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Leave the monotub lid latched?
#26917660 - 09/04/20 03:35 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Noob question (I really tried different combinations of search words) I made a tub from Spitball's tek. I have about 10 pins showing now. Should I have the lid tightly latched since I have 6 holes covered with micropore tape?
Tek: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20356759/fpart/1/vc/1
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Re: Leave the monotub lid latched? [Re: BmShroom]
#26917678 - 09/04/20 03:43 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Iโd gradually increase FAE by removing some MP tape from a couple of the holes. I donโt run monos so Iโm not exactly sure if removing the top or bottom MP tape coverings is best at first. Search around some more and maybe someone else will know.
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Re: Leave the monotub lid latched? [Re: MadHatter333]
#26917705 - 09/04/20 03:55 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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what does the tek say to do๐คท๐ผ or dont it?
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Re: Leave the monotub lid latched? [Re: jcm4620]
#26917729 - 09/04/20 04:09 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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jcm4620 said: what does the tek say to do๐คท๐ผ or dont it?
There's no mention of how the lid should be. Reason I went to drill holes is because I followed Bod's unmodified tub tek, it colonized just fine but now the pins are falling over. The lid was flipped over of course, no holes. Reading the forum the pins are falling over due to insufficient FAE. So I drilled holes and covered with MP tape and latched the lid. As I understand that is the way to go, but wasn't 100% sure.
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Re: Leave the monotub lid latched? [Re: BmShroom]
#26917754 - 09/04/20 04:23 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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well again id say u need to post pics cuz bods unmodded tubs work just fine i have several of them and ive never had an issue. so im guessing u didnt follow the tek to a T then. but take some pics and post them so we can actually make sure its healthy in the first place cuz lack of fae in that tub isnt an issue at all if u follow the tek. there ahould be plenty of fae there with that lid flipped the way it says to do so
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Re: Leave the monotub lid latched? [Re: jcm4620]
#26917920 - 09/04/20 06:09 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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jcm4620 said: well again id say u need to post pics cuz bods unmodded tubs work just fine i have several of them and ive never had an issue. so im guessing u didnt follow the tek to a T then. but take some pics and post them so we can actually make sure its healthy in the first place cuz lack of fae in that tub isnt an issue at all if u follow the tek. there ahould be plenty of fae there with that lid flipped the way it says to do so
Here they are. Blueish is obviously because of drying out for some reason. May be sub wasn't wet enough in that area. You can also see pins curving. I barely had any metabolites, which was good.
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Re: Leave the monotub lid latched? [Re: BmShroom]
#26917942 - 09/04/20 06:26 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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This will give you a good idea when and how to increase FAE gradually. Your surface is looking a bit matted. Did you mist to heavy or mist at all yet? You want little beads of moisture on the surface so light misting over the top is best if you donโt have droplets. Also you need to give the surface time to evaporate in between misting. Looks like you got knots though so thatโs something.
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Re: Leave the monotub lid latched? [Re: jcm4620]
#26917948 - 09/04/20 06:29 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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With the lids upside down, did it make an air gap at just the latches or all around the tub? If you weren't getting enough FAE you could have just offset the lid a bit to increase the FAE.
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Re: Leave the monotub lid latched? [Re: Doctor Mario]
#26918019 - 09/04/20 07:02 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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ok well lets just pretend for a second that that all is fine and your claim was that your fruits were falling over due to lack of fae. but u claim its blue cuz its dry. do you see the conflicting information there? if it got dry u had more fae than u should have. know what i mean. but that dont look 100% colonized to me and it looks as if its trying to throw up fruits in a race to reproduce b4 it loses the fight.
can u take clearer pics it looks like i see a few different colors in there but its not clear and it looks as if its more or less top myc and not a completely colonized block. just looks off. u have knots and should get at least a few fruits so im not sayim junk it yet or anything but more clear pics would really make it easier to c
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Re: Leave the monotub lid latched? [Re: MadHatter333]
#26918103 - 09/04/20 07:45 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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MadHatter333 said: This will give you a good idea when and how to increase FAE gradually. Your surface is looking a bit matted. Did you mist to heavy or mist at all yet? You want little beads of moisture on the surface so light misting over the top is best if you donโt have droplets. Also you need to give the surface time to evaporate in between misting. Looks like you got knots though so thatโs something.
I barely had to mist most of the tub. Water beads were on the whole time... Except that light brown patch in the corner. It just wouldn't stay moist. So are you saying I need to leave the lid off to let it all evaporate? And mist after? I thought it needs 90% RH AND FAE at the same time. That's why I latched the lid and made holes. But yes may be you can't see water beads but there are definitely there.
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Re: Leave the monotub lid latched? [Re: Doctor Mario]
#26918104 - 09/04/20 07:46 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Doctor Mario said: With the lids upside down, did it make an air gap at just the latches or all around the tub? If you weren't getting enough FAE you could have just offset the lid a bit to increase the FAE.
