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Rango
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Different experience on magic mushrooms then most. Have a question
#26918866 - 09/05/20 08:57 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hi guys. So I've grown and tried different strains of cubensis and experienced with different dosages 2-5g, 5g being max. I tried it now maybe 5 times. 5 different strains. Tried different strains from 2 different sources. Once i got giant mushrooms i've posted here in forum so it's not the cultivation, i don't think. I've tried tea. I've tried smoothie from dried up shorooms.
Every single time i NEVER any no visuals or what most call trips on magic mushrooms. At most when i close my eyes i see geometric shapes but not when eyes are open. Color are enhanced every single time. My brain every single time experiences pleasure like having sex but in brain. I assume that is physocibin binding to serotonin receptors producing this effect. I can bearly get out of bed too.
My point is shorooms to me feel more like extacy then magic trippy experience most if not all your experience. I remember about 10-15 yrs ago i did mushooroms and i experienced the mild trip and lots of uncontrollable laughter. It was completely different then current experience. It's feels like it's not even the same ingredient.
My question is has my brain changed so much that i can no longer experience what psylocibin is? I mean it did 5g. I'm not really afraid of 6g. I feel like i could do 6-8g and it would NOT trip. I think it would just enhance my experience. Max i've tried is 5g. I'm ~ 195 lbs.
Am i one of those freaks that just processes cubensis as seratonin and i will never be able to experience a trip? I mean 5g is by forum standards a lot and i'm not sure that's dose related but maybe my body strips chemicals differently then your bodies. I dunno. Maybe i should increase dosage? I'm thinking of giving a try of Azurescens since they're 10x more potent. Maybe that will do the trick? But wouldn't just increasing the dosage on cubensis do the same thing? It feels to me like my body is processing the cubensis differently then most of you. Not sure how that is possible. It's just how i feel about it vs what i'm reading you guys describe.
Thoughts on what's going on with this? I would greatly appreciate any feedback.
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the strander
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Re: Different experience on magic mushrooms then most. Have a question [Re: Rango]
#26919036 - 09/05/20 10:38 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I haven't experimented with various known varieties or strains the way that you have. But I did mushrooms 15 years or so ago, twice, and both times were different experiences than I've had now on various dosages.
My earlier trips when I was in my 20s I had more visuals and also the uncontrollable laughter you mentioned.
So far I've tried doses from micro up to 6 g dried. The 6 g I did get open eye visuals but not the same as what I remember when I was younger. Smaller doses I have awesome thoughts, get introspective, and my vision changes a bit.
I think it's totally possible that tripping when your brain is less mature would be a very different experience than tripping when it was more mature. Your brain will have had more time to develop experiences and make assumptions about how the world is, and that system is what psilocybin shuts down at high doses. I think it's possible that a more mature brain in terms of pure age takes a higher dose to change in the same way.
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Re: Different experience on magic mushrooms then most. Have a question [Re: the strander]
#26919080 - 09/05/20 11:09 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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You have a good point. It could be age related but then again i am sure there is plenty of ppl my age that are tripping on 3.5g. At times to me it feels like my brain is fighting it but that's not my intention and something i can not control during this experience.
I'm thinking of doing 7-8g next time. It seems like i can't break threw for some strange reason. I would even appreciate good laugh while watching some comedy. It feels like my body process shrooms as seratonin ONLY hence brain pleasure. It feels like extacy and nothing like shrooms you guys describe which is why i'm asking. I can't be only person that has experience like that. That would be huge anomality. I honestly dislike the fact that i'm not joining trips like you guys are.
I've also noticed that to prevent anxiety associated with dosage it's best to pulvarize shrooms in blender and drink it as liquid vs tea extraction. I've tried tea tech, lemon tech. Everything to see if it will change the experience. Every single time it's always brain sex and nothing extraordinary.
Staments said that he did some 20g dose in forest so maybe some ppl just need monster dose. THe only thing i'm afraid of with monster dose is to fry my brain. It feels like my brain is firing 100x faster when on it. I'm not afraid of bad trip at all. That's almost not possible it seems for me. I just don't want to fry receptors with some heroic dose and get dementia when i'm old.
