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1:5 spawn to substrate worked very well. Good yields for first time grower.
    #26918467 - 09/05/20 12:18 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Just wish to report to the forum as a new grower who has seen a lot of anxiety in other posters with regard to high substrate to spawn ratios (people are recommending at max 1:4) that so far, my 1:5 spawn to substrate is going quite nicely. I have numerous large tubs and all seem to be growing vigorously through the top layer of substrate (I layered 3 layers of bulk, spawn, bulk spawn, bulk, spawn, bulk. I went through all the tubs today about a week after spawn to bulk just to make sure the substrate surface was level and everything was still moist (monotubs) and every tub looked like this:



Smells earthy and delicious like wild mushrooms. Now I wish to solicit some advice from the pros here, how long off fruiting does this tub look? My estimate (probably wrong) is 3-4 more days before casing. My plan is to case it in peat/verm/coir/gypsum/limestone, wait a day, uncover the airholes and expose to tons of 6500 K light with a fan running in the room.

Suggestions?

Thanks shroomery for getting me so far. Hope to give back to the community


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Re: 1:5 spawn to substrate working well. [Re: mescalinechemist]
    #26918478 - 09/05/20 12:29 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Way not enough. You case at full colonization,
that will be more than 3-4 more days.

What species you want to grow?


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Re: 1:5 spawn to substrate working well. [Re: Goatrider]
    #26918482 - 09/05/20 12:31 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

this is mazatapec cubensis. if I scratch below that top layer there is far more mycelium, the final layer of spawn was covered by an inch of bulk substrate.


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Re: 1:5 spawn to substrate working well. [Re: mescalinechemist] * 1
    #26918486 - 09/05/20 12:37 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Don`t disturb your myc with scratching :nono:

You can case if you want, but i really wouldn`t.
Cubes don`t need that.
You already have a top layer, just let them do.
Give some decent airflow and let it fruit, as it wants to.
Be careful with the fan, don`t point directly on the tub,
and just from far away.
A monotub doesn`t need to be fanned, it gets passive fae already,
but a well placed fan is never a bad idea, as long as you can keep
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Re: 1:5 spawn to substrate working well. [Re: Goatrider]
    #26918490 - 09/05/20 12:42 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I have a small experimental tub (as a first time grower) that I take more liberties on (for experience) It had the same appearance and I examined the soil beneath, remarkable growth . All my other tubs are unmolested and unscratched :wink: .

Have you ever cased? I have read a lot that cubes may benefit or may not benefit from a casing, would be curious about your opinion as an experienced grower.


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Re: 1:5 spawn to substrate working well. [Re: mescalinechemist]
    #26918491 - 09/05/20 12:44 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

My idea for fruiting is simply to open the airholes, put micropore tape over them, flood the tubs with 6500 K light on a 12 on 12 off cycle, turn off all room heating (will drop room temp by 5 degrees), turn on the room fan and then just wait. Is this sufficient?


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Re: 1:5 spawn to substrate working well. [Re: mescalinechemist] * 1
    #26918498 - 09/05/20 12:56 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I`d only do the effort of a casing for PE, pans or other exotic species.
As long as you don`t want a nutritive casing,
grains are the food source for cube myc, so personally
i don`t see a benefit for cubes.

You don`t want stall air for colonization,
so i`d give some air flow from the start.
You may apply micropore tape now.
For your surface look here.

A little fanning as you have fruits doesn`t hurt, but as i said not directly on the tub,
and control the moisture content. You never want it getting dry just a single time.


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Re: 1:5 spawn to substrate working well. [Re: Goatrider]
    #26918501 - 09/05/20 12:58 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Wonderful, thank you very much. Advice is always appreciated especially at such a critical time in the grow cycle. Have a great day my friend!


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Re: 1:5 spawn to substrate working well. [Re: mescalinechemist]
    #26918519 - 09/05/20 01:20 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: 1:5 spawn to substrate working well. [Re: Goatrider]
    #26918707 - 09/05/20 06:27 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Maz is really the only cube besides PE I’ve cased before. Specifically because mine have always grown super thin rhizo sticking up all over the surface. That type of growth is sensitive and my room is very dry so covering it up with casing helped.

Definitely not necessary though. Maz pins very quickly and easily so I’d guess you’ll see pins by a week from now.