It made a gap all the way around during colonization.
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Re: Leave the monotub lid latched? [Re: jcm4620]
#26918118 - 09/04/20 07:55 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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jcm4620 said: ok well lets just pretend for a second that that all is fine and your claim was that your fruits were falling over due to lack of fae. but u claim its blue cuz its dry. do you see the conflicting information there? if it got dry u had more fae than u should have. know what i mean. but that dont look 100% colonized to me and it looks as if its trying to throw up fruits in a race to reproduce b4 it loses the fight.
can u take clearer pics it looks like i see a few different colors in there but its not clear and it looks as if its more or less top myc and not a completely colonized block. just looks off. u have knots and should get at least a few fruits so im not sayim junk it yet or anything but more clear pics would really make it easier to c
I see what you mean about dry patch and me saying "there's not enough FAE". But it was just one patch in the corner. The rest had water beads on the whole time. Sooo I don't know what to make of it.
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Re: Leave the monotub lid latched? [Re: BmShroom]
#26918843 - 09/05/20 08:44 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Lol no matter what I do - the beads of water won't go away. I just fanned, flipped the lid and I still have holes in the tub for increased airflow.
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Re: Leave the monotub lid latched? [Re: BmShroom]
#26918891 - 09/05/20 09:13 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Just be patient and let it evaporate by itself. Next time add a 1/4 inch top layer at spawn to cover your grains.
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Re: Leave the monotub lid latched? [Re: MadHatter333]
#26918980 - 09/05/20 10:12 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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MadHatter333 said: Just be patient and let it evaporate by itself. Next time add a 1/4 inch top layer at spawn to cover your grains.
Well, I was following Bod's Tek where he doesn't cover his grains. Should I cover with coir or verm?
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Re: Leave the monotub lid latched? [Re: MadHatter333]
#26918990 - 09/05/20 10:17 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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MadHatter333 said: Just be patient and let it evaporate by itself. Next time add a 1/4 inch top layer at spawn to cover your grains.
I just don't want them pins to abort! 
Why are they curving back?
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Re: Leave the monotub lid latched? [Re: BmShroom]
#26918991 - 09/05/20 10:17 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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coir and verm same as the sub๐
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Re: Leave the monotub lid latched? [Re: jcm4620]
#26919584 - 09/05/20 03:28 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Not sure what you mean by โcurving backโ but itโs always good to cover your grains and tamp down your edges tight. Post more pics as they progress so we can critique you. Donโt add the layer now because itโs already colonized, just remember for next time.
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Re: Leave the monotub lid latched? [Re: MadHatter333]
#26922660 - 09/07/20 08:52 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Not sure what you mean by โcurving backโ but itโs always good to cover your grains and tamp down your edges tight. Post more pics as they progress so we can critique you. Donโt add the layer now because itโs already colonized, just remember for next time.
More pics. I had the lid on. I see that FAE is happening, looking at moisture patterned below top holes. But some are almost falling down and some are curved back into the ground.
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Re: Leave the monotub lid latched? [Re: BmShroom]
#26922677 - 09/07/20 09:08 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Looks like your surface got matted to me. Did you mist to heavy and then it dried out? When you mist do you just do a light misting over the top and let it fall on your surface? Are the shrooms still growing or did they stall?
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Re: Leave the monotub lid latched? [Re: MadHatter333]
#26923891 - 09/07/20 09:38 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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MadHatter333 said: Looks like your surface got matted to me. Did you mist to heavy and then it dried out? When you mist do you just do a light misting over the top and let it fall on your surface? Are the shrooms still growing or did they stall?
I haven't been misting. I Only mist the corner that doesn't stay wet. All other surface stays covered in beads without me having to mist. They are still growing.
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Re: Leave the monotub lid latched? [Re: BmShroom]
#26923936 - 09/07/20 10:24 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Should be fine than. Just keep doing what youโre doing. Mushrooms will grow how they please based on genetics and conditions of your tub. Think youโre on the right track
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Re: Leave the monotub lid latched? [Re: MadHatter333]
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MadHatter333 said: Should be fine than. Just keep doing what youโre doing. Mushrooms will grow how they please based on genetics and conditions of your tub. Think youโre on the right track
What I don't get is why some of them are curving back onto themselves and also not growing straight up but parallel to the substrate.
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Re: Leave the monotub lid latched? [Re: BmShroom]
#26924194 - 09/08/20 06:57 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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That sub looks funny to me. On the pics of the sides you can see how to myc didnโt jump off the grains very well, which usually happens with bacterial spawn. And that corner is bruising but maybe not from drying out, there might be something nasty taking shape there.
