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1:5 spawn to substrate worked very well. Good yields for first time grower.
    #26918467 - 09/05/20 02:18 AM (1 month, 21 days ago)

Just wish to report to the forum as a new grower who has seen a lot of anxiety in other posters with regard to high substrate to spawn ratios (people are recommending at max 1:4) that so far, my 1:5 spawn to substrate is going quite nicely. I have numerous large tubs and all seem to be growing vigorously through the top layer of substrate (I layered 3 layers of bulk, spawn, bulk spawn, bulk, spawn, bulk. I went through all the tubs today about a week after spawn to bulk just to make sure the substrate surface was level and everything was still moist (monotubs) and every tub looked like this:



Smells earthy and delicious like wild mushrooms. Now I wish to solicit some advice from the pros here, how long off fruiting does this tub look? My estimate (probably wrong) is 3-4 more days before casing. My plan is to case it in peat/verm/coir/gypsum/limestone, wait a day, uncover the airholes and expose to tons of 6500 K light with a fan running in the room.

Suggestions?

Thanks shroomery for getting me so far. Hope to give back to the community


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Re: 1:5 spawn to substrate working well. [Re: mescalinechemist]
    #26918478 - 09/05/20 02:29 AM (1 month, 21 days ago)

Way not enough. You case at full colonization,
that will be more than 3-4 more days.

What species you want to grow?


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Re: 1:5 spawn to substrate working well. [Re: Goatrider]
    #26918482 - 09/05/20 02:31 AM (1 month, 21 days ago)

this is mazatapec cubensis. if I scratch below that top layer there is far more mycelium, the final layer of spawn was covered by an inch of bulk substrate.


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Re: 1:5 spawn to substrate working well. [Re: mescalinechemist] * 1
    #26918486 - 09/05/20 02:37 AM (1 month, 21 days ago)

Don`t disturb your myc with scratching :nono:

You can case if you want, but i really wouldn`t.
Cubes don`t need that.
You already have a top layer, just let them do.
Give some decent airflow and let it fruit, as it wants to.
Be careful with the fan, don`t point directly on the tub,
and just from far away.
A monotub doesn`t need to be fanned, it gets passive fae already,
but a well placed fan is never a bad idea, as long as you can keep
surface moisture on spot.


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Re: 1:5 spawn to substrate working well. [Re: Goatrider]
    #26918490 - 09/05/20 02:42 AM (1 month, 21 days ago)

I have a small experimental tub (as a first time grower) that I take more liberties on (for experience) It had the same appearance and I examined the soil beneath, remarkable growth . All my other tubs are unmolested and unscratched :wink: .

Have you ever cased? I have read a lot that cubes may benefit or may not benefit from a casing, would be curious about your opinion as an experienced grower.


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Re: 1:5 spawn to substrate working well. [Re: mescalinechemist]
    #26918491 - 09/05/20 02:44 AM (1 month, 21 days ago)

My idea for fruiting is simply to open the airholes, put micropore tape over them, flood the tubs with 6500 K light on a 12 on 12 off cycle, turn off all room heating (will drop room temp by 5 degrees), turn on the room fan and then just wait. Is this sufficient?


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Re: 1:5 spawn to substrate working well. [Re: mescalinechemist] * 1
    #26918498 - 09/05/20 02:56 AM (1 month, 21 days ago)

I`d only do the effort of a casing for PE, pans or other exotic species.
As long as you don`t want a nutritive casing,
grains are the food source for cube myc, so personally
i don`t see a benefit for cubes.

You don`t want stall air for colonization,
so i`d give some air flow from the start.
You may apply micropore tape now.
For your surface look here.

A little fanning as you have fruits doesn`t hurt, but as i said not directly on the tub,
and control the moisture content. You never want it getting dry just a single time.


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Re: 1:5 spawn to substrate working well. [Re: Goatrider]
    #26918501 - 09/05/20 02:58 AM (1 month, 21 days ago)

Wonderful, thank you very much. Advice is always appreciated especially at such a critical time in the grow cycle. Have a great day my friend!


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Re: 1:5 spawn to substrate working well. [Re: mescalinechemist]
    #26918519 - 09/05/20 03:20 AM (1 month, 21 days ago)

:highfive:


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Re: 1:5 spawn to substrate working well. [Re: Goatrider]
    #26918707 - 09/05/20 08:27 AM (1 month, 20 days ago)

Maz is really the only cube besides PE I’ve cased before. Specifically because mine have always grown super thin rhizo sticking up all over the surface. That type of growth is sensitive and my room is very dry so covering it up with casing helped.