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Re: 1:5 spawn to substrate working well. [Re: A.k.a]
    #26918723 - 09/05/20 06:49 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Fantastic! I might experiment with a casing, I have numerous tubs. I was thinking 1 part peat moss, 1 part vermiculite, 1 part hydrated coco coir, balanced with hydrated lime and limestone plus 10% gypsum.
I tried to make 50/50+ casing as a trial a few days ago but found it had a heavy clumpy texture. What sort of texture should a casing have? In my rookie mind I imagine something slightly more airy, hence my wish to include a bit of coco coir to the mix. Any suggestions are appreciated.


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Re: 1:5 spawn to substrate working well. [Re: mescalinechemist]
    #26918811 - 09/05/20 08:06 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Don’t add coir it’ll just counteract the peat in a way.

I like to use this with a little more verm mixed in


The texture completely depends on how fine the peat is. I like to remove or break up the clumps and sticks.


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Re: 1:5 spawn to substrate working well. [Re: A.k.a]
    #26918975 - 09/05/20 10:08 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Glad to see this. Next round experimenting with higher ratios. Going to 1:5 as well. Our 1:4 vs 1:2/1:3 colonized much faster and had zero contam issues.

It sounds counter-intuitive, but my understanding is you want the nute source to start depleting quickly after spawning to bulk in order to induce fruiting. This is a signal to procreate (fruit) as they think they are "dying" or loosing food source.

Too many grains will take longer and have more chances of contam issues. The benefit i guess would be more flushes with more grains?

We are also starting to case our tubs as well. This has fallen out of favor these days and, although considered unnecessary, I feel it is beneficial to keep surface conditions primed for pinning. Because casing is only a small extra step, the potential benefits to me are worth it.

I am still learning, so please correct me if i am wrong. Thanks.


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Re: 1:5 spawn to substrate working well. [Re: A.k.a]
    #26920122 - 09/05/20 08:28 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Good to know, thank you!


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Re: 1:5 spawn to substrate working well. [Re: maxmush]
    #26920126 - 09/05/20 08:31 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I would be interested in your further experimenting at higher bulk to spawn ratios.

For your interest, here is the same tub from the initial post, the next day about 20 hours later:



How's it looking?


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Re: 1:5 spawn to substrate working well. [Re: mescalinechemist]
    #26920303 - 09/05/20 11:20 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

20 hours later and its looking great :smile: when i spawn to bulk with 1:2/1:3 it takes a full 2 weeks to colonize 100%. It looks like your about 75-80% already. Definitely faster. Total overall yield and how many flushes before contam or stalling out is what i am very interested in.

We will continue to manipulate the ratios and see what the limit would be until you get diminishing returns. I suspect 1:6 would be the optimal ratio.


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Re: 1:5 spawn to substrate working well. [Re: maxmush]
    #26920306 - 09/05/20 11:25 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I'll keep you guys fully updated. I have 11 tubs and all of them are about the same stage. This is 1 week in. I used 15L of composted manure/verm/coir/gypsum to 3 L of wheat (and some popcorn) spawn. This is my first grow, decided to go all out! It was spawned in layers and mixed a bit with about an inch of bulk on top



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Re: 1:5 spawn to substrate working well. [Re: maxmush]
    #26921934 - 09/06/20 08:23 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

A further 20 hours later:



A close up:





Any of you know what phase this is. What are those fluffy mycelial structures?


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Re: 1:5 spawn to substrate working well. [Re: mescalinechemist]
    #26922039 - 09/06/20 09:20 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Is it more of a question nutrients for flushes or colonization speed when thinking about spwan ratio?


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Re: 1:5 spawn to substrate working well. [Re: polyflakes] * 1
    #26922413 - 09/07/20 04:47 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

That’s the super fluffy rhizo I was talking about before. Typical for maz.


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Re: 1:5 spawn to substrate working well. [Re: A.k.a]
    #26922422 - 09/07/20 04:56 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

You're a hero, I was fretting a bit over that. I've cased it with a nice fluffy field capacity casing and put everything into fruiting conditions (all airholes now with micropore tape, temperature down, bright light during the day, fan on in room) will keep this group updated.



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Re: 1:5 spawn to substrate working well. [Re: polyflakes]
    #26922717 - 09/07/20 09:34 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Is it more of a question nutrients for flushes or colonization speed when thinking about spwan ratio?




My thoughts precisely.


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Re: 1:5 spawn to substrate working well. [Re: maxmush] * 1
    #26923324 - 09/07/20 04:05 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I'll be watching this one closely as well.  I have six 3 lb grain spawn bags colonizing now, and I plan to fruit in my recent Martha Tent Build (any advice you have on improving that would be welcome over there).

