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OfflineKentheGromp
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Mushroom id
    #26918112 - 09/04/20 07:52 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Habitat.  Se Kansas Wood chips on a  dark trail  in a park. 
   


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Re: Mushroom id [Re: KentheGromp]
    #26918162 - 09/04/20 08:19 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Got a pic?


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Re: Mushroom id [Re: breeg89]
    #26918571 - 09/05/20 03:06 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Sorry about that


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Re: Mushroom id [Re: KentheGromp] * 1
    #26918972 - 09/05/20 10:05 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

You found those in Kansas?

Wait for a TI.  Somebody is going to be interested in those.


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Re: Mushroom id [Re: lowbrow]
    #26919097 - 09/05/20 11:28 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Can you post better pictures, maybe of the caps? The first photo is too shady to see any detail, and the second photo is too blurry to see any detail


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Re: Mushroom id [Re: Moria841]
    #26919260 - 09/05/20 12:58 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Looks like a woodloving psilocybe. Better pics and spore print would be nice to see.

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Re: Mushroom id [Re: breeg89]
    #26919393 - 09/05/20 01:48 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Is there any dung in the woodchips?  Almost look like Panaeolus cyanscens.
But definitely get better pics and spore prints.  Interesting find for sure


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Re: Mushroom id [Re: bloodycarcass]
    #26919773 - 09/05/20 05:31 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Unfortunately by the time I made it home they were bent dried out I laid them out for a Spore print One Drop of distilled water on the caps and after about 3 hours I had a very light Spore print dark gray almost black but that very subtle hint of rust color  but even the caps ended up bruising. I'll upload those pics tonight after  work


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Re: Mushroom id [Re: KentheGromp]
    #26919783 - 09/05/20 05:36 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Those look ALOT like panaeolus cyanescens.

I agree with bloody, was there any dung in those wood chips? If those aren't cyans I'd be really surprised. Also....have pan cyans been reported in KS?


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Re: Mushroom id [Re: MentalPariah]
    #26919992 - 09/05/20 07:08 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Yea those look to be an interesting Panaeolus.  Go back for some fresh ones in a few days and report back with some new photos.


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Re: Mushroom id [Re: KentheGromp]
    #26920049 - 09/05/20 07:31 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Unfortunately by the time I made it home they were bent dried out I laid them out for a Spore print One Drop of distilled water on the caps and after about 3 hours I had a very light Spore print dark gray almost black but that very subtle hint of rust color  but even the caps ended up bruising. I'll upload those pics tonight after  work





You need to let print atleast 12 hrs.  24hrs for a really good print


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Re: Mushroom id [Re: bloodycarcass]
    #26920110 - 09/05/20 08:12 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Those are really cool. Please document these warlocks via digital photography


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Re: Mushroom id [Re: doctorghosty]
    #26920125 - 09/05/20 08:29 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, these are some absolute sorcerers.


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Re: Mushroom id [Re: Moria841]
    #26920192 - 09/05/20 09:32 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

So to answer the dung question. There's a high probability that dung is mixed in with those wood chips. They  were deposited after flash flooding. The area is surrounded by farmland cattle grazing land at the very bottom of the hill is where these were found about a hundred and fifty yards away is  a highly fertilized ball field  the other direction further down the hill about 30 maybe 40 ft is the creek that was flooded what's runs through about cost of 30 miles of wild grazing land. However I did not notice any dung, they were not growing off cow patty or anyting I left several pins that it started and went back today to check on their progress and did not see any at all however it did get a lot hotter this morning and afternoon I will definitely check out the patch again tomorrow and after the next rains. 

Thank you guys for all your support and time I really do appreciate the kind and quick response I'll surely Bring the actual digital camera with me instead of this $30 4 megapixel smartphone just to make it a bit easier for you guys


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Re: Mushroom id [Re: KentheGromp] * 1
    #26920200 - 09/05/20 09:40 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

There's a good possibility it could be cyans but there's a good possibility of you discovering an unidentified species too! Take alot of in situ pics man! If you think you took too many....take some more. We'll all be here waiting to see what this becomes so pleeeaaaassseeee keep us updated dude!!!!

According to mushroom observer there's no currently documented finds of cyans in your area. Just wanted to add that :justdontknow:


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Re: Mushroom id [Re: MentalPariah]
    #26920467 - 09/06/20 04:32 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Hopefully Alan will chime in on these finds.  Definitely interested in seeing what these are.