Definitely not necessary though. Maz pins very quickly and easily so I’d guess you’ll see pins by a week from now.


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Re: 1:5 spawn to substrate working well. [Re: A.k.a]
    #26918723 - 09/05/20 08:49 AM (1 month, 20 days ago)

Fantastic! I might experiment with a casing, I have numerous tubs. I was thinking 1 part peat moss, 1 part vermiculite, 1 part hydrated coco coir, balanced with hydrated lime and limestone plus 10% gypsum.
I tried to make 50/50+ casing as a trial a few days ago but found it had a heavy clumpy texture. What sort of texture should a casing have? In my rookie mind I imagine something slightly more airy, hence my wish to include a bit of coco coir to the mix. Any suggestions are appreciated.


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Re: 1:5 spawn to substrate working well. [Re: mescalinechemist]
    #26918811 - 09/05/20 10:06 AM (1 month, 20 days ago)

Don’t add coir it’ll just counteract the peat in a way.

I like to use this with a little more verm mixed in


The texture completely depends on how fine the peat is. I like to remove or break up the clumps and sticks.


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Re: 1:5 spawn to substrate working well. [Re: A.k.a]
    #26918975 - 09/05/20 12:08 PM (1 month, 20 days ago)

Glad to see this. Next round experimenting with higher ratios. Going to 1:5 as well. Our 1:4 vs 1:2/1:3 colonized much faster and had zero contam issues.

It sounds counter-intuitive, but my understanding is you want the nute source to start depleting quickly after spawning to bulk in order to induce fruiting. This is a signal to procreate (fruit) as they think they are "dying" or loosing food source.

Too many grains will take longer and have more chances of contam issues. The benefit i guess would be more flushes with more grains?

We are also starting to case our tubs as well. This has fallen out of favor these days and, although considered unnecessary, I feel it is beneficial to keep surface conditions primed for pinning. Because casing is only a small extra step, the potential benefits to me are worth it.

I am still learning, so please correct me if i am wrong. Thanks.


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Re: 1:5 spawn to substrate working well. [Re: A.k.a]
    #26920122 - 09/05/20 10:28 PM (1 month, 20 days ago)

Good to know, thank you!


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Re: 1:5 spawn to substrate working well. [Re: maxmush]
    #26920126 - 09/05/20 10:31 PM (1 month, 20 days ago)

I would be interested in your further experimenting at higher bulk to spawn ratios.

For your interest, here is the same tub from the initial post, the next day about 20 hours later:



How's it looking?


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Re: 1:5 spawn to substrate working well. [Re: mescalinechemist]
    #26920303 - 09/06/20 01:20 AM (1 month, 20 days ago)

20 hours later and its looking great :smile: when i spawn to bulk with 1:2/1:3 it takes a full 2 weeks to colonize 100%. It looks like your about 75-80% already. Definitely faster. Total overall yield and how many flushes before contam or stalling out is what i am very interested in.

We will continue to manipulate the ratios and see what the limit would be until you get diminishing returns. I suspect 1:6 would be the optimal ratio.


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Re: 1:5 spawn to substrate working well. [Re: maxmush]
    #26920306 - 09/06/20 01:25 AM (1 month, 20 days ago)

I'll keep you guys fully updated. I have 11 tubs and all of them are about the same stage. This is 1 week in. I used 15L of composted manure/verm/coir/gypsum to 3 L of wheat (and some popcorn) spawn. This is my first grow, decided to go all out! It was spawned in layers and mixed a bit with about an inch of bulk on top



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Re: 1:5 spawn to substrate working well. [Re: maxmush]
    #26921934 - 09/06/20 10:23 PM (1 month, 19 days ago)

A further 20 hours later:



A close up:





Any of you know what phase this is. What are those fluffy mycelial structures?


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Re: 1:5 spawn to substrate working well. [Re: mescalinechemist]
    #26922039 - 09/06/20 11:20 PM (1 month, 19 days ago)

Is it more of a question nutrients for flushes or colonization speed when thinking about spwan ratio?


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Re: 1:5 spawn to substrate working well. [Re: polyflakes] * 1
    #26922413 - 09/07/20 06:47 AM (1 month, 18 days ago)

That’s the super fluffy rhizo I was talking about before. Typical for maz.


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