As far as the 1:5 ratio goes, I want to make sure I have the numbers right.  This would basically mean 15 lbs of substrate for each 3 lb spawn bag, correct?  So, if I were buying my own substrate, say like the boomr bags from North Spore, I would want to use 3 of those 5 lb bags per 3 lb spawn bag to get the 1:5 ratio, right?

Looking at this as an ideal seems to jive with Stamets, because in Growing Gourmet and Medicinal Mushrooms, he indicates 10-20% might be a sweet spot (1:5 being 20% spawn), with higher levels of spawn perhaps creating too much thermogenesis when consuming the substrate.  According to his numbers, you could go to 1:10 grain to spawn, and still colonize at a decent rate.

To polyflakes point here:

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Is it more of a question nutrients for flushes or colonization speed when thinking about spwan ratio?




One might also imagine more substrate means more moisture in the cake, assuming the field capacity of your substrate is right.  I would think more substrate == more nutrients and more moisture for increased yield.  Faster colonization == less likelihood of contamination, however too fast colonization might actually work against you by creating too much heat, and more than likely increased CO2.

I'm essentially a noob at all this, though, so if I'm totally talking out of my ass, please let me know.

My problem with going to something more like a 1:10 ratio is that I don't make my own substrate at this point, and buying substrate in boomr bags will get super expensive at that rate.

Anyway, looking forward to seeing the results, mescalinechemist!


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Re: 1:5 spawn to substrate working well. [Re: madyogi]
    #26923598 - 09/07/20 06:54 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Will keep you updated. Casing the rest of the tubs today with 50/50+, room temps have been dropped to 65 F down from 80 F during colonization. Fan on, airholes opened, bright 6500 k light


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Re: 1:5 spawn to substrate working well. [Re: madyogi]
    #26923602 - 09/07/20 06:56 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Will be patching these with fresh casing as they break through


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Re: 1:5 spawn to substrate working well. [Re: mescalinechemist]
    #26923624 - 09/07/20 07:07 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Idk why you're casing.


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Re: 1:5 spawn to substrate working well. [Re: Failboat]
    #26923648 - 09/07/20 07:22 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

As long as it won't hurt. I wanna get into pan cyans later, might as well practice /  learn the technique.


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Re: 1:5 spawn to substrate working well. [Re: maxmush]
    #26923657 - 09/07/20 07:26 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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It sounds counter-intuitive, but my understanding is you want the nute source to start depleting quickly after spawning to bulk in order to induce fruiting. This is a signal to procreate (fruit) as they think they are "dying" or loosing food source.





What I have read, and observed, is that the myc grows to the edge of the substrate, where it encounters more oxygen and less water.  Having reached the edge of its growing space, it fruits, to be able to spread beyond.  I don't believe your hypothesis about running out of grain, because if that were true, why would we get second and third and fourth flushes? Why would the second flush often be bigger than the first?  I have seen this in two varieties of cubes, and cyans.  The edge hypothesis explains why FAE is important.  More oxygen triggers the fruiting.  The myc gives off C02, and as long as the oxygen content is low, the myc gets the signal to keep growing.  My two cents, definitely not an expert


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Re: 1:5 spawn to substrate working well. [Re: OldManRiver]
    #26923682 - 09/07/20 07:39 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I think running out of room is the main trigger.

If you leave spawn jars long enough they’ll fruit with almost no air and literally nothing but nutrients.


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Re: 1:5 spawn to substrate working well. [Re: A.k.a]
    #26923710 - 09/07/20 07:53 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Running out of space is an interesting theory as well. It doesnt explain why they would fruit out open in the wild with almost unlimited space however.

Growing in a tub and the outer edges getting more oxygen and getting less water also doesnt explain why it would fruit in the middle or at all if the surface conditions are moist and optimal (ie. water)?

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Re: 1:5 spawn to substrate working well. [Re: maxmush]
    #26923787 - 09/07/20 08:43 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

It's a very interesting topic, as all of mycology is!


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Re: 1:5 spawn to substrate working well. [Re: mescalinechemist]
    #26923831 - 09/07/20 09:05 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I mean a lot are on piles of shit in the wild which prob get colonzied quick.

I’m sure it has to do with nutrient density and sub composition when they grow in the ground.


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Re: 1:5 spawn to substrate working well. [Re: madyogi]
    #26923893 - 09/07/20 09:42 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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As far as the 1:5 ratio goes, I want to make sure I have the numbers right.  This would basically mean 15 lbs of substrate for each 3 lb spawn bag, correct?