Edited by Rango (09/05/20 11:12 AM)
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Re: Different experience on magic mushrooms then most. Have a question [Re: Rango]
#26919088 - 09/05/20 11:19 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Slowly increasing your dose until you get where you want sounds like a good plan.
I wonder whether having expectations about a trip, or knowledge about what could happen, affects the experience at all. Most of the studies they've been doing recently specifically target people who have NEVER used psychedelics. They then often have experiences they describe as life changing, with talk therapy and preparation before and after of course.
I had pretty awesome experiences when I was younger and really didn't have any expectations. I think trying to go into it with an open mind to whatever happens, intense or mild, could actually help you have a more meaningful experience even if you don't get visuals etc specifically.
I like the idea that the brain is a muscle that you can train like any other, but I can't decide whether tripping often has an impact on intensity or quality of future trips 🤔 I'm going to keep trying and find out!
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Re: Different experience on magic mushrooms then most. Have a question [Re: the strander]
#26919724 - 09/05/20 05:08 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I just read some posts here regarding high doses. I think i'm going to do 10g dry next time. Debating in my head between 8 or 10. Based on Mckenna formula my dose by weight and dried psilocibin is 8g but since i'm having problems thinking of bumping it up.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/1269777#1269777
Maybe i just have extremely high tolerance. I mean i saw geometric figures when i closed eyes so it's doing something but i'm fully aware of my surroundings and they're normal to me, not trippy at all besdies enhanced colors.
Edited by Rango (09/05/20 05:10 PM)
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Re: Different experience on magic mushrooms then most. Have a question [Re: Rango]
#26933093 - 09/13/20 09:51 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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From what I have read and heard people can vary greatly on natural tolerance where some people may need double the amount to get the same result or even more then double. Also there are people out there that can't trip their brains just don't interact with psychedelics.
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Re: Different experience on magic mushrooms then most. Have a question [Re: Rango]
#26933207 - 09/13/20 11:04 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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we have too little information
i.e. anything like SSRI's being taken as per doctor's recommendation - will decrease visuals i.e. use of cannabis (sometimes depresses visuals if used chronically but increases visuals if used moderately or occasionally) i.e. complicated visual field at home and bright lighting - this may kick your vision into a different reflex modality that will block artifactual visuals or hallucination.
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Re: Different experience on magic mushrooms then most. Have a question [Re: Rango]
#26945339 - 09/20/20 01:28 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Rango said: Every single time i NEVER any no visuals or what most call trips on magic mushrooms. At most when i close my eyes i see geometric shapes but not when eyes are open. Color are enhanced every single time.
That was my expectation too going into the magic mushrooms. But the world looks the same for me without hallucinations. Last time there were more cool effects, but I assume that was because my brain was overloaded by big dose and so couldn't keep up with image processing. I tend to have more spiritual trips, but yes not everyone experiences vivid open-eye visuals. I've only had CEV's once. As far as colors I did have HPPD after 2nd trip.
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Rango said: My brain every single time experiences pleasure like having sex but in brain. I assume that is physocibin binding to serotonin receptors producing this effect. I can bearly get out of bed too.
My point is shorooms to me feel more like extacy then magic trippy experience most if not all your experience. I remember about 10-15 yrs ago i did mushooroms and i experienced the mild trip and lots of uncontrollable laughter. It was completely different then current experience. It's feels like it's not even the same ingredient.
I can't comment on this since I don't do hard drugs, but I've experienced body euphoria 3 times. I feel good, nerves are on fire (in a good way). Very eased and relaxed state of being. On 3g's of cube's while I had tolerance from last trip, I just experienced a full serotonin load in a brain. A very loving and calming trip, but no visuals at all.
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Rango said: My question is has my brain changed so much that i can no longer experience what psylocibin is? I mean it did 5g. I'm not really afraid of 6g. I feel like i could do 6-8g and it would NOT trip. I think it would just enhance my experience. Max i've tried is 5g. I'm ~ 195 lbs.
Does your mind go into an altered state of being? If so, you're tripping. Try working with different varieties. I heard Mexican strain was good for visuals. McKennaii was also very visual for me.