That could explain the unhappy looking mushrooms but maybe it is an air thing idk. People seem to do okay with unmodified tubs though and my shoe boxes work okay even with the lids latched.
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Re: Leave the monotub lid latched? [Re: BmShroom]
#26924198 - 09/08/20 07:04 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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MadHatter333 said: Just be patient and let it evaporate by itself. Next time add a 1/4 inch top layer at spawn to cover your grains.
Well, I was following Bod's Tek where he doesn't cover his grains. Should I cover with coir or verm?
We all have our ways of doing things. Only, some ppls ways work a lot better than other ppls ways. 
I recommend using some substrate to case your grains.
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Re: Leave the monotub lid latched? [Re: LotKid]
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ya for sure top layer is always a must for me also
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Roger Clemency said: That sub looks funny to me. On the pics of the sides you can see how to myc didnโt jump off the grains very well, which usually happens with bacterial spawn. And that corner is bruising but maybe not from drying out, there might be something nasty taking shape there.
That could explain the unhappy looking mushrooms but maybe it is an air thing idk. People seem to do okay with unmodified tubs though and my shoe boxes work okay even with the lids latched.
What would the side of the tub look like when myc has no issues with "jumping off"? Do you have a pic to share?
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Re: Leave the monotub lid latched? [Re: BmShroom]
#26926016 - 09/09/20 09:52 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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is there any difference in meaning and use of:
"top layer" and "casing layer"
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In my experience shrooms that grow long and skinny are stretching for air.
On my monotubs I use one layer of MP tape on the bottom 4 holes and none on the top 2.
It seems to be working well so far.
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Re: Leave the monotub lid latched? [Re: BLINKfan420]
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I donโt have many side pics I realized but this is a good one 
Itโs the even whitening all around that I like to see.
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Roger Clemency said: I donโt have many side pics I realized but this is a good one 
Itโs the even whitening all around that I like to see.
Yea here is the bottom of the tub. Doesn't look as white, but not too bad? Also I didn't have any metabolites show up, as I have before. I thought those definitely would show if myc was battling bacteria.
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smalltalk_canceled said: is there any difference in meaning and use of:
"top layer" and "casing layer"
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Re: Leave the monotub lid latched? [Re: LotKid]
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Aww shit. Now a days it does seem as if theyโre totally interchangeable. Back in my day a top layer was when you added a layer of your same bulk sub on top at spawning. A casing is when you use a different material (usually peat based) and apply around 80-100%
I guess it still matters in a way because I think all tubs should have a top layer, but you donโt necessarily need to case. You donโt need the top layer either but it makes me feel grossed out when I see exposed grains. Not from a contaminant standpoint it just seems to make a less than ideal fruiting surface and doesnโt look good.
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Top layer is casing. Doesnt matter if you use "sub" or prep a casing of a different material. It's still doing the same job.
I wont speak for everyone but.... casing gets me much better pinsets.
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Re: Leave the monotub lid latched? [Re: LotKid]
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I agree. Ran my first shoeboxes without a top layer and mostly got side pins and sad top fruits. After I started using 1/4inch top layers at spawn I was getting wall to wall shoeboxes. Wish we could change BODโs mind on them for his mono tub Tek so noobs donโt get the wrong idea about top layers. Who knows though? To each their own
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2 guys disagree in the house of shroom; now to determinate who is the rightest the experienced guys clap their hands while the new blood pummel each other on the anus cutting each other bloody tiger stripes with their custom fitted scalpel blades,
its doom; its the 90s its deathmatch last man standing all over again
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Okay. You hear that noobs?! Get to pummeling each other in the anus!
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LotKid said: Okay. You here that noobs?! Get to pummeling each other in the anus! 
I've been to prison. I know how to party.
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So have I, unfortunelty.
Not sure what that has to do with partying, tho.

Way better parties on the outside.
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Re: Leave the monotub lid latched? [Re: LotKid]
#26929663 - 09/11/20 09:57 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Depends what kind of parties you like I suppose. I prefer them on the outside myself.
Small talk ..you craze.
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So it was some old and weak spawn unfortunately. Only got about 1 oz dry on my first flush and fruits aren't all that 'healthy' looking. Small and just okay. Dunking it now for second flush. Plus it was only 4 jars per 635 g block of coir.
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Re: Leave the monotub lid latched? [Re: BmShroom]
#26942733 - 09/18/20 04:04 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I just put new spawn into a coir tub yesterday. Lid is latched and all holes are covered with clear tape. I think the lid is pretty tight on there and I hope I can keep it that way, because I'm currently getting rid of gnats in the room. I really don't think much air can get through the seal between the lid and tub. Are there any signs of condensation or anything like that that I should be looking for of GE was good or bad? Are there any signs of bad GE that I could even see at this stage? Would too much CO2 be bad, as well?
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