Nope, you always calculate ratios in volume, not in weight.


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    #26924406 - 09/08/20 09:54 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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As far as the 1:5 ratio goes, I want to make sure I have the numbers right.  This would basically mean 15 lbs of substrate for each 3 lb spawn bag, correct?




Nope, you always calculate ratios in volume, not in weight.




Okay, this is good to know.  Thanks!


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    #26924418 - 09/08/20 10:02 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Idk why you're casing.




Is the debate over casing cubes just a matter of wasted time?  Like, it's basically unnecessary, so why bother?  Or are there dangers to casing that make it risky?

I was planning to case everything (I'm colonizing Pink Oysters, Lion's Mane, Black Morels, B+, and Puerto Ricans right now).  I know this thread isn't really about casing, but I'm curious.  I've read about the benefits of casing, like moisture retention, microclimate at the mycelial surface, added base support for fruiting, etc.

I realize some species require casing and others don't, but if it's optional and you don't mind the extra time/expense, why not do it?


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Re: 1:5 spawn to substrate working well. [Re: madyogi]
    #26925280 - 09/08/20 08:19 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I'm very interested in hearing about this casing vs no casing argument. I finished casing the rest of my tubs in 50/50+


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Re: 1:5 spawn to substrate working well. [Re: mescalinechemist]
    #26925361 - 09/08/20 09:36 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

If you don’t balance the ph right or don’t pasteurize it then it could could hurt the grow but for the most part it’s just a waste of time and peat. Once you learn how to manage your tubs conditions a casing won’t up your yield any.


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    #26925436 - 09/08/20 10:30 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Also a question of belief i think.
Most who tried casing didn`t catch the right time for it, or didn`t prepare it properly.
My understanding is, you apply it right to the beginning of primordial stage.
I know some great cultivators always do this with good results.
May lead to a better pinset, to great anti-trich surface conditions and so on.
But we can never say, it does better with a casing, cause we don`t have an absolute identical side by side comparison, have we?
So in the end i don`t make the effort of casing, i look for best top layer conditions from the start.


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Re: 1:5 spawn to substrate working well. [Re: Goatrider]
    #26925498 - 09/08/20 11:26 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Thank you for that input


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Re: 1:5 spawn to substrate working well. [Re: mescalinechemist]
    #26925788 - 09/09/20 07:08 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I know some legit cultivators ran clones side by side cased and uncased with no difference.

But that’s why I said once you know how to work your tubs it doesn’t matter. If you haven’t gotten surface conditions and all that down a casing will definitely help. I cased pretty often for a while until i was confident I knew how to maintain conditions.

I mean it takes 30 seconds so if you’re not sure you might as well.


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Re: 1:5 spawn to substrate working well. [Re: A.k.a]
    #26927186 - 09/09/20 09:09 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I like your take on it, it's a bit of insurance for novices like myself. I cased with 50/50+ a few days back, the mycelium is starting to break through and I have been patching with more pasturized casing. After casing typically how long will it be before knots form? Will you see the knots with a casing on or will they be hidden and just see the pins as they erupt through? Thank you in advance!


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Re: 1:5 spawn to substrate working well. [Re: mescalinechemist]
    #26927573 - 09/10/20 04:29 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

It depends but maz is usually pretty quick. Normally you’ll be able to see the knots still but it depends how thick the casing is and how colonized it got.

I’d guess you’ll have knots anytime now. Sometimes if you can see the sub through the side of the tub you can see knots forming there easier than on the surface.


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    #26928823 - 09/10/20 06:38 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

The mycelium is chewing through the casing fast, I have to patch it daily. I wake up today and it needs another patching. They were cased and put into fruiting 4 days ago (light, 68-72 F temps) Airflow, fanning/misting. Still very fluffy mycelium. Typically it takes a bit over 7 days of fruiting conditions for knots to form, correct?

Here is what they look like today, camera struggles to capture the very fine strands, looking like heads of cauliflower munching through the casing:







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    #26929131 - 09/10/20 10:13 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Here's the set up at current:



Blue LED, 70F plus a fan running, I open the lid on each tub mist it and let the fan run over it for 10 min, once a day.


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    #26930946 - 09/11/20 10:34 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Update: I performed the final patching on my tubs today. It has been 5 days since casing, I have been giving them very ample air exchange (fanning/misting) 2x per day and bright 6500 K light plus additional blue LED coverage (RR notes suggest flooding the casing in light is beneficial). I have started to notice the fluffy mycelium is beginning to clump up, perhaps forming pins, it is difficult to get a good photo though. I hope I will have more solid evidence of this over the coming days.