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Rango said: Am i one of those freaks that just processes cubensis as seratonin and i will never be able to experience a trip? I mean 5g is by forum standards a lot and i'm not sure that's dose related but maybe my body strips chemicals differently then your bodies. I dunno. Maybe i should increase dosage? I'm thinking of giving a try of Azurescens since they're 10x more potent. Maybe that will do the trick? But wouldn't just increasing the dosage on cubensis do the same thing? It feels to me like my body is processing the cubensis differently then most of you. Not sure how that is possible. It's just how i feel about it vs what i'm reading you guys describe.
Thoughts on what's going on with this? I would greatly appreciate any feedback.
I would be careful with going into the very potent strains. If you did 5g dried, go for 2.5g of potent strain and see what it feels like. I recently had bad experience with PE6. Yes I saw more stuff, but it was coming at 5x the rate. I prefer the slower onset and more balanced load shrooms. If possible, you could get big quantity of fresh shrooms and experiment.
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Re: Different experience on magic mushrooms then most. Have a question [Re: nomorefear]
#26953822 - 09/25/20 03:35 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I may be like you so I'll give you my experience from 100-200 trips over the course of probably 15+ years. I've only ever gotten "light" visuals a couple times in all my experiences and it kind of sucks.
My first ever trip was with 2 grams and I never got visuals but I felt like I tripped very hard, even though in hindsight after all these years, it wasn't that deep of a trip.
This led me to grow my own and begin experimenting with 2-3 grams. One of the first times I tripped off of mushrooms I grew myself was one of the few times I saw moving, geometric, 3d patterns. I have been chasing this type of experience ever since. I've tried growing 10+ varieties of cubensis and couldn't ever get back to that experience. I will say that APE and/or PE did give me a stronger and slightly more visual trip, but nothing like most people report, and not like the previous experience I had.
I should also note that I like to dose fresh mushrooms when I can, because I feel like I have had a slightly higher chance of a more visual trip with fresh and also a "cleaner" trip.
I only did a handful of 3g trips before I realized I wanted to try more. I then began 5g doses and finally started feeling like I was tripping and going deep. I stayed at 5g doses for a few more handfuls of experiences. Then I decided to go full out at 7g and I loved it. It was deep and when I would try less, it just didn't feel the same anymore. I stayed on 7g-8g doses for probably most of my 100+ trips for years.
Then I quit using shrooms for a span of about 5 years and tried some PE again at 7g and was a little disappointed. I had a great time, but it wasn't as deep as I felt before. Still no real visuals.
I then went with 10 grams, which I had only done once or twice before. It felt like where I was at years ago with the 7g doses. I did that a few handful of times before upping it yet again. Still no visuals
Now I'm at 12g-15g doses every time I have tripped and have done this for maybe 15-20 times. All PE this last year. I know some people will be freaked out about this because I know most people don't ever go over even 5g. I have friends that have freaked out on 3g. I knew when I was doing 7g regular doses that something with me was different than the average person, as far as how my body processes it.
It's gotten to the point where I can handle the 15g trips just fine after the come-up. But the come-up with increased doses has gotten very intense. From feeling major nausea and stomach discomfort, cold/hot sweats, needles in my arms, non stop yawning and tears, and hardness of breath (which is the only thing that really concerns me). But the uncomfortableness cannot be stressed enough. That's what gives me the anxiety. I have to curl up under a blanket and meditate to get through this stage. And then, depending on how good the mushrooms are, this fades away into bliss anywhere from 30-60 mins. Usually closer to 60 mins. Good mushrooms will also make the come-up more "clean" and easy IME. This uncomfortableness is the only real thing that has kept me from experimenting with higher doses. I still get little to no visuals besides more vivid colors. :\\\
I've yet to get my hands on other psilocybin species to try though unfortunately.
By the way, I weight about 145lbs. 90-95% of my trips have been with a hot water tea extraction. I would recommend trying a higher dose if you feel comfortable with it. I've heard of a couple others around here who are like me. I think some people are just different, but it does seem to be somewhat rare.
If you ever find out any secrets, please let us know!
Edited by Messiah of Savants (09/25/20 03:43 AM)
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