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Re: Suspect who shot Trump supporter in Portland shot dead by police. [Re: lowbrow]
#26917422 - 09/04/20 01:07 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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lowbrow said: You’ve done no research into this case at all.
The kid was asked by the owner to run security.
Plastic bag guy(Rosenbaum) assaulted him after chasing him down. Probably because he was helping put out fires(pure conjecture on my part). No murder what so ever.
The rioters were trying to kill him, not disarm him. In fact one of the rioters attacking him had a gun in the hand he was shot in.
What kind of special individuals attack a guy with a gun?
So where was his license to work as an armed security guard in that state? Or do we agree that he was a vigilante?
Where was his free pass to break the open-carry under 18 law? Or do we agree that he is a criminal?
Where is the proof that the guy who threw a plastic bag at him was putting his life in such danger that deadly force was warranted?
Why is the rioter deemed to be an attacker by coming at him with a gun, but you don't deem him an attacker when he's reported to have pointed his gun at people earlier in the night, and had just murdered someone?
Aren't right wingers all for people having guns so that they can take down active shooters like Rittenhouse?
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Re: Suspect who shot Trump supporter in Portland shot dead by police. [Re: feevers]
#26917431 - 09/04/20 01:12 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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feevers said:
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lowbrow said: You’ve done no research into this case at all.
The kid was asked by the owner to run security.
Plastic bag guy(Rosenbaum) assaulted him after chasing him down. Probably because he was helping put out fires(pure conjecture on my part). No murder what so ever.
The rioters were trying to kill him, not disarm him. In fact one of the rioters attacking him had a gun in the hand he was shot in.
What kind of special individuals attack a guy with a gun?
So where was his license to work as an armed security guard in that state? Or do we agree that he was a vigilante?
Where was his free pass to break the open-carry under 18 law? Or do we agree that he is a criminal?
Where is the proof that the guy who threw a plastic bag at him was putting his life in such danger that deadly force was warranted?
Why is the rioter deemed to be an attacker by coming at him with a gun, but you don't deem him an attacker when he's reported to have pointed his gun at people earlier in the night, and had just murdered someone?
Aren't right wingers all for people having guns so that they can take down active shooters like Rittenhouse?
Dude its right there in the documents, that the guy tried to grab for his gun and then he shot him 4 times. Go on ahead and read for yourself, obviously watching it on video just wasn't enough for you.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1m9sDjYr1Nj_fpFr9bTycWPG8tS2aPDeL/view?fbclid=IwAR3VgSJyMbqjUuMQ6pE_RffmF-gd2qkE6UVWRnXFx97BgDltIYEuJMchHsY
"McGinnis stated that the first round went into the ground and when the second shot went off, the defendant actually had the gun aimed at Rosenbaum. McGinnis stated he did not hear the two exchange any words. McGinnis said that the unarmed guy (Rosenbaum) was trying to get the defendant’s gun. McGinnis demonstrated by extending both of his hands in a quick grabbing motion and did that as a visual on how Rosenbaum tried to reach for the defendant’s gun. Detective Cepress indicates that he asked McGinnis if Rosenbaum had his hands on the gun when the defendant shot. McGinnis said that he definitely made a motion that he was trying to grab the barrel of the gun. McGinnis stated that the defendant pulled it away and then raised it. McGinnis stated that right as they came together, the defendant fired. McGinnis said that when Rosenbaum was shot, he had leaned in (towards the defendant)."
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Re: Suspect who shot Trump supporter in Portland shot dead by police. [Re: budmanman] 2
#26917473 - 09/04/20 01:32 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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And was that gun ever aimed at him? In that case it's literally no different than grabbing a knife someone has to your throat, one finger twitch and you'd be dead.
Either way, good luck to a defense attorney arguing that a "motion" to disarm someone of the weapon they were carrying illegally, and are said to have been pointing at others earlier in the night, was worthy of deadly force.
Kid wanted to play superman, now he'll get to play someone's wife in jail. Looks like his family will be millionaires though.
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Re: Suspect who shot Trump supporter in Portland shot dead by police. [Re: feevers]
#26917498 - 09/04/20 01:43 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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If you're chasing after someone trying to attack them and you wind up with a knife at your throat that is your own fault.
You don't have to just let people attack you lol
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Re: Suspect who shot Trump supporter in Portland shot dead by police. [Re: budmanman]
#26917501 - 09/04/20 01:44 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Suspect who shot Trump supporter in Portland shot dead by police. [Re: Dark_Star]
#26917512 - 09/04/20 01:52 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Dark_Star said: I saw the video, not clearly self-defense. Kid was being chased by a another kid with a skateboard & some others trying to detain him, fell, and chose to shoot. He’s a fucking pussy. Kid chose to go to another state & parade around with a gun like some wannabe Chuck Norris. As for the law & order bullshit he missed the memo that it’s a misdemeanor in Wisconsin for someone under 18 to go armed with a deadly weapon. He was also breaking the curfew just as the protesters were.
How is it not clear self-defense? The kid was running away from a mob. If they didn't chase him, nobody else gets shot. The mob didn't need to "detain" him. That's not their job, and do you think that's all they would have done if they managed to get a hold of him? Have you seen what happened in Portland when a mob detained someone?
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Re: Suspect who shot Trump supporter in Portland shot dead by police. [Re: feevers]
#26917518 - 09/04/20 01:54 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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He wasn’t a vigilante because he was offering security with the owner’s consent.
Whether he was breaking the open carry law is subject to debate.
Can somebody explain how you throw a plastic bag? The law of physics doesn’t allow it.