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    #26932287 - 09/12/20 06:00 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Update the next day: the substrate is eating up the patched casing fast, this is a 50/50+ casing , in other trays the casing is even more consumed.



What is going on. The temps are cooler, they now get 2x misting and fanning and plenty of FAE, plenty of light.


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    #26933003 - 09/13/20 08:12 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I would stop casing it. It could just be registering the casing as more sub and so it’s never fully colonized to start fruiting.


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    #26933339 - 09/13/20 12:13 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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    #26933616 - 09/13/20 03:08 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Beauty skullhuman :smile:

did you you find less yield on subsequent flushes vs a lower ratio (ie. 1:2-1:4)?? or was it generally the same?


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    #26933661 - 09/13/20 03:44 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

The yields were as good as any I've seen- about 13oz dry all together from each mono.  I used different spawn ratios on different tubs of that culture and the results were always consistent: around 7oz first flush, then less from subsequent flushes, finishing up around 13 all together. I don't feel the spawn ratio impacted yield at all.


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    #26933774 - 09/13/20 04:46 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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I would stop casing it. It could just be registering the casing as more sub and so it’s never fully colonized to start fruiting.




I am starting to believe that, it just keeps eating the casing!

I'm just gonna leave them. Keep FAE up, keep the surface glistening with moisture beads, keep them lit. Thank you guys for the help.


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    #26933835 - 09/13/20 05:29 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

mescalinechemist good luck. im following.

skullman, thanks. Helpful :smile:


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    #26933865 - 09/13/20 05:40 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I need it! First time growing. Hopefully this week will be exciting, this is the beginning of week 3 post spawning to bulk and 1 week after casing (well, the casings got eaten up so I won't call it casing lol).


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    #26934194 - 09/13/20 09:04 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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A further 20 hours later:



A close up:





Any of you know what phase this is. What are those fluffy mycelial structures?




Kinda looks similar to one of my tubs, very curious how this turns out. I'm on my first grow as well and quite confused about this whole primordia process, especially with things like 'overlay' being thrown about.


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    #26936065 - 09/14/20 10:26 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I am now intending this to serve as my grow log, perhaps to help other new growers. They can look at the dates and get a feeling for approximate timelines. I found other such threads useful. Now today I am starting to see what is unambiguously some knotting. I will photograph them in a few days when they are clear (Camera is not good enough to catch them yet). Lets hope we get more knots over the coming days and these form pins. Will keep this updated.


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    #26938078 - 09/15/20 09:33 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Update. Out of all my tubs, the first one spawned (3 days prior to spawning the others) has started throwing out pins. This is my experimental tub, as a first time grower I spawned 1 quart into this small tub and examined/messed with it to distract me from the other tubs. I removed it from the liner to examine it and am now getting plenty of side pins and knotting. I notice that most of these side pins are coming from the edge where the casing layer meets the bulk substrate layer. I am noticing one pin erupting through the surface on the top, presumably coming from that casing layer/bulk interface even though the entire casing is fully colonized. I hope to have an update within a few days from the other tubs showing pinning!



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    #26939718 - 09/16/20 07:52 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Update:

First of the large 1:5 tubs is beginning to pin, bursting through the upper layer of mycelium. Only 2 pins though, is this normal for this early stage? I think the pins are coming from the casing/substrate interface.





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    #26940081 - 09/17/20 04:09 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Is it normal to have so few pins??


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    #26940088 - 09/17/20 04:28 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

No Idea, I wonder if anyone else has ideas. I am hoping these are just the very first pins and the rest of the pinset will come in over the coming 5 days.

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    #26941479 - 09/17/20 10:27 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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    #26945450 - 09/20/20 02:31 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Update today:



Small pins are erupting through the top layer of mycelium. Surface is kept glistening with beads of moisture and given airflow throughout the day. Hope this pinset develops more over the next 7 days. The sides are pinning a bit better than the center but if one looks closely one sees tiny baby pins poking through the mycelium


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    #26948502 - 09/21/20 08:59 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Update today:

These are some pictures from the tub we have been following:







Multispore grow so pins at each stage, some ready to harvest, some popping through at the smallest stage.

Here are some photos from other tubs of the same series:





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    #26948526 - 09/21/20 09:29 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Is it more of a question nutrients for flushes or colonization speed when thinking about spwan ratio?