Itd be a good idea to get some specimens dried, good spore prints, to send to someone who might be interested in scoping them out too.


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Re: Mushroom id [Re: bloodycarcass]
    #26921022 - 09/06/20 11:50 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah Ill definitely keep you informed I'm  intending on stopping by this late afternoon . Fall is in the air I'm a bit frustrated with the fact that I've found something interesting and not much time  left to explore . I don't think I've ever wished for rain before . ever. Now I can't wait
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Re: Mushroom id [Re: MentalPariah]
    #26921100 - 09/06/20 12:31 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

So does that mean  I should be  doubtful they are cyans? Or document them on mushroom observer as a possibility ?


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Re: Mushroom id [Re: KentheGromp]
    #26921108 - 09/06/20 12:38 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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So does that mean  I should be  doubtful they are cyans? Or document them on mushroom observer as a possibility ?



No, dont be doubtful.
Document them on M.O for sure. You may get a faster i.d on them.


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Re: Mushroom id [Re: bloodycarcass]
    #26921425 - 09/06/20 03:41 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

yeah definitely a good idea to post on MO. If cyans, it's interesting. If not cyans, it's interesting.


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Re: Mushroom id [Re: breeg89]
    #26921551 - 09/06/20 04:41 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I’ve been hunting for 10+ years and they’d leap to the front of my most interesting things ever found. Real fucking cool


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Re: Mushroom id [Re: bloodycarcass]
    #26921605 - 09/06/20 05:16 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Stopped by the patch. Just way too dry now 🙁 I saw this same patch a month AGo walked right by it noticed it but there were too many people with me that were in a hurry to stop if I had to estimate I would say there were probably a good 70 to 100. For now I've got to wait for more rain. How long would something like this specific mushrooms lifespan be from pin, to  mature ,  is it worth going and checking the patch first thing in the morning while there's still plenty of dew on the grass or should I wait a couple days and hope for rain?


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Re: Mushroom id [Re: KentheGromp]
    #26921746 - 09/06/20 06:41 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

wait a day or 2 and pray for rain.
Maybe send a PM to Allan and see if he would be interested in them or maybe give some insight on what they are. Just document as much as you can on them.


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Re: Mushroom id [Re: MentalPariah]
    #26922031 - 09/06/20 09:14 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

What makes this so interesting ?  It's not the first mushroom  I've  overlooked  of this type because alot of people have said  they don't grow in Kansas  what makes Kansas  have the  reputation of not having actives? Lack of documentation? Lack of research ?


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Re: Mushroom id [Re: MentalPariah]
    #26922220 - 09/06/20 11:25 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Please excuse my ignorance. Who is Allen?


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Re: Mushroom id [Re: KentheGromp]
    #26922256 - 09/07/20 12:12 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Please excuse my ignorance. Who is Allen?





Alan Rockefeller is an esteemed mycologist and a member here on shroomery.


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Re: Mushroom id [Re: KentheGromp]
    #26922360 - 09/07/20 03:41 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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What makes this so interesting ?  It's not the first mushroom  I've  overlooked  of this type because alot of people have said  they don't grow in Kansas  what makes Kansas  have the  reputation of not having actives? Lack of documentation? Lack of research ?




They are interesting because they are showing blue bruising very heavily. And the fact Pan. cyans havent been documented in your state. Or the fact it could be an undescribed spieces in the Psilocybe geneus. 
Its probably due to the lack of hunters and/or documentation of the spieces in the state


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Re: Mushroom id [Re: bloodycarcass]
    #26922420 - 09/07/20 04:54 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

This is one of the coolest things I’ve seen in a while. Commenting so I can keep track. I hope OP is able to find more specimens.


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Re: Mushroom id [Re: Only A Conduit]
    #26922456 - 09/07/20 05:50 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

This find is one hell of an anomaly.


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Re: Mushroom id [Re: lowbrow]
    #26922460 - 09/07/20 05:58 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

It definitely looks like a Panaeolus to me. Pan bisporus maybe?


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    #26923243 - 09/07/20 02:53 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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It definitely looks like a Panaeolus to me. Pan bisporus maybe?




Its possible, yes. Only way to distinguish beyween the 2 would be microscopic differences in the basidia is 2 spored in bisporus. Hints the name


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Re: Mushroom id [Re: bloodycarcass] * 1
    #26923247 - 09/07/20 02:56 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I am currently studying the Genus Panaeolus,  would you be willing to send me one or two for study? This is an interesting find for your location and should be documented.