Rosenbaum was actively participating in a riot and is therefore a hostile.
The rioter/fake medic is considered an attacker because he is persueing AND attacking.
Calling Rittenhouse an active shooter is an act of disinformation.
Especially considering he attempted to surrender and was in the act of surrendering(supposedly) when he was attacked.
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Re: Suspect who shot Trump supporter in Portland shot dead by police. [Re: feevers]
#26917520 - 09/04/20 01:55 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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feevers said: If a black guy ran around a trump rally parking lot with an assault rifle and then shot people because he thought he was going to get beat up I'm sure you'd be saying the same thing
But he never had an assault rifle. He first got attacked because he put out a dumpster fire that Antifa/blm were pushing towards a gas station. This pissed them off and they started chasing and attacking him while one person fired as he had his back turned. Then, the only people he shot were ones attacking him, he ignored the people who were about to attack once they backed away. You can say he messed up by being there with the rifle but if his intent was killing people, he could have killed many more,and he wouldn't have been running away before he shot anyone. And I don't know why "black man" is even a factor in your hypothetical, all the people involved were white lol. There were also multiple witnesses saying it was clearly self defense.
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Re: Suspect who shot Trump supporter in Portland shot dead by police. [Re: Eminence]
#26917528 - 09/04/20 02:01 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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A black liberal with a gun at a Trump rally just walking around would probably be welcomed and he'd see that maybe they're not so bad and probably join their rally anyway lol.
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Re: Suspect who shot Trump supporter in Portland shot dead by police. [Re: budmanman]
#26917530 - 09/04/20 02:03 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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And it isn't even hypothetical its literally happened.
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Re: Suspect who shot Trump supporter in Portland shot dead by police. [Re: budmanman] 1
#26917540 - 09/04/20 02:14 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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budmanman said: And it isn't even hypothetical its literally happened.

Hi.
That picture is from a pro-gun rally in virginia in january 2020
See for yourself
And why should a black proponent of responsible firearms ownership not be welcome at a pro-gun rally?
Hes not "a black liberal with a gun at a trump rally" its a pro gunner at a pro gun rally.
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Re: Suspect who shot Trump supporter in Portland shot dead by police. [Re: Asante]
#26917545 - 09/04/20 02:16 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yes it sure was, right at the same time at the same place as a Trump rally.
I didn't hear any Trumpets being upset a black guy with a gun was near them.
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Re: Suspect who shot Trump supporter in Portland shot dead by police. [Re: budmanman]
#26917546 - 09/04/20 02:17 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Suspect who shot Trump supporter in Portland shot dead by police. [Re: budmanman]
#26917555 - 09/04/20 02:23 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Suspect who shot Trump supporter in Portland shot dead by police. [Re: budmanman]
#26917558 - 09/04/20 02:25 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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You all might want to consider that just because someone supports Trump doesn't mean they're against black people, or racist lol.
Like there are a lot of black Trump supporters.
You got caught up in a narrative, sure there are gonna be racist Trump supporters, there are also racist Democrat supporters.
The media controls the narrative.
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Re: Suspect who shot Trump supporter in Portland shot dead by police. [Re: budmanman] 1
#26917561 - 09/04/20 02:30 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Rosenbaum was actively participating in a riot and is therefore a hostile.
So was Rittenhouse
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Re: Suspect who shot Trump supporter in Portland shot dead by police. [Re: koods]
#26917599 - 09/04/20 02:49 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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He was present during the rioting, he wasn't participating. He was the one putting out fires, not starting them. You could say he was breaking curfew but not rioting.
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Re: Suspect who shot Trump supporter in Portland shot dead by police. [Re: Eminence]
#26917628 - 09/04/20 03:09 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I don't even know if it's accurate to say he was breaking curfew, given that he was protecting property at the request of the business owners. I don't know much about the law though, so maybe that means you need to be indoors. Not sure. Either way, natural law trumps the laws of men.
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Re: Suspect who shot Trump supporter in Portland shot dead by police. [Re: blewmeanie]
#26917857 - 09/04/20 05:30 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Dark_Star said: I saw the video, not clearly self-defense. Kid was being chased by a another kid with a skateboard & some others trying to detain him, fell, and chose to shoot. He’s a fucking pussy. Kid chose to go to another state & parade around with a gun like some wannabe Chuck Norris. As for the law & order bullshit he missed the memo that it’s a misdemeanor in Wisconsin for someone under 18 to go armed with a deadly weapon. He was also breaking the curfew just as the protesters were.
He was already in WI working as a lifeguard that day. The rifle was always in WI as well. But he was gonna get stomped not detained, and the guy who had his bicep shot was in the middle of pulling his pistol too, and apparently expressed regret that he didn't kill him from a distance instead of running up to him. I've been in plenty of fist fights growing up where I did and have no problem either taking or giving an ass beating if it can avoid any deadly weapons. But who knows what will happen when you got multiple people with a mob mentality coming at you.
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Re: Suspect who shot Trump supporter in Portland shot dead by police. [Re: budmanman] 2
#26917869 - 09/04/20 05:43 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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He didn't "go to another state" as in traveling to some place he has no connection to. It was 15 minutes away, and his family lives there. He was guarding the place AT THE REQUEST OF THE BUSINESS OWNER.
It's 16 and up to carry a rifle or shotgun. The 18 yo limit is for handguns.
Not only did he not do anything wrong, it was fucking admirable. He won't be convicted of anything, and I hope he sues the shit out of every media company that called him a terrorist and a mass shooter.
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