Mostly colonization speed. Sub really isnt nutritious in the same way as grain, and acts more as a medium in which the colony can expand getting maximum surface area for fruiting. The balance is what is desirable. Grain and spawn are intrinsically more valuable than sub. They are a investment, in a way, by the time you spawn them. Having a strong, clean, fast running culture allows you to invest less spawn per sub, if that's a concern. If it's not an issue, then 1:1 1:2 will give pretty quick consolidation times.


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    #26948529 - 09/21/20 09:31 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Looking good OP! That's a chonky mf there!


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    #26948532 - 09/21/20 09:35 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Cheers! I will keep this thread updated until the tubs stop producing. Do you think more pins are still being produced under the surface? Also, once I've harvested these, should I just heavily mist in order to trigger 2nd,3rd flushes?


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    #26948552 - 09/21/20 09:55 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

You have to judge that when the time comes. Mak that call after you see what the sub is looking like. If its thirsty, it might need a drink. I'm thinking that might help, also your tub conditions may be a bit wonky as well. The flush is focused on the high liner edges, and the center is sparse. The die is cast for this flush though,so just let it shoot its load, and assess the situation afterwards.


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    #26948630 - 09/21/20 11:13 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks for that, i'll probably give them a good drink. Fruiting has been by far the most complicated part of this process. A good learning experience!


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    #26950429 - 09/23/20 03:10 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I wanna post another update, lets just say wow, oh wow. Yields are GOOOOOD especially considering this is my first grow. The pinning was uneven but just meant some were ready before the others. I am yet to dry them, lets just say my two dehydrators are by far not enough.


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    #26950452 - 09/23/20 03:59 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)







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    #26950618 - 09/23/20 07:49 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Nice dude :smile:

Going to clone anything?


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We are successful!




:eek: Fantastic! You most be a very proud daddy :grin:
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    #26951815 - 09/23/20 08:32 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Certainly! Better to start from a clone now than a spore print. Oh yeah, just harvested another 5kg fresh today. All up the first flush produced 10 kg fresh. I had an even sexier looking tub today. Now preparing for further flushes. I did did heavy misting, will mist again before sleeping. I'll keep this thread updated on further flushing.


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    #26951922 - 09/23/20 09:44 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

10,000g wet?

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    #26951930 - 09/23/20 09:51 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Yes, 10,000 g wet. Because they matured at different weights I harvested about 2 kg on the first day, 3 kg on the second day and 5 kg today. This is the total first flush. Will report the dry weight once they are cracker dry. 10 Tubs, 6 90 quart tubs and 4 30 quart tubs (Plus a small tub that I experimented with , that only yielded 25 grams dry).


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    #26951933 - 09/23/20 09:53 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Nothing as sexy as your pictures A.K.A but thanks to you and others assistance I got to my goal. I am so thankful.


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    #26952004 - 09/23/20 10:59 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Bit of spore drop, but these things grow so damn fast. All the tubs ended up having a similar coverage. some tubs had some PHAT mushrooms. I'm amazed to be honest.



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    #26952441 - 09/24/20 09:50 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Keep it up bro. Good work. Our new batch of 1:5 tubs are colonizing super fast right now.

This is a PE spawned on sept 21 (an experimental tub with a slightly suspect spawn bag):

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Awesome! Looking forward to seeing it!


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    #26955142 - 09/25/20 09:34 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

This is day 3 (pic didnt upload previously):



Ill snap pics before i case with jiffy 50/50 in about 2 days. Day 5 today and its almost there :smile:


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Awesome!


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    #26969946 - 10/04/20 11:12 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Second flush came 1 week after the first, I estimate total from the 11 tubs was 7 kg fresh, so less than the 10 kg fresh from the first flush. All I did for this second flush was a heavy misting post first flush harvest. The second flush is all done and now seeing if I can get a third. Misted them heavily.


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    #26990853 - 10/17/20 11:42 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

By the 4th flush I was getting smaller numbers of mushrooms but larger individual mushrooms. The potency has been tested to be very good by numerous people, 1.5 g dried being enough for a solid entheogenic experience. By the the 4th flush contamination had set in, trich was found (and tubs tossed) but I am very happy with the total yield and the quality of my produce. I won't be growing for a few months and will decontaminate everything before the next grow with thymol/IPA. This time delay plus decontam should ensure paracitic molds like trich don't get a foothold in my growing area.

Hope everyone reading this thread gets the same success as I had. Thank you to all the members who encouraged and assisted me. I will be back to spread my new found wisdom.


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Great thread. Thanks for the updates. Our 1:5s are working well. I am happy the higher ratio


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