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    #26923599 - 09/07/20 06:55 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

*HAPPY As Hell He Just Happened To Click on This Post*      :whoo:


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    #26923871 - 09/07/20 09:28 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Guys it occurs to me that  I studied habitats  familiarized myself with  enough features, to  look back on all the areas I've explored  in the past 2 or 3 years and tell you there are  definitely more . I do plan on getting these  dried  remains  into the right  hands  I'm open to any suggestions  on how to proceed .  I'll keep  wondering  all the  best habits I can find.  Maybe  science could have something to gain  or  least create more data  to  be studied.  Can someone give me a brief description of how the process would go so I can prepare myself accordingly and maybe not f*** this up


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Re: Mushroom id [Re: KentheGromp]
    #26939646 - 09/16/20 06:49 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

More from same patch


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Re: Mushroom id [Re: KentheGromp]
    #26939650 - 09/16/20 06:50 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Hell yeah they're back!!!


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Re: Mushroom id [Re: KentheGromp]
    #26939672 - 09/16/20 07:09 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Those caps have a banding design, that might rule out panaeolus cyanascens.


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    #26939838 - 09/16/20 09:51 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Those look a lot more like Pan Cincts now


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Re: Mushroom id [Re: Only A Conduit]
    #26939883 - 09/16/20 10:24 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Spore print  , the dark spot on the smaller cap is from the drop of water.


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Re: Mushroom id [Re: KentheGromp]
    #26939924 - 09/16/20 11:23 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I agree those look like Pan Cincts, the spores are so black.


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    #26939937 - 09/17/20 12:02 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I’m no Trusted Identifier, but I’d wager those to be Panaeolus cinctulus, or possibly Pan. bisporus


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    #26940040 - 09/17/20 02:22 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Those caps have a banding design, that might rule out panaeolus cyanascens.



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Re: Mushroom id [Re: Moria841]
    #26940896 - 09/17/20 03:12 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Same patch...two different fruit cycles why would the ring show more prominent in first pic ? Is it age


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    #26941073 - 09/17/20 05:19 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

The banding fades as they age.


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Re: Mushroom id [Re: lowbrow]
    #26953541 - 09/24/20 09:53 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

these little boogers popped up in my pan patch no clue what they are. It's been pretty dry really didn't expect anything to be there


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Re: Mushroom id [Re: KentheGromp]
    #26978678 - 10/10/20 03:15 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

The last pictures are of a different species--possibly Coprinellus.

But what of the original post? Is this no longer "interesting" due to the banding seen on later pics? The originals seemed to have excessive bluing on the caps for them to have been P. Cinctulus.

Just out of curiosity, did you try these out, Ken? Were they potent, as the orig bluing pics suggest?


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    #26979491 - 10/11/20 05:42 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

It’s the banding that makes them interesting.


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Update [Re: lowbrow]
    #27001073 - 10/24/20 10:24 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

So I was  exploring the immediate environment of the  patches found  earlier this summer..... Sclerotia?
I'm almost embarrassed to even post these terrible  photos.. sorry guys here is a post on mycotopia I found while researching  my quandry
https://mycotopia.net/topic/88988-cinctuluscapades/?fromsearch=1



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Re: Mushroom id [Re: fuktardles]
    #27001104 - 10/24/20 10:57 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

YES ! Did try them. The fruit. Not the second species of course. I chopped up 1. Gram Dried  saturated with  about 2 oz of lemon juice, strained into a  20 oz glass of  my wife's sweet tea.  Informed my wife of the experiment  about  to take place , and to my complete and utter amazement she asked if she could try it.  She drank about a quarter of it I finished the other roughly 3/4. WOW!  It came on in small  waves  feeling Identical to a panic attack.  But when I realized  I was feeling an effect from the concoction. A wave of  pure bliss overtook me  for the next 2 hours untill I realized I could fade in and out of some totally immersive  .. other  place at will. I had total control  rode that pony straight into the morning hours  had a cup of coffee,reflected, and continued on with my Sunday.  My wife.  Actually  experienced what she called a completely managable  threshold feeling with nice  visuals and tons of euphoria. This was my first ever experience.  I'm super greatfull to  have had this amazing experience. My wife and I have never had so much fun.  just  experiencing life for those 6 hours was life changing.


Edited by KentheGromp (10/24/20 11:00 AM)


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