.. now you have me thinking "what if" on that tub.

Next time I'll ride it out, but 2 days ago i fucked with the polyfill, pulling chunks back through the holes (too much inside).. and removing clumps of alder that was piled higher and not taking as quick.
I figured my hands and breath being in there and just having the cover off for an extended few minutes fucked me over.
I hadn't heard about bruising until digging through posts today. Sigh. Next time I see blue/grey/ashy colors I will think twice. But I dont mind mixing everythinf outside, they are native. And may do well.


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Re: Wavy cap, monotub help/thoughts [Re: blackberry]
    #26953678 - 09/24/20 11:40 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

You tub does look like bruising not contamination😭
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    #26960861 - 09/29/20 06:58 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Does anyone know if mycelium should be exposed outside? I scraped the top off to similate the "quit feeding and start flowering" stage in a couple places.
Been a week and doesnt look contaminated, is it beneficial? I also didnt want mushrooms to hit the multch and not grow.

Mycelium looks healthy and beautiful tho. A 12"×3.5' spread around my plant. God i hope it fruits.



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    #26960862 - 09/29/20 06:59 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

That plant had an amazing rhizoshpere.. TON of mychorrhizae before adding monotub bricks


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