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Just came back from a not great trip.
#26916770 - 09/04/20 04:29 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Actually it started fine. In fact I had a great day doing some late celebrating of my birthday a few days ago. The day involved eating some fresh shrooms and plenty of thc.
I mis-dosed something. I had had some edibles since Tuesday that seemed pretty weak to me.
But for a couple hours I was in pretty bad shape. Just a ton of confusion and trying to figure things out. Some trying to sleep and failing and going in to cold sweats. People texting me. I should have turned the damn phone off. Probably the computer too.
I feel almost embarrassed about it honestly. Where do you think I went wrong, or went the most wrong? The edibles? The inexperience with dosing fresh shrooms? (That's the one I'm leaning towards) Or environment, ie clutter and the mistake of not turning off my phone when I needed peace?
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Re: Just came back from a not great trip. [Re: NPKush]
#26916774 - 09/04/20 04:37 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I am thinking it probably was from the edibles, especially when they're decent. Just mushrooms, even at high doses shouldn't cause confusions etc. but being stoned while tripping can.
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Re: Just came back from a not great trip. [Re: MindMeower]
#26916780 - 09/04/20 04:45 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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MindMeower said: I am thinking it probably was from the edibles, especially when they're decent. Just mushrooms, even at high doses shouldn't cause confusions etc. but being stoned while tripping can.
That is making sense to me right now. Because that was my first really bad experience with mushrooms. So the fact that it's the only time I ever mixed them with edibles is likely more than coincidence.
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Re: Just came back from a not great trip. [Re: NPKush]
#26916789 - 09/04/20 04:58 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks btw. Everything is fine now, but I guess I'm asking for the sake of my friends who I was going to share/give the rest of the edibles to later today. They're all excited about them. I ate some Tuesday night and thought they were pretty weak edibles.
I guess I posted because a part of me is wondering if I should advise them to use extreme caution with the edibles, especially as some of them may be drinking. Or if my bad experience with the edibles was only because I mixed them with shrooms and vice versa.
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#26916793 - 09/04/20 05:06 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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the dream of psychedelic bliss the reality of too much resonance and reverb.
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Re: Just came back from a not great trip. [Re: redgreenvines]
#26916798 - 09/04/20 05:11 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I keep thinking of other factors. Like the fact that I've been on antibiotics for a tooth infection for 6 days now.
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Re: Just came back from a not great trip. [Re: NPKush]
#26916800 - 09/04/20 05:11 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Mixing substances isn't always a good idea, some times you get away with it other times it'll trigger a bad trip or other negative adverse issues.
Having said that large doses of shrooms can definitely trigger confusion, I've seen full on amnesia for close to 3hrs- having the same conversation with the person over and over on a loop every 2 minutes until the peak wore off. I have also seen plenty of people take slightly to much shrooms and end up temporarily confused. This effect could easily be compounded with the addition of THC.
Are you on any other medication that might have interacted?
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Re: Just came back from a not great trip. [Re: Tripliping]
#26916807 - 09/04/20 05:20 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Tripliping said: Mixing substances isn't always a good idea, some times you get away with it other times it'll trigger a bad trip or other negative adverse issues.
Having said that large doses of shrooms can definitely trigger confusion, I've seen full on amnesia for close to 3hrs- having the same conversation with the person over and over on a loop every 2 minutes until the peak wore off. I have also seen plenty of people take slightly to much shrooms and end up temporarily confused. This effect could easily be compounded with the addition of THC.
Are you on any other medication that might have interacted?
I'm on anti-depressants and have been on the antibiotics for nearly a week now
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Re: Just came back from a not great trip. [Re: redgreenvines]
#26916811 - 09/04/20 05:28 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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redgreenvines said: the dream of psychedelic bliss the reality of too much resonance and reverb.
lots to learn about dosing, mind set, and setting. at each fail you learn something new
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Re: Just came back from a not great trip. [Re: NPKush]
#26916816 - 09/04/20 05:37 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Antidepressants is the worst mix with psychedelics. SSRI's and SNRI's can dampen certain effects and trigger more adverse effects/ bad trips. MAOI antidepressants can amplify trips and trigger serious side effects (even serotonin syndrome in rare instances). You should read into it. The weird thing is it can affect trips even up to 6 months after you have ceased using them. I've seen this with a number of people.
But funnily enough (as I'm sure you have read into it) shrooms can help people get off antidepressants too, micro dosing can be a good substitute as you wean yourself off antidepressants and trips can reinforce a healthier mindset.
An antibiotic would unlikely have any effect.
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Re: Just came back from a not great trip. [Re: Tripliping]
#26916907 - 09/04/20 07:36 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I tripped yesterday and have also been on an antibiotic for almost 2 weeks now for a jaw/upper tooth area infection. Had a bone graft done on it and it’s healing now (operation was 4 days ago) . The trip went perfectly, beyond my wildest dreams. The energy from everywhere infused body & mind and when it ended it’s trip through me - left me recharged and that was very healing in itself. So I don’t think it was the antibiotic or whatever. Likely set & setting / lack of appropriate level of inter-regulation.
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Re: Just came back from a not great trip. [Re: The Blind Ass]
#26917154 - 09/04/20 10:07 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Mushrooms even without taking a high dose can cause confusion. Or at least it can seem like confusion, functional things that you normally don’t labor over can seem hard.
One time on a low dose I got dropped off a few blocks from my house in the city, I’ve lived in the neighborhood for 10 years so I’m very familiar with it yet suddenly I was lost I walked to the nearest corner and the street sign meant nothing too me, all I could do was laugh because of the preposterous notion. I had to walk home by landmarks and topography the part of my brain that correlated street names with a mental map was not accessible.
The point is I try and remind myself not to get concerned with confusion and just let the trip play out (easier said than done especially if you start to freak out and things go bad)
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Re: Just came back from a not great trip. [Re: CHUCK.HNTR]
#26917159 - 09/04/20 10:14 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I enjoy a few 100mg of thc for a trip. I haven't noticed anymore confusion or whatever with thc or with out. The whole thing is mind boggling to begin with. The trips are wild and definitely not for those who find anxiety in being completely alone.
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Re: Just came back from a not great trip. [Re: NPKush]
#26917222 - 09/04/20 10:50 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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NPKush said: Thanks btw. Everything is fine now, but I guess I'm asking for the sake of my friends who I was going to share/give the rest of the edibles to later today. They're all excited about them. I ate some Tuesday night and thought they were pretty weak edibles.
I guess I posted because a part of me is wondering if I should advise them to use extreme caution with the edibles, especially as some of them may be drinking. Or if my bad experience with the edibles was only because I mixed them with shrooms and vice versa.
That.
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Re: Just came back from a not great trip. [Re: Tripliping]
#26917436 - 09/04/20 01:14 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I've been microdosing for a while. I noticed a lot of benefits for the first couple of months. I've been enjoying a nice trip about once a month too, but those were all dried shrooms which I know how to dose.
Anyway, I can see how the micro-dosing would be helpful with quitting other things, especially the anti-depressants. But I just couldn't do it. Getting off anti-depressants makes me suicidal, but being on them does NOTHING. Getting involved with psychiatrists is a lose-lose situation in my opinion. I wish I never would have done it.
Anyway, in the future I'm just going to have to be extra careful with dosage and setting. I may also stick to smoking flower instead of edibles as smoking is just what I'm used to and comfortable with.
Thanks everyone for the replies. I'm sure some of you can relate to trying to piece things together after a less-than optimal experience.
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Re: Just came back from a not great trip. [Re: NPKush]
#26917832 - 09/04/20 05:12 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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It would likely make you feel suicidal especially if you quit cold turkey, you have to wean yourself off on lower and lower doses it can take 12 months to safely come of them depending on dose and how long you have been on them. Its possible but unfortunately the doctors don't tell you the extent of how bad that shit is for you especially long term. People become very addicted/ dependent on it that getting off them is so disruptive to the brain the side effects can be terrible. I've read studies comparing it to quitting heroin. People get what they call 'brain zaps', hot and cold sweats, brain fog, mood swings, suicidal, outbursts, shakes all kinds of shit. Antidepressants should always be a short term bandaid fix long term it can really mess with your head and make you dependent without knowing it. It can take years to get serotonin levels etc back to functioning normally.
But I've known people to use shrooms and defeat conditions from depression all the way to borderline personality disorder (who are now medication free). But you need to wean off antidepressants and after you get off them then substitute with microdosing for a little while (obviously a trip here and there will also be beneficial). For the people I've seen do it it's not always easy but they are completely different people for the better and not slaves to prescription medication.
I'm not telling you what to do or anything just giving you some information that you might what to look into. It would change the nature of the trips for the better too.
I would still urge you to read up on antidepressant medication and it's interactions with psychedelics.
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Re: Just came back from a not great trip. [Re: Tripliping]
#26917841 - 09/04/20 05:17 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Just came back from a not great trip. [Re: redgreenvines]
#26918130 - 09/04/20 08:00 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I always smoke flower before eating shrooms and then after the come up. Last weekend I had some fairly strong edibles at a family BBQ and decided to make some shroom tea when I got home. I only had 2g but it definitely wasn't like a normal laid back low dose for me and just caused a ton of anxiety and paranoia. From that experience I'd definitely agree it was most likely the edibles.
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Re: Just came back from a not great trip. [Re: Tripliping]
#26918546 - 09/05/20 02:08 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah, I've been dealing with psychiatrists for many years and I know how it goes. I used to quit things like psych meds and alcohol (used to be a problem for me) cold turkey and not have problems. Until one day I had major problems from alcohol withdrawal. I'm 4 years sober, largely replaced alcohol with cannabis. But ever since then it's like my brain chemistry changed and I'm more susceptible to withdrawing from meds.
Anyway, I've been micro-dosing since Spring and it has been an up and down experience. I did try to cut back on one of my 2 anti-depressants and the results were bad. Quitting tobacco and anti-depressants, safely, is a major goal for me. I'm going to keep working on it, carefully.
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Re: Just came back from a not great trip. [Re: redgreenvines]
#26918550 - 09/05/20 02:09 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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It does indeed. However, I may have learned some things from this experience. I think I always do. I may have had negativity in my mind, or some that got triggered, related to some major changes I need to make in life.
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Yeah. I feel it was definitely a factor. I have limited experience with edibles, and also with fresh non-dried shrooms. It was probably a mistake for me personally to mix them.
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Re: Just came back from a not great trip. [Re: NPKush]
#26918632 - 09/05/20 04:42 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Look at it this way, now you have more experience! I think it's important that if you have a less than desirable experience, you try to understand why it happened. Learn from it and you'll have better luck next time
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#26919136 - 09/05/20 11:56 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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IME, never mix psychedelics and weed, especially without a tolerance. I've gotten away with it before, and had incredibly, "ungodly high" moments as I like to call them, but, I've also been incredibly confused at times, and even once it triggered panic when I was more new to psychedelics. It's just a no-go for me anymore.
In-fact, I've had instances where I smoke right after a trip (technically still coming down) and I got extremely confused and questioned my whole trip which was a quite beautiful trip. Not fun. Not